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AuH2O
06-09-2010, 08:26 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'm opposed to the CRA, the Fair Housing Act, Restaurant Smoking bans and the like. But shouldn't we stick to taxes, spending, ObamaCare and Cap-and-Trade in order to get Rand elected? I don't even want to hear him talking about the Fed or Foreign Policy, frankly. Let him get into office and be a good vote for our issues rather than forcing the electorate to vet every single one of the liberty movements more "fringe," and often politically untenable positions.

It was good for Ron to raise awareness for libertarian philosophy because the nomination was unwinnable. Let's stick to the greatest hits with Rand and skip over the "kookier" B-Sides. He'd have to really stumble to lose this, but it were ever to happen, it wouldn't be over Obamacare and federal deficits.

ItsTime
06-09-2010, 08:28 AM
It is time to win. It is time to focus on issues that our candidates agree with the avg American. And there are many of those.

constituent
06-09-2010, 08:34 AM
It was good for Ron to raise awareness for libertarian philosophy because the nomination was unwinnable. Let's stick to the greatest hits with Rand and skip over the "kookier" B-Sides. He'd have to really stumble to lose this, but it were ever to happen, it wouldn't be over Obamacare and federal deficits.

I disagree with the overall sentiment, but the last sentence is spot on. :p :)

Romulus
06-09-2010, 08:48 AM
co-signed to the OP.

Slutter McGee
06-09-2010, 08:56 AM
NOOOOOOO. Purity of libertarian thought before all else.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

AuH2O
06-09-2010, 09:09 AM
NOOOOOOO. Purity of libertarian thought before all else.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

I assume you are being sarcastic, but in case not: I am not encouraging Rand to soften or moderate his libertarian positions, but merely to not run on the more "extreme" of them. This race should be repealing Obamacare, not returning to the Gold Standard.

Slutter McGee
06-09-2010, 09:18 AM
I assume you are being sarcastic, but in case not: I am not encouraging Rand to soften or moderate his libertarian positions, but merely to not run on the more "extreme" of them. This race should be repealing Obamacare, not returning to the Gold Standard.

Sorry. Yes. I was being sarcastic. Purity is great in the educational arena. Not in the political one.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

DeadheadForPaul
06-09-2010, 09:35 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'm opposed to the CRA, the Fair Housing Act, Restaurant Smoking bans and the like. But shouldn't we stick to taxes, spending, ObamaCare and Cap-and-Trade in order to get Rand elected? I don't even want to hear him talking about the Fed or Foreign Policy, frankly. Let him get into office and be a good vote for our issues rather than forcing the electorate to vet every single one of the liberty movements more "fringe," and often politically untenable positions.

It was good for Ron to raise awareness for libertarian philosophy because the nomination was unwinnable. Let's stick to the greatest hits with Rand and skip over the "kookier" B-Sides. He'd have to really stumble to lose this, but it were ever to happen, it wouldn't be over Obamacare and federal deficits.

100% on board

Most politicians win elections on 2 or 3 issues.

Why should our liberty candidates be debating 50+ issues?

The more issues you talk about, the more likely a voter will find something not to like about you

They may agree with you 90% but then they hear 1 thing they don't like and you just lost their vote to the other candidate that isn't campaigning on anything

Galileo Galilei
06-09-2010, 09:44 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'm opposed to the CRA, the Fair Housing Act, Restaurant Smoking bans and the like. But shouldn't we stick to taxes, spending, ObamaCare and Cap-and-Trade in order to get Rand elected? I don't even want to hear him talking about the Fed or Foreign Policy, frankly. Let him get into office and be a good vote for our issues rather than forcing the electorate to vet every single one of the liberty movements more "fringe," and often politically untenable positions.

It was good for Ron to raise awareness for libertarian philosophy because the nomination was unwinnable. Let's stick to the greatest hits with Rand and skip over the "kookier" B-Sides. He'd have to really stumble to lose this, but it were ever to happen, it wouldn't be over Obamacare and federal deficits.

Educational candidates who can't win are better off running in the Libertarian Party. Because if they run as republicans they create the illusion that republicans stand for liberty, and hence, more neocons and rhinos win.

K466
06-09-2010, 10:35 AM
I partially disagree, he should talk about the fed at least some.

AuH2O
06-09-2010, 11:16 AM
I partially disagree, he should talk about the fed at least some.

Explain why.

constituent
06-09-2010, 11:18 AM
Educational candidates who can't win are better off running in the Libertarian Party. Because if they run as republicans they create the illusion that republicans stand for liberty, and hence, more neocons and rhinos win.

winna! :D

AuH2O
06-09-2010, 12:44 PM
Educational candidates who can't win are better off running in the Libertarian Party. Because if they run as republicans they create the illusion that republicans stand for liberty, and hence, more neocons and rhinos win.

I reject this hypothesis, citing Ron Paul 2008. Do you think he would have reached 10% of the people he did running on that ticket? Would our movement be anywhere near as large? Would RPFs even exist??

Mort
06-09-2010, 12:52 PM
Actually, I think the media debate about possible flaws in the Civil Rights Act was almost a victory in itself. I think you may agree many people are probably thinking about it more critically than before. Had Rand not brought this up the interesting debate would have never happened.

LibertyEagle
06-09-2010, 01:12 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm opposed to the CRA, the Fair Housing Act, Restaurant Smoking bans and the like. But shouldn't we stick to taxes, spending, ObamaCare and Cap-and-Trade in order to get Rand elected? I don't even want to hear him talking about the Fed or Foreign Policy, frankly. Let him get into office and be a good vote for our issues rather than forcing the electorate to vet every single one of the liberty movements more "fringe," and often politically untenable positions.

It was good for Ron to raise awareness for libertarian philosophy because the nomination was unwinnable. Let's stick to the greatest hits with Rand and skip over the "kookier" B-Sides. He'd have to really stumble to lose this, but it were ever to happen, it wouldn't be over Obamacare and federal deficits.

Good points. Thank you for saying this.

Bama Boy
06-09-2010, 11:03 PM
Excellent post. You may consider tweeting this to the campaign chairman.

BarryDonegan
06-11-2010, 08:25 PM
The socialists and fascists didn't gain control by detailing the grand virtues of planned farms or forced sterilization. They just showed a way to address each problem which created more government control. A successful libertarian legislator should start off by addressing each new problem with a libertarian answer, a reduction in government. When public sentiment comes against a department of government, champion its repeal. In the meantime, scour the news and congressional reports for negative news about other departments. Take that bad news out on the campaign trail and start a buzz. rinse. repeat.

...but offering up solutions to nonexistant problems... past issues that have been resolved... or other such intellectual theory that has no true relevance to public policy is advisable in a pragmatic political sense. However, those legislators should then surround themselves with people who do say such things quite frequently.

RileyE104
06-11-2010, 10:33 PM
Explain why.

Why not? The FED is a big factor in why we are where we are... What's so wrong in taking a position on it? He doesn't have to come straight out and say "I want to END the FED!", but he can at least address the issue of Monetary Policy..

ljwestmcsd
06-12-2010, 06:36 AM
Why not? The FED is a big factor in why we are where we are... What's so wrong in taking a position on it? He doesn't have to come straight out and say "I want to END the FED!", but he can at least address the issue of Monetary Policy..

... but only to the extent regarding how his views will make life better for the average person than Jack Conway's will. That's what people really care about.