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purplechoe
06-04-2010, 04:27 PM
YouTube - Helen Thomas tells Jews to go back to Germany (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQcQdWBqt14)

YouTube - If ANY Other Nation Had Done This We'd Be Up In Arms! Helen Thomas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTmZV8hGZXY)

dannno
06-04-2010, 04:29 PM
That's actually not a bad idea. I mean, that's where many of them came from, and Hitler has been dead for at least 50 years... I mean, I wouldn't force them to move back, but I would hope Germany would have an understanding policy for Jewish people who were forced to emigrate during the Holocaust.. Maybe they can just take back in whoever wanted to come from Israel.

purplechoe
06-04-2010, 04:34 PM
Savage almost had a meltdown about it on his show today... but then again, he's the type that likes to hang around in lodges, so...

DAFTEK
06-04-2010, 04:38 PM
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DAFTEK
06-04-2010, 04:41 PM
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purplechoe
06-04-2010, 04:43 PM
Many Jews still live in Germany just fine.

They do have a central banking system, don't they?

:p

dannno
06-04-2010, 04:43 PM
Many Jews still live in Germany just fine.

Ya of course they do.. question is if a couple million wanted to immigrate there tomorrow, what would Germany say?

DAFTEK
06-04-2010, 04:48 PM
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Flash
06-04-2010, 04:54 PM
I don't think Israelis/Jews should move out of the region. They should be able to live wherever they want. Similar to how White-Americans should be able to stay in America. All the Israelis need to do is treat the Palestinians fairly and adopt some more Libertarian principles.

DAFTEK
06-04-2010, 05:06 PM
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dannno
06-04-2010, 05:06 PM
I don't think Israelis/Jews should move out of the region.

Why not? I'm not saying force them to..


They should be able to live wherever they want.

If I lived in Israel, and were Jewish, I would prefer to live in Germany I think.




Similar to how White-Americans should be able to stay in America. All the Israelis need to do is treat the Palestinians fairly and adopt some more Libertarian principles.

Certainly viable if the Israeli govt. will let them..

DAFTEK
06-04-2010, 05:07 PM
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Flash
06-04-2010, 05:13 PM
Why not? I'm not saying force them to..

If I lived in Israel, and were Jewish, I would prefer to live in Germany I think.

Certainly viable if the Israeli govt. will let them..

This was a reply to Helen Thomas.

purplechoe
06-04-2010, 05:14 PM
YouTube - If ANY Other Nation Had Done This We'd Be Up In Arms! Helen Thomas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTmZV8hGZXY)

TheFlashlight.org
06-04-2010, 05:20 PM
Terrible idea.

paulitics
06-04-2010, 05:21 PM
How about letting them live somewhere here, New Mexico perhaps?

TheFlashlight.org
06-04-2010, 05:21 PM
How about letting them live somewhere here, New Mexico perhaps?

How about South Africa?

libertythor
06-04-2010, 05:28 PM
Now you all see why the US ought to neither be pro- nor anti- Israel? If we take either side, the US loses.

Just stay out of it is my motto.

purplechoe
06-04-2010, 05:29 PM
How about South Africa?

Lets send all the Zionists/ Neocons/ Socialists up to Alaska along with Palin...

http://mikepiperreport.com/Articles_Archive/AmericanFreePress/AFP2008_07-12/Art/AFP_20081103.p16__Sarah_Palin_and_William_Kristol. jpg

http://mikepiperreport.com/Articles_Archive/AmericanFreePress/AFP2008_07-12/Art/AFP_20081103.p17_Sarah_Palin.525x304.jpeg.jpg

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/4000/neoconservatives22il.jpg

furface
06-04-2010, 05:29 PM
I don't think Israelis/Jews should move out of the region. They should be able to live wherever they want. Similar to how White-Americans should be able to stay in America. All the Israelis need to do is treat the Palestinians fairly and adopt some more Libertarian principles.

An inappropriate analogy. The time for forgiving aggressive interactions with indigenous people had long passed as of 1948. Palestine absolutely belongs to Palestinians, and it is up to them and them alone to decide whether or not illegal Zionist immigrants should stay. A more appropriate analogy would be whether or not the US wants to allow illegal Mexican immigrants to stay in America.

Flash
06-04-2010, 05:38 PM
An inappropriate analogy. The time for forgiving aggressive interactions with indigenous people had long passed as of 1948. Palestine absolutely belongs to Palestinians, and it is up to them and them alone to decide whether or not illegal Zionist immigrants should stay. A more appropriate analogy would be whether or not the US wants to allow illegal Mexican immigrants to stay in America.

If a Palestinian sells his home to a Jew, then does that house belong to the Palestinian people or the Jew that bought the house? Should the state intervene and exile the Zionist Jew from his property? Jews will never leave Israel, what they need to do is reform their Fascist-esque government.

furface
06-04-2010, 05:48 PM
If a Palestinian sells his home to a Jew, then does that house belong to the Palestinian people or the Jew that bought the house? Should the state intervene and exile the Zionist Jew from his property? Jews will never leave Israel, what they need to do is reform their Fascist-esque government.

If an American sells his home to a Mexican, then does that house belong to the American people or the Mexican that bought the house? Should the state intervene and exile the Mexican from his property? Mexicans will never leave America.

Flash
06-04-2010, 05:51 PM
If an American sells his home to a Mexican, then does that house belong to the American people or the Mexican that bought the house? Should the state intervene and exile the Mexican from his property? Mexicans will never leave American, what they need to do is reform their Fascist-esque government.

It belongs to the Mexican. I'm for open borders, but I understand the system we have set up is bound to be abused. Plus I think if Israel allowed for free trade and free movement of people then the situation would be better for everyone. See here (http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/06/03/what_exactly_is_the_blockade_of_gaza).

V-rod
06-04-2010, 05:51 PM
If an American sells his home to a Mexican, then does that house belong to the American people or the Mexican that bought the house? Should the state intervene and exile the Mexican from his property? Mexicans will never leave American, what they need to do is reform their Fascist-esque government.

Many illegals rather live and work in this "fascist" country than Mexico.

furface
06-04-2010, 05:57 PM
It belongs to the Mexican. I'm for open borders, but I understand the system we have set up is bound to be abused. Plus I think if Israel allowed for free trade and free movement of people then the situation would be better for everyone. See here (http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/06/03/what_exactly_is_the_blockade_of_gaza).

I understand what you're saying. The problem can easily be fixed by Israel changing its policies. I just have a problem with the "America screwed Indians, therefore Israel can screw Palestinians" argument. It's wrong in so many ways, and since we essentially agree with what needs to be done, I don't want to haggle over it any further.

The Patriot
06-04-2010, 05:58 PM
You think if a reporter told the Mexicans to go back to Mexico(unfortunately America is looking more like Mexico everyday) that they would still have their White House Press Pass? They would have it revoked and Rachel Maddow would do a week expose on the reporter's racist past.

furface
06-04-2010, 06:01 PM
You think if a reporter told the Mexicans to go back to Mexico(unfortunately America is looking more like Mexico everyday) that they would still have their White House Press Pass?

Get serious. Nobody would give a shit.

http://www.helenthomas.org/

The Patriot
06-04-2010, 06:04 PM
Get serious. Nobody would give a shit.

http://www.helenthomas.org/

Oh yes they would, the multicult media would throw a fit, and we would see the race pimp Al Sharpton and some La Raza reps make the rounds on late night news. Olberman would do one of his 10 minute diatribes on the evil racist conservative movement and how they are closet klansman who don't want brown people in their country:rolleyes:

Toureg89
06-04-2010, 06:12 PM
I don't think Israelis/Jews should move out of the region. They should be able to live wherever they want. Similar to how White-Americans should be able to stay in America. All the Israelis need to do is treat the Palestinians fairly and adopt some more Libertarian principles.
agreed 100%.

furface
06-04-2010, 06:53 PM
Oh yes they would, the multicult media would throw a fit, and we would see the race pimp Al Sharpton and some La Raza reps make the rounds on late night news. Olberman would do one of his 10 minute diatribes on the evil racist conservative movement and how they are closet klansman who don't want brown people in their country:rolleyes:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=deport+illegals

Liberty Star
06-04-2010, 06:59 PM
what are these settlers doing on stolen occupied land in first place? it creates all sorts of costly oil and crazy airport wait lines problems throughout US and Europe on top of needless wars.

If they are still being abused by their neighbors in brooklyn, poland and other places, their neigbors should be given training classes on treating them as equal but there is no excuse for them to go steal someone elses land in the name of violent holy wars.

furface
06-04-2010, 07:06 PM
what are these settlers doing on stolen occupied land in first place?

The nagging question about Israel's existence that simply won't go away. Ask it and expect anything from State and Media sponsored humiliation to outright imprisonment depending on where you live in the "civilized world." This is not an issue of a fight over land. This is an issue of a battle for the very foundations of logic and rationality. If the Zionists win it, it will be proof positive that logic for humanity is determined by the State and the Media, not by natural or fundamental laws.

The Patriot
06-04-2010, 07:18 PM
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=deport+illegals

We aren't talking about deporting illegals, we are talkiing about throwing out all Mexicans. But most of the mainstream media is for Amnesty and paints the anti illegal immigration movement in a bad light.

furface
06-04-2010, 07:27 PM
We aren't talking about deporting illegals, we are talkiing about throwing out all Mexicans. But most of the mainstream media is for Amnesty and paints the anti illegal immigration movement in a bad light.

You have a very strange conception of "we" when it was I who made the first statement. If you look more closely at the thread, I believe it is clear, although perhaps a bit convoluted. My position is that Israeli Jews are predominantly illegal aliens in Palestine. In a purely ethical and legalistic sense, they're much closer to illegal Mexican immigrants in America than they are to Americans. That's my position just so you know, but I really don't have the energy to argue about it right now.

tjeffersonsghost
06-04-2010, 07:43 PM
Kinda reminds me of what the Europeans did when they landed here in the late 1400s. The natives here helped to keep the Europeans alive through some tough winters only to later have their land forcefully taken. The natives are all on reservations now. I'm not justifying what is going on in Israel I'm just pointing out that we have been there and done that.

Me personally? Im not "pro" Israel at all. I think the Jews should choose whatever they want to do over there. I think we need to stay completely out of it. Whatever choices they make they need to understand they are on their own similar to how our people were all alone here in a sea of savages. Our people didnt have the backing like we back the Israelis today. We had to get along with the natives here, that is until we had the sufficient population and weapons to clear the natives out and slowly push them west.

If we announced we were dropping all support of Israel I have a feeling you would see peace in the ME the next day. Its amazing how you try to get along when surrounded in a sea of natives and no one there to support you.

cindy25
06-04-2010, 08:19 PM
could Israel survive as an independent country ? one not dependent on US aid.

james1906
06-04-2010, 08:36 PM
Kick everyone out and only let gays move in. Turn every sacred site into a bondage club (Church of the Holy Sodomer, Dome of the Cock). Then nobody wins. Except the gays. Good for them.

Jace
06-05-2010, 12:53 AM
Hey, Israel isn't the only Jewish homeland in the world.

The Jews could leave Palestine and move to the Jewish Autonmous Oblast. It's bigger than Israel.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Coat_of_Arms_of_Jewish_AO.png

Jewish Autonomous Oblast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast)

Fredom101
06-05-2010, 01:04 AM
Why don't we first quit conflating a race with a country, and a people with it's government? This is a non-issue.

cindy25
06-05-2010, 01:10 AM
because that government uses race/religion to extort huge amounts of aid, and influence foreign policy

fj45lvr
06-05-2010, 02:42 AM
An inappropriate analogy. The time for forgiving aggressive interactions with indigenous people had long passed as of 1948. Palestine absolutely belongs to Palestinians, and it is up to them and them alone to decide whether or not illegal Zionist immigrants should stay. A more appropriate analogy would be whether or not the US wants to allow illegal Mexican immigrants to stay in America.

It is an invasion alright but for 80+ years (history of the zionist movement)....

Besides the fact that the Palestinians didn't want the immigration the British ruled them and did what they pleased as to allowing a flood of foreigners immigrate into Palestine.

Jews should NOT leave the whole of palestine. They should only leave those lands where they did not BUY them. Any lands taken by violence or "decree" should be returned to the rightful owners (though many of them are dying off and their children and heirs are now left with the "title" to the land).

Normally when a foreign group waltzes in and takes land from the current owners the nation that exists is still "unified"....having a SINGLE state is probably the best solution but that would mean that both groups would have to recognize each other as equals and have equal rights....but that is the best chance at lasting peace with common protection of all people, regardless of hatred and bad blood.



The PLO I believe did finally agree to the UN partition of Palestine and the Israelis agreed to it in the past as well (even though they most likely have no intention of living up to their word).

fj45lvr
06-05-2010, 02:45 AM
Why don't we first quit conflating a race with a country, and a people with it's government? This is a non-issue.


not to mention "religion" too!!! but yeah you are so correct.

fj45lvr
06-05-2010, 02:56 AM
This is an issue of a battle for the very foundations of logic and rationality. If the Zionists win it, it will be proof positive that logic for humanity is determined by the State and the Media, not by natural or fundamental laws.


This demonstrates that "the state" and "the media" are easily manipulated towards favoritism and NOT "justice"

Justice is what is needed badly. And that includes the Palestinians also doling out "justice" to their own stupid crimes against themselves and israelis as much as it does against the state sponsored theft and terror of Israel. History has shown when there is a spirit of retaliation that people celebrate in bloodlust and revel in murder to revenge wrongs (this is something that Israel takes advantage as well as the American settlers against the native Americans....treat them bad enough and humiliate them enough to fester that retaliation so that when it happens they continue to be portrayed by media as "savages" and "not worthy of equal treatment". This is how Israel perpetuates the annexation of the territories as a part of their evil plan.


yes, this is a battle for "right and wrong" (where both sides commit wrongs and innocent people then do not get the "right").

Up The Deise
06-05-2010, 03:29 AM
Actually wouldn't they have to go back to Egypt? Lols

EndDaFed
06-05-2010, 06:19 AM
You have to love it. Helen Thomas is an epic troll. I loved how her comments made all the ass clowns at HotAir lose it.

paulim
06-05-2010, 06:26 AM
A racist creed won't go away through shifting it from one place to the other. The answer is: Don't subsidize them through their satellites in the european and american states - then they can show each other which god is stronger.

bobbyw24
06-05-2010, 06:27 AM
Longtime White House scribe Helen Thomas caused more than a few eyebrows to perk up when video surfaced on Friday of her declaring that Jews should "get the hell out of Palestine" and go back to Germany and Poland.

Captured by Rabbi David Nesenoff of RabbiLive.com, the footage made the rounds on mostly conservative and neoconservative sites, with some private complaints that her comments weren't getting wider play.

Thomas would apologize in a written statement, saying she deeply regretted the comments -- which were offered in response to the killing of pro-Palestinian activists by Israel forces and came, ironically, during the White House's Jewish Heritage Celebration.

But even as she was trying to walk back the remarks, calls for her firing mounted. Among the more vocal was former Bush Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, who claimed to have a close relationship with Thomas when he was manning the daily briefings.

"She should lose her job over this," Fleischer said in an email. "As someone who is Jewish, and as someone who worked with her and used to like her, I find this appalling."

"She is advocating religious cleansing. How can Hearst stand by her? If a journalist, or a columnist, said the same thing about blacks or Hispanics, they would already have lost their jobs."

A longtime fixture of the White House press room, Thomas hasn't exactly hid her politics on the Middle East conflict. The day after Israeli Defense Forces stormed the flotilla, she pressed spokesman Robert Gibbs as to how the administration could stand by the blockade of Gaza and the broader treatment of Palestinians by the Israeli government. A good faction of political and foreign policy observers found the line of inquiry refreshing.

Story continues below


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/04/ari-fleischer-fire-helen-thomas_n_601565.html

paulim
06-05-2010, 06:38 AM
Thats the wrong debate, and I suppose both, Fleischer and Thomas know that. As David Irving said, the jews should start asking themselves why they are disliked. If you let others know that your life has more value, you can't expect friendly reactions in the long run, no matter where you do it. Therefore, if you want to be racist, a closed state like israel is the solution, but of course you have to show that you are able to finance it, without looting in other countries. Stop the subsidies (known and unkown) and many ordinary people will become supporters of israel.

constituent
06-05-2010, 06:41 AM
Why don't we first quit conflating a race with a country, and a people with it's government? This is a non-issue.

Right after we quit conflating a religion with a race. How 'bout dat?

BTW, I wonder who it is that you believe occupies all that stolen land.
Are all Israelis members of the government, or merely complicit pawns?

Either way, no sympathy for the devil. :)

EndDaFed
06-05-2010, 06:48 AM
Ari Fleische is a dumb ass. She said nothing of the sort.

yokna7
06-05-2010, 07:04 AM
Ooh there's a "support Israel" credit card ad on the site today. I don't think they'll make a lot of money advertising here lol:)

yokna7
06-05-2010, 07:08 AM
IRONY!!!!! Ethnic cleansing Ari??? Some would say Israel is guilty of the same. I just got the douche chills!

Bruno
06-05-2010, 07:15 AM
http://i49.tinypic.com/ayu5o5.jpg

lester1/2jr
06-05-2010, 08:56 AM
theres no law against not being a zionist.

I would add too that fleischer may want to shut up here. What happens if this story makes it to the mainstream and the concept of there being no israeli headache anymore meets with resounding approval!!

Aratus
06-05-2010, 10:16 AM
dear helen thomas in her girlhood was in good humour when JFK's wit would glibly rib her
and VERBALLY run circles around lil' ole LOIS LANE her... this is before BABA~WAHWAH
became a secure media talking head. like teddy roosevelt's daughter's remark about
the preening & conceited log cabin republicans around auld bill mckinley i am almost
am thinking don't ask don't tell about whut is at the core of her remark as things are
still tense between the israelis and the turks. helen thomas now joins jim bunning and
earl butz in terms of quotability yet she has yet to reach the realm georgie patton sr. was
at near calais concerning franklin delano roosevelt's advisors. lets ease up on the grand lady.

Liberty Star
06-05-2010, 10:45 AM
I thought she meant jewish settlers should get out of palestine where they are occupying others land in violation of international law. That has been official US policy for long time and has taken an urgent note post 9/11.

Old people tend to misspeak sometimes, back in the day warmonger Ari said more deliberate and racist stuff about people of Iraqi race when he used to be Bush WH spokeswoman.

Aratus
06-05-2010, 10:47 AM
remember when ford said how free the same said poland wuz happily about a decade before the berlin wall
fell and thankfully you perceptive young'uns do know the difference between jerry ford and very flivver'd henry

Aratus
06-05-2010, 10:51 AM
if 1/3rd of the NEW as in three decades or less arrivals in israel are from the coldwar u.s.s.r
or the formerly communisitic post-u.s.s.r... YIKES! she wants RUSSIAN JEWs to goto POLAND!

tangent4ronpaul
06-07-2010, 05:23 AM
Might loose her WH press seat.

-t

tangent4ronpaul
06-07-2010, 05:38 AM
Her agent apparently resigned over the weekend.

-t

RileyE104
06-07-2010, 05:43 AM
I don't see what the big deal is.. If they left Palestine there wouldn't be anymore problems. I don't see why some American's feel like Israel is somehow entitled to the land. Just because God "promised" them the land. I mean, come on... This is so ridiculous it shouldn't even be up for debate anymore.

low preference guy
06-07-2010, 05:44 AM
worst OP creates yet another thread without sources or links.

also, the resignation of her agent is old news.

lester1/2jr
06-07-2010, 08:30 AM
if jews want to settle in israel or palestine or whatever anyone want to call it it is none of yours, my or helen thomas's business, it just shouldn't involve us.

that said, there is no law against not being a zinoist and all this story is going to do is get the concept of their not being an israel wider exposure. another dumb pr move by the israel lobby.

SooperDave
06-07-2010, 10:34 AM
she just resigned. poor old hags life was probably threatened.

this world sucks...someone can't speak their mind without losing their job.

AuH20
06-07-2010, 10:38 AM
I have no problem with Thomas views if they are at least consistent. For example, I wonder what her opinion is on illegal aliens in the U.S.? I somehow think she wouldn't possess the courage to make a similar comment.;)

HOLLYWOOD
06-07-2010, 10:40 AM
ROTHCHILDS Channel aka (Reuters/AP) reported

Helen Thomas high school speech canceled over flap
(AP) – 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is criticizing controversial remarks about Israel by veteran White House reporter Helen Thomas.
On Monday, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs was asked at his daily briefing about President Barack Obama's view on Thomas' remarks. Gibbs called them "offensive and reprehensible."


Thomas, a columnist for Hearst Newspapers, has apologized for comments captured on video by an interviewer for the website Rabbid TV,n the May 27 video, Thomas says Israelis should "get the hell out of Palestine," suggesting they go to Germany, Poland or the U.S.
Gibbs said Thomas' remarks "do not reflect certainly the opinion of most of the people here and certainly not of the administration."

BETHESDA, Md. (AP) — A high school graduation speech by veteran White House reporter Helen Thomas has been canceled because of controversial remarks she made about Israel, the school's principal said in an e-mail Sunday.

Thomas had been scheduled to speak at the June 14 graduation of Walt Whitman High School, but Principal Alan Goodwin wrote in the e-mail to students and parents that she was being replaced. The school in the Washington suburb of Bethesda, Md., hasn't picked a new speaker.
"Graduation celebrations are not the venue for divisiveness," Goodwin wrote.


Who controls this country again?

yokna7
06-07-2010, 10:50 AM
ROTHCHILDS Channel aka (Reuters/AP) reported

Helen Thomas high school speech canceled over flap
(AP) – 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is criticizing controversial remarks about Israel by veteran White House reporter Helen Thomas.
On Monday, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs was asked at his daily briefing about President Barack Obama's view on Thomas' remarks. Gibbs called them "offensive and reprehensible."
Thomas, a columnist for Hearst Newspapers, has apologized for comments captured on video by an interviewer for the website Rabbid TV,n the May 27 video, Thomas says Israelis should "get the hell out of Palestine," suggesting they go to Germany, Poland or the U.S.
Gibbs said Thomas' remarks "do not reflect certainly the opinion of most of the people here and certainly not of the administration."

BETHESDA, Md. (AP) — A high school graduation speech by veteran White House reporter Helen Thomas has been canceled because of controversial remarks she made about Israel, the school's principal said in an e-mail Sunday.

Thomas had been scheduled to speak at the June 14 graduation of Walt Whitman High School, but Principal Alan Goodwin wrote in the e-mail to students and parents that she was being replaced. The school in the Washington suburb of Bethesda, Md., hasn't picked a new speaker.
"Graduation celebrations are not the venue for divisiveness," Goodwin wrote.


Who controls this country again?

This false anti-semitic nonsense is out of hand. When I discuss Israel policy and I get labeled "anti-semitic", I've won.

Bruno
06-07-2010, 11:01 AM
She retired

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/06/veteran-white-house-reporter-helen-thomas-retires-following-controversial-remarks/1

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=248681