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Brett

06-07-2010, 09:40 PM

GLENN BECK IS A TRUE ENEMY OF LIBERTY ATTEMPTING TO CENSOR THE MAINSTREAM OF VOICES SUCH AS NAPOLITANO AND THOMAS WOODS.

Oh, wait.

Looking forward to this interview.

MichelleHeart

06-07-2010, 09:42 PM

Lol, Brett. :D

Depressed Liberator

06-07-2010, 10:20 PM

Brett and MichelleHeart, maybe you two should go mate and create more neoconservative offspring. I mean, you two sure do love that dumb ass, Beck.

low preference guy

06-07-2010, 10:21 PM

Brett and MichelleHeart, maybe you two should go mate and create more neoconservative offspring. I mean, you two sure do love that dumb ass, Beck.

bitter.

Depressed Liberator

06-07-2010, 10:32 PM

bitter.

Bitter, freedom loving dude, yeah. You need to invite Stary or whatever that person's name is, John Taylor, The Patriot, and a few of the others here and have a neocon party. Maybe never get out, either.

Brett

06-07-2010, 10:34 PM

Brett and MichelleHeart, maybe you two should go mate and create more neoconservative offspring. I mean, you two sure do love that dumb ass, Beck.

By overusing the word neocon you dilute it's meaning. Congratulations.

If you want Thomas Woods to continue writing books that only we buy, and continue writing articles for Lew Rockwell's website that only we read, that's fine. I'd rather him go be on an interview in front of 3 million people and have him defend the ideas of true liberty.

Maybe Beck will do another set up like he did with Medina right :rolleyes:

low preference guy

06-07-2010, 10:55 PM

Bitter, freedom loving dude, yeah. You need to invite Stary or whatever that person's name is, John Taylor, The Patriot, and a few of the others here and have a neocon party. Maybe never get out, either.

calling you out for being bitter doesn't make me a neocon. i didn't pay attention to see that you admit it in the first word of your handle.

Depressed Liberator

06-07-2010, 11:05 PM

Beck is an asshole, a dumb ass, a fat ass, hateful, neoconservative, douche bag idiot. If you enjoy him, that's fine. It just makes you like him.

low preference guy

06-07-2010, 11:09 PM

Beck is an asshole, a dumb ass, a fat ass, hateful, neoconservative, douche bag idiot. If you enjoy him, that's fine. It just makes you like him.

i dislike beck. funny how you love making up stuff. why don't take some pills to take care of your acknowledged depression?

JamesButabi

06-07-2010, 11:10 PM

I assume this will be a plug on his new book. I m curious to see how Beck treats my favorite senior fellow writer!

Brett

06-07-2010, 11:18 PM

Beck is an asshole, a dumb ass, a fat ass, hateful, neoconservative, douche bag idiot. If you enjoy him, that's fine. It just makes you like him.

Guilt by association?

C'mon, judge the individual here. Be a libertarian if you hate neocons so much

Depressed Liberator

06-08-2010, 12:17 AM

Guilt by association?

C'mon, judge the individual here. Be a libertarian if you hate neocons so much

If you watch him (and defend his despicable self as much as you do), that means you support what he says. Therefore, you are what he is.

BlackTerrel

06-08-2010, 12:57 AM

Beck is an asshole, a dumb ass, a fat ass, hateful, neoconservative, douche bag idiot. If you enjoy him, that's fine. It just makes you like him.

Calm down. You don't like him change the channel.

There is no need to be so angry and it reflects poorly.

JohnEngland

06-08-2010, 01:02 AM

So will he be on Beck TV or radio?

JK/SEA

06-08-2010, 01:04 AM

Tom Woods eh?...wow...maybe Beck found out how much we don't like him so now he's decided to see it our way...

lol.

JohnEngland

06-08-2010, 02:23 AM

Tom Woods eh?...wow...maybe Beck found out how much we don't like him so now he's decided to see it our way...

lol.

Well, Beck has had Tom Woods on before and promoted his book, Meltdown...

emazur

06-08-2010, 02:26 AM

Well, Beck has had Tom Woods on before and promoted his book, Meltdown...

He's been doing vidoes that recently appeared on Beck's premium member only site as well

BlackTerrel

06-08-2010, 03:43 AM

Well, Beck has had Tom Woods on before and promoted his book, Meltdown...

Wait. Is it possible that Beck is a human being and agrees with us on some issues and disagrees with us on others?

"No way Beck is the anti-Christ. He eats kittens for breakfast and has sex with sheep"

I gotta think that there is a middle ground. Cursing to hell everyone who rubs you the wrong way is no way to go through life. It also isn't smart politics.

JohnEngland

06-08-2010, 04:02 AM

Ok, just watched Beck's Monday show. So Tom Woods will be a TV. Great! Talking about the road to serfdom etc.

Hopefully Hayek's book will become another Amazon bestseller :D

Ricky201

06-08-2010, 04:57 AM

Wait. Is it possible that Beck is a human being and agrees with us on some issues and disagrees with us on others?

"No way Beck is the anti-Christ. He eats kittens for breakfast and has sex with sheep"

I gotta think that there is a middle ground. Cursing to hell everyone who rubs you the wrong way is no way to go through life. It also isn't smart politics.

How many times do I have to correct you people...he eats babies. And apparently endorses NAFTA superhighway friendly candidates.

Austrian Econ Disciple

06-08-2010, 05:05 AM

Ricky201

06-08-2010, 05:08 AM

While its nice Hayek is getting some mentions, what irks me is the almost total absence of any talk of Ludwig von Mises. More than that, I'd faint if I ever heard Frederic Bastiats name ever mentioned on any MSM. Anyways, looking forward to seeing the Woods appearance, even though I dislike Beck, quite a bit.

Have you since this yet? Buchanan and Paul briefly mention Rothbard. I thought it was kinda cute.

YouTube - Ron Paul Reacts to Bernanke as Time Person of the Year ~ Morning Joe 12-16-09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9xRjBb61hc)

Brett

06-08-2010, 02:27 PM

If you watch him (and defend his despicable self as much as you do), that means you support what he says. Therefore, you are what he is.

I watch him when someone good is going to be on and listen to his weekend program on Sunday until Mike Church comes on.

Defending someone does not mean I support what he says. Free speech for all, not just the people you agree with. I support his right to say whatever the hell he wants without being completely trashed and disrespected by people who don't even understand what he's saying and make vast generalizations because of a instinctive hatred for anything mainstream.

Stary Hickory

06-08-2010, 02:53 PM

While its nice Hayek is getting some mentions, what irks me is the almost total absence of any talk of Ludwig von Mises. More than that, I'd faint if I ever heard Frederic Bastiats name ever mentioned on any MSM. Anyways, looking forward to seeing the Woods appearance, even though I dislike Beck, quite a bit.

Mises never gets mentioned. Hayek won the nobel prize and was accepted more mainstream. I value Mises more than Hayek, although both were brilliant. Bastiat was good, he did some good in France, not enough to save it from a socialist hell hole, but he tried. He at least destroyed protectionism for a time.

MRoCkEd

06-08-2010, 03:02 PM

on now

haaaylee

06-08-2010, 03:33 PM

apparently the book is already up 138% and @ #18 on Amazon's "movers and shakers"

purplechoe

06-08-2010, 03:59 PM

GLENN BECK IS A TRUE ENEMY OF LIBERTY ATTEMPTING TO CENSOR THE MAINSTREAM OF VOICES SUCH AS NAPOLITANO AND THOMAS WOODS.

Oh, wait.

Looking forward to this interview.

Oh look, another sheep!!!

BlackTerrel

06-08-2010, 04:27 PM

apparently the book is already up 138% and @ #18 on Amazon's "movers and shakers"

Gee I wonder why Tom Woods would go on a show that gets millions of millions and listeners and gets his book to more than double in sales.

Slutter McGee

06-08-2010, 05:17 PM

Gee I wonder why Tom Woods would go on a show that gets millions of millions and listeners and gets his book to more than double in sales.

Capitalism is evil. Remember.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

emazur

06-08-2010, 07:10 PM

Mises never gets mentioned. Hayek won the nobel prize and was accepted more mainstream. I value Mises more than Hayek, although both were brilliant. Bastiat was good, he did some good in France, not enough to save it from a socialist hell hole, but he tried. He at least destroyed protectionism for a time.

Mises was briefly mentioned today on Beck - the guest said Hayek's mentor was Mises

Vessol

06-08-2010, 07:27 PM

torchbearer

06-08-2010, 07:29 PM

So I'm thinking of getting Tom Woods new book. It will be either that or Atlas Shrugged plus Road to Serfdom. I know I know, I should've read these before, but they are both on sale now so I figure nows the time.

i think people make a mistake of reading Atlas Shrugged before reading the Virtue of Selfishness.
The Virtue of Selfishness should be a prerequisite to all other Rand books.

Vessol

06-08-2010, 08:06 PM

i think people make a mistake of reading Atlas Shrugged before reading the Virtue of Selfishness.
The Virtue of Selfishness should be a prerequisite to all other Rand books.

Hmm, 7.99 on Amazon. Alright.

Do you recommend I read Fountainhead before or after Atlas Shrugged? I know it's the other big Rand book.

Cowlesy

06-08-2010, 08:06 PM

Tom Woods did an outstanding job, as did Yuri Maltsev.

A big thanks to both for representing Freedom so well today.

Koz

06-08-2010, 08:08 PM

http://www.watchglennbeck.com/

Good interview with Tom Woods

low preference guy

06-08-2010, 08:12 PM

i think people make a mistake of reading Atlas Shrugged before reading the Virtue of Selfishness.
The Virtue of Selfishness should be a prerequisite to all other Rand books.

Disagree. Just start with either the Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged. If you want a novel related to politics, read Atlas. If you want a novel more focused on the individual, read the Fountainhead.

My personal opinion is that the Fountainhead is more of a pleasant read but Atlas Shrugged is more enlightening.

If you want to understand the ethics or the philosophy behind the characters, I don't recommend The Virtue of Selfishness. I recommend Viable Values (http://www.amazon.com/Viable-Values-Study-Reward-Morality/dp/0847697614)by Tara Smith.

Vessol

06-08-2010, 08:15 PM

I'm already kind of dubious on Objectisim, but I feel I at least owe myself to read Rand.

torchbearer

06-08-2010, 08:21 PM

Disagree. Just start with either the Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged. If you want a novel related to politics, read Atlas. If you want a novel more focused on the individual, read the Fountainhead.

My personal opinion is that the Fountainhead is more of a pleasant read but Atlas Shrugged is more enlightening.

If you want to understand the ethics or the philosophy behind the characters, I don't recommend The Virtue of Selfishness. I recommend Viable Values (http://www.amazon.com/Viable-Values-Study-Reward-Morality/dp/0847697614)by Tara Smith.

The Virtue of Selfishness explains the philosophy without metaphor. It explains it plainly without interpretation.
All the other books are metaphorical to the philosophy explained in the Virtue of Selfishness, thus, you can read Atlas Shrugged first and not get the philosophy behind it. But if you read the plain philosophy, then read atlas shrugged, you will reinforce the philosophy.

low preference guy

06-08-2010, 08:24 PM

The Virtue of Selfishness explains the philosophy without metaphor. It explains it plainly without interpretation.
All the other books are metaphorical to the philosophy explained in the Virtue of Selfishness, thus, you can read Atlas Shrugged first and not get the philosophy behind it. But if you read the plain philosophy, then read atlas shrugged, you will reinforce the philosophy.

I read both Viable Values and the Virtue of Selfishness, and concluded that Viable value explains Objectivist Ethics better. Have you read Viable Values?

speciallyblend

06-08-2010, 08:36 PM

beck needs to keep kissing some liberty azz and toss some salad. he has along way to go to gain back any credibility!!

emazur

06-08-2010, 10:17 PM

Hmm, 7.99 on Amazon. Alright.

Do you recommend I read Fountainhead before or after Atlas Shrugged? I know it's the other big Rand book.

Fountainhead should be saved til after Atlas. It takes a lot longer to get the pot boiling in The Fountainhead (and the oven shuts itself off 3 times and you have to turn it back on), so if it was your first Rand book you likely wouldn't have a great impression. Atlas will make you want to read everything she's done

chadhb

06-08-2010, 10:26 PM

WTF ban these Neo-Cons, they screwed this country up enough, now we have to read their stupid propaganda here. Go live in Isreal if you love it so much.

MichelleHeart

06-08-2010, 10:29 PM

WTF ban these Neo-Cons, they screwed this country up enough, now we have to read their stupid propaganda here. Go live in Isreal if you love it so much.

...

Austrian Econ Disciple

06-09-2010, 02:32 AM

low preference guy

06-09-2010, 03:01 AM

Why do people like Rand so much? I never understood this. Put down Rand, and pick up Paterson, and Lane. We would all be in a better position today, if it was either Paterson or Lane to have become the main woman figurehead for libertarianism today.

Can you be more specific in your critique of Rand? Which books of hers have you read and what are your specific criticisms?

low preference guy

06-09-2010, 03:03 AM

Why do people like Rand so much? I never understood this. Put down Rand, and pick up Paterson, and Lane. We would all be in a better position today, if it was either Paterson or Lane to have become the main woman figurehead for libertarianism today.

Paterson? Many people will not accept religious justifications for libertarianism.

axiomata

06-09-2010, 03:16 AM

There are three main justifications for libertarianism:

1) Consequentialist - utility based
2) Deontological - natural law / NAP
3) Ethical egoism - Rand's Objectivism
4) Biblical

There is also the "concordist" view that combines 2) and 4) which I happen to hold. Consequentialisism is useful but IMO libertarianism is not right because it is useful, it is useful because it is right. Therefore I don't have a problem with using consequentialist defenses to buttress my concordist arguments. I reject ethical egoism on its face. It is biblically immoral and is not something to build a society on. The fact that Objectivism is an acceptable formulation for a libertarian to take is based on the fact that it conveniently largely follows the NAP.

qwerty

06-09-2010, 03:27 AM

Woods should run for office!

He is SO GREAT EVERYTIME!

:cool:

Austrian Econ Disciple

06-09-2010, 03:56 AM

Can you be more specific in your critique of Rand? Which books of hers have you read and what are your specific criticisms?

I've read Atlas Shrugged. It was a good book, but not nearly as good as what Paterson, and Lane did. Moreover, I dislike her egoist ethics. She couldn't distinguish between pure selfishness, and self-interest. She also was a bitter vindictive person, who hated libertarians, and believed she was the originator of the ideas she espoused (Markets, etc.). She also had no problem with a lot of central planning (She was an ardent foreign interventionist). Compare her to someone like Paterson who said this:

A tax-supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state.

No law can give power to private persons; every law transfers power from private persons to government.

An army is a diversion of energy from the productive life of a nation.