Look at these birds

[Depressed Liberator]

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/06/caught_in_the_oil.html

:(

[TC95]

That is horrible. :(

[Bman]

It certainly breaks your heart.

[Vessol]

It certainly does. And we're only going to see more of this :(.

[torchbearer]

look on the bright side, at least it will kill off the crab people.
http://files.sharenator.com/CrabPeople_Left_4_Dead_Teletubbie_mod-s500x375-22490-580.jpg
hell, may even kill off some mosquitos. though i doubt we'll get that lucky.

you'll never see this news story: mysterious disease wiping out mosquitos and fire ant populations.

[libertybrewcity]

poor birds. who knows how many others species are in danger.i hope they clean that up quickly.

[AmericaFyeah92]

:D Lol

[Baptist]

"And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it."

Sure he didn't mean dress it in oil.

Sad pictures.

[Andrew-Austin]

Stupid birds why would they land in that shit.

exhibit A, a non-retarded species:

http://boots-to-suits.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/jumping-over-puddle-300x300.jpg

Check that shit out! He saw an icky puddle and stepped over it. Birds have motherfucking wings yet they still can't avoid puddles.

Now I give you exhibit B, a retarded species destined to get canned by evolutionary forces:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RvpVKx8hQpQ/SKumby7AKVI/AAAAAAAAAKk/zgS8oF8o2XI/s400/JFKTaxiLotPuddleBird.JPG

Landed right in the mother fucking icky puddle! Now I know where the idiom bird brain came from.

And finally I give you exhibit X, the relationship between the two species given the illustrations above:

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/KFC_chicken_wings430x300.jpg

[Baptist]

ROFL. Guess you can always find humor in anything.


If this one well spews out oil until Christmas or later, I hope that it shuts up all those who believe that peak oil garbage.

[AmericaFyeah92]

^rofl

[Vessol]

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/KFC_chicken_wings430x300.jpg

Well you see, with the oil spill, now I won't have to order BBQ sauce for my wings... they'll come pre-sauced.

*crickets*

[Cowlesy]

sad sad pics

[fisharmor]

This reminds me of a comic I heard in the 80's, who was doing a bit about starving children commercials, and he said something like "well, you're right there taking pictures, why don't you do something? Give them your sandwich, dick!"

I wouldn't doubt for a second that the photo crew were hucking rocks at the pelicans to get them to act pissed for the money shot.

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

I lol'd for some reason.


Im evil :(

[Paul Revered]

Deleted message. HTML FAIL! LOL

[Flash]

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Your money will go directly to the parks impacted by the Gulf oil spill.</p><br>&lt;div class="sect vert"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br><p>• <a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vZ3VsZnNlYWdyYW50LnRhbXUuZWR1L29pbHNwaW xsL2luZGV4Lmh0bQ=="><strong>Gulf of Mexico SeaGrant Programs</strong></a><strong> </strong>is supplying the most current information about the disaster and for volunteer opportunities in the region.</p><br><p>• <a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vbGFndWxmcmVzcG9uc2Uub3JnL2hvbWUuaHRtbA =="><strong>Coalition to Restore Coastal Louisiana</strong></a> is a group of organizations with a history of on-the-ground work in Louisiana, and combining efforts and experience to implement an effective volunteer response and make a real difference in the BP Oil Spill recovery efforts.</p><br><p>• The Ritz-Carlton New Orleans is working with <a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHRlcm9mdHJ1c3Qub3JnLw=="><strong>Matter of Trust</strong></a> to collect donations of nylons, hair and fur, which can be used in making booms for containing oil.</p><br><p>• <a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3LmNjYW5vLm9yZy8="><strong>Catholic Charities</strong></a> is providing food, rent and utilities aid and is currently in need of volunteers to help outreach to families who work in fishing-related industries affected by the oil spill.</p><br><p>• <a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vbm8taHVuZ2VyLm9yZy8="><strong>Second Harvest Food Bank</strong></a>: is working in concert with Catholic Charities Archdiocese of New Orleans, the Louisiana Department of Social Services and others to ensure that men, women, children and seniors are afforded the meals they need during these trying times.</p><br><p>• The BP Volunteer Hotline has set up numbers if you need to report injured wildlife or damage related to the spill. You can also request volunteer information at 866-448-5816.</p><br><p>• <a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwczovL3NlY3VyZS5veGZhbWFtZXJpY2Eub3JnL3NpdG UvRG9uYXRpb24yP2RmX2lkPTQzNjAmNDM2MC5kb25hdGlvbj1m b3JtMSZKU2VydlNlc3Npb25JZHIwMDQ9aHhmdmJsaml2MS5hcH AyNDBh"><strong>Oxfam America</strong></a> is working to help affected communities with financial assistance, as well as protect local wetlands and marshes. Oxfam also has an <a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwczovL3NlY3VyZS5veGZhbWFtZXJpY2Eub3JnL3NpdG UvQWR2b2NhY3k/Y21kPWRpc3BsYXkmcGFnZT1Vc2VyQWN0aW9uJmlkPTEwOTU="><strong>online form</strong></a> to "Ask your Senator to make BP clean up their mess"</p><br><p>• <a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3LnZvbHVudGVlcmxvdWlzaWFuYS5nb3YvaG VscC1pbi1kaXNhc3Rlci9yZXNwb25zZS1yZWNvdmVyeS1lZmZv cnRzLw=="><strong>Louisiana Serve Commission</strong></a> is helping mobilize and train volunteers in response to the Oil Spill in the Gulf of Mexico.</p><br><p>• <a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1jdnMub3JnLw=="><strong>Mississippi Commission for Volunteer Service</strong></a><strong>:</strong> All oil and oil-contaminated materials will only be handled by trained, paid workers and not by volunteers. To apply for these jobs, go to the <a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1kZXMubXMuZ292Lw=="><strong>MS Department of Employment Security website</strong></a> and click on Oil Spill Jobs. Registered volunteers will also be contacted as needed.</p><br><p>• <a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3LnZvbHVudGVlcmZsb3JpZGFkaXNhc3Rlci 5vcmcv"><strong>Volunteer Florida</strong></a> encourages everyone to get connected with a local organization. Volunteers can support these organizations throughout the oil spill and beyond through appropriate activities such as Coast Watch, pre-oil landfall beach cleanups, fundraising, and meeting other needs of responding organizations.</p><br><p>• <a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3LnNlcnZlYWxhYmFtYS5nb3YvMjAxMC9kZW ZhdWx0LmFzcHg="><strong>Alabama Governor's Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives</strong></a> provides information on volunteer and donation opportunities.<br><br><a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZveG5ld3MuY29tL3VzLzIwMTAvMDYvMD QvYnAtb2lsLXNwaWxsLWFmdGVybWF0aC1oZWxwLw==">http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/04/bp-oil-spill-aftermath-help /</a>#</p><br>


Cool story bro

[libertybrewcity]

the hell is up with that code above?

[MelissaWV]

This reminds me of a comic I heard in the 80's, who was doing a bit about starving children commercials, and he said something like "well, you're right there taking pictures, why don't you do something? Give them your sandwich, dick!"

I wouldn't doubt for a second that the photo crew were hucking rocks at the pelicans to get them to act pissed for the money shot.

The pelicans are naturally looking like that, sadly. The "pissed" look you're seeing is what happens when they try to take off. They also huddle into the mud once they're so cold (their feathers are usually insulating them, but when they're all gooped together like that they don't work properly), and eventually they just die.

It's a little different than the starving children in that you really can just give the kid a sandwich. You can't just hose off one of these pelicans. It has to be caught and soaped and rinsed, and birds in general are... well... stupid. They really don't know what's going on, and a lot of them go into shock and die. They don't survive the cleanup.

The "emergency" numbers you call to get someone to come pick up these birds for cleaning was allegedly taking hours to return calls (you were routed through to voicemail when you dialed the number) and far longer to pick them up. That's plenty of time, unfortunately, for photos.

[Paul Revered]

Here is an excellent list of resources.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/04/bp-oil-spill-aftermath-help/

[BlackTerrel]

That's really really sad. Jarring actually.

When I first clicked on the thread I was hoping you meant "birds" in the way the English use the term.

[idirtify]

Stupid birds why would they land in that shit.
snipped


Your joke is not only a BIG FAT FAIL, it’s on you; since it hasn’t the slightest bit of credibility given the fact that you are questioning why seabirds land in the SEA. Then you make the excruciatingly non-funny punch line that implies that said birds are so stupid that they only deserve to die and be eaten.

But let further explain how the joke’s on you. Let’s say the spill continues for a long enough time to damage the ocean enough to cause massive harm to humanity, and YOU happen to be one of the dying. The last thing you see as you look out the window of your terminally-ill hospital room is a big flying saucer hovering inches away. You realize all the aliens are laughing. Then you realize they are laughing at you after you hear them say “Look at how stupid these humans are, who don’t even know better than to shit where they eat!”

So go ahead while you still can and laugh it up at the animals that are forced to swim and die in OUR shit, because tomorrow you may be the animal with not enough health to even chuckle – thanks to no other than the shit of your own species.

[torchbearer]

Your joke is not only a BIG FAT FAIL, it’s on you; since it hasn’t the slightest bit of credibility given the fact that you are questioning why seabirds land in the SEA. Then you make the excruciatingly non-funny punch line that implies that said birds are so stupid that they only deserve to die and be eaten.

But let further explain how the joke’s on you. Let’s say the spill continues for a long enough time to damage the ocean enough to cause massive harm to humanity, and YOU happen to be one of the dying. The last thing you see as you look out the window of your terminally-ill hospital room is a big flying saucer hovering inches away. You realize all the aliens are laughing. Then you realize they are laughing at you after you hear them say “Look at how stupid these humans are, who don’t even know better than to shit where they eat!”

So go ahead while you still can and laugh it up at the animals that are forced to swim and die in OUR shit, because tomorrow you may be the animal with not enough health to even chuckle – thanks to no other than the shit of your own species.


crab person or lizard person?

[Elle]

The birds aren't stupid for landing in the oil. The oil slick on the water makes the water look very calm so the birds land there.

This is so very sad :(

[Razmear]

A few oily birds get everyone all emotional. The hundreds of thousands of dead fish and shrimp that we can't see will prove to be a far more tragic loss in the end.
BP knows they'll get PR points for scrubbing a few birds on camera while the rest of the marine ecosystem silently dies.

eb

[Liberty Star]

This is horrific!

[Ekrub]

Your joke is not only a BIG FAT FAIL, it’s on you; since it hasn’t the slightest bit of credibility given the fact that you are questioning why seabirds land in the SEA. Then you make the excruciatingly non-funny punch line that implies that said birds are so stupid that they only deserve to die and be eaten.

But let further explain how the joke’s on you. Let’s say the spill continues for a long enough time to damage the ocean enough to cause massive harm to humanity, and YOU happen to be one of the dying. The last thing you see as you look out the window of your terminally-ill hospital room is a big flying saucer hovering inches away. You realize all the aliens are laughing. Then you realize they are laughing at you after you hear them say “Look at how stupid these humans are, who don’t even know better than to shit where they eat!”

So go ahead while you still can and laugh it up at the animals that are forced to swim and die in OUR shit, because tomorrow you may be the animal with not enough health to even chuckle – thanks to no other than the shit of your own species.

I think that you need to chill.

[BlackTerrel]

the hell is up with that code above?

Subliminal messages. You've been programmed.

[Flash]

IMO this proves Mammalian supremacy.

[Elle]

Easy way to help

human and animal hair can be used in the booms to clean up the mess. contact every hair salon, barber shop and animal groomer. http://www.matteroftrust.org/programs/hairmatsinfo.html

[idirtify]

I think that you need to chill.

Really.

The worst ecological disaster in our nation’s history, according to many experts. And if that’s debatable, soon there will be no question.

Literally hundreds of thousands to millions of birds dead, or soon to die.

Hundreds of millions to inestimable numbers of other animals surely destined for the same slow miserable fate.

The welfare of whole coastal communities and whole industries threatened to extinction.

A disaster of scale sufficient to present a potential threat to our own species.

And you think I need to chill??? :confused:

Maybe you would like to go tell the same bad joke to residents of coastal LA who depend on those ecosystems for their LIVES; and when they react appropriately, try telling them they need to chill. Let us know how that works out for you.

[idirtify]

IMO this proves Mammalian supremacy.

how?

[idirtify]

Easy way to help

human and animal hair can be used in the booms to clean up the mess. contact every hair salon, barber shop and animal groomer. http://www.matteroftrust.org/programs/hairmatsinfo.html

Interesting. I understand how hair holds oil, but NYLON? Oh well, if it works, it works. But if nylon works, what about other synthetics like polyester? Polyester is available by the millions of tons (old clothes).

Hey, I got an idea: How about the feds and BP pay for all the shipping of the donated boom fibers? I mean they are both liable for the spill, so they should at least pay for the shipping.

If the shipping was paid for, and polyester works as well, I could and would round up tons of polyester.

[torchbearer]

Interesting. I understand how hair holds oil, but NYLON? Oh well, if it works, it works. But if nylon works, what about other synthetics like polyester? Polyester is available by the millions of tons (old clothes).

Hey, I got an idea: How about the feds and BP pay for all the shipping of the donated boom fibers? I mean they are both liable for the spill, so they should at least pay for the shipping.

If the shipping was paid for, and polyester works as well, I could and would round up tons of polyester.

Magazine street is loaded with polyester.

[2young2vote]

I think that is sad. But what is even worse is that this is going to be used to stop drilling for oil and to impose new regulations that will raise the cost of living for millions of people.

[idirtify]

I think that is sad. But what is even worse is that this is going to be used to stop drilling for oil and to impose new regulations that will raise the cost of living for millions of people.

Right. Even though the regs that should have prevented it were already in place, but failed because the regulators and the regulated were in bed together (like always). So once again we have multi-layered fault of the government’s part, yet a general call for more government regulation will be heard everywhere.

What was that definition of “ignorance” again? Something about repeating the same mistake over and over again and still expecting a different outcome?

[aGameOfThrones]

What was that definition of “ignorance” again? Something about repeating the same mistake over and over again and still expecting a different outcome?

I think the word you are looking for is "insanity."


Very sad for the birds, but wouldn't taking pictures in a slaughterhouse when the animals are being killed be worst?

[moostraks]

Really.

The worst ecological disaster in our nation’s history, according to many experts. And if that’s debatable, soon there will be no question.

Literally hundreds of thousands to millions of birds dead, or soon to die.

Hundreds of millions to inestimable numbers of other animals surely destined for the same slow miserable fate.

The welfare of whole coastal communities and whole industries threatened to extinction.

A disaster of scale sufficient to present a potential threat to our own species.

And you think I need to chill??? :confused:

Maybe you would like to go tell the same bad joke to residents of coastal LA who depend on those ecosystems for their LIVES; and when they react appropriately, try telling them they need to chill. Let us know how that works out for you.

It needed to be said. Some folks here don't utilize their long term thinking skills for anything more than selfish desire fulfilment. Thinking of some one, much less some thing else is not part of their repertoire of social skills.

[idirtify]

I think the word you are looking for is "insanity."


Very sad for the birds, but wouldn't taking pictures in a slaughterhouse when the animals are being killed be worst?

Right. “Insanity” is the word.

But I don’t get your question about pictures of slaughtering farm animals. Surely you aren’t trying to minimize the severity of the disaster by trying to equate it with large-scale chicken farming! First, I can’t imagine the sea birds aren’t suffering a far worse death than chickens do. It’s basically a slow torturous suffocation / poisoning / hypothermia. Secondly, there are far more species dying and going to die than sea birds. Thirdly, none of them are dying for any purpose or benefit. Their carcasses are not fit for any scavenger above very specialized bacteria. Fourthly, this huge die-off could potentially come back to bite us in the ass in ways way worse than the loss of whole ecosystems and livelihoods along coastlines. Do I need to go on?

[rprprs]

IMO this proves Mammalian supremacy.

Given that this horrific assault on earth's 'lesser' life forms was perpetrated by the most evolved of all mammals, one might wish to look elsewhere for support of that assertion.

[Flash]

Sounds like something a Reptilian would say

[torchbearer]

Sounds like something a Reptilian would say

i'm undecided, it may be a reptilian.

[idirtify]

It needed to be said. Some folks here don't utilize their long term thinking skills for anything more than selfish desire fulfilment. Thinking of some one, much less some thing else is not part of their repertoire of social skills.

Right. It seems like they aren’t able to grasp the scale of this disaster or to accept the degree of potential consequences. I don’t know how many comparisons or analogies it will take to get them to realize the gravity of the situation, but here are a few. The earth is currently vomiting without cessation, and is ASPIRATING its vomitus. AND WE CAN’T STOP IT. Take special note that WE are the fleas who live off the blood of said planet. Should a totally-dependant parasite really be cavalier about the health crisis of the organism upon which it depends? NO. Because we don’t know how long our host can continue to aspirate its vomit before it loses enough of its health to harm us. Do you think you know how long it can? Well tell us. How long can it continue to bleed internally? How long can it continue to build fluid in its lungs? Realize the planet does not have to die to harm us. As any intelligent parasite should know, it only has to lose a certain amount of health before it can no longer afford to support us. It has done that many times in the past. So go ahead and be empathetic-free about the misfortunes of countless other organisms and their ecosystems if you must, but don’t ignore the very real possibility that your misfortune could be around the corner. Look...you don’t have to be a tree-hugger environmentalist to be seriously concerned about this disaster – no one here is going to hold it against you.

I hear they are collecting more of the oil now. That’s good.

[torchbearer]

Right. It seems like they aren’t able to grasp the scale of this disaster or to accept the degree of potential consequences. I don’t know how many comparisons or analogies it will take to get them to realize the gravity of the situation, but here are a few. The earth is currently vomiting without cessation, and is ASPIRATING its vomitus. AND WE CAN’T STOP IT. Take special note that WE are the fleas who live off the blood of said planet. Should a totally-dependant parasite really be cavalier about the health crisis of the organism upon which it depends? NO. Because we don’t know how long our host can continue to aspirate its vomit before it loses enough of its health to harm us. Do you think you know how long it can? Well tell us. How long can it continue to bleed internally? How long can it continue to build fluid in its lungs? Realize the planet does not have to die to harm us. As any intelligent parasite should know, it only has to lose a certain amount of health before it can no longer afford to support us. It has done that many times in the past. So go ahead and be empathetic-free about the misfortunes of countless other organisms and their ecosystems if you must, but don’t ignore the very real possibility that your misfortune could be around the corner. Look...you don’t have to be a tree-hugger environmentalist to be seriously concerned about this disaster – no one here is going to hold it against you.

I hear they are collecting more of the oil now. That’s good.

I spend my time worrying about things i can change, not the things i cannot change.
sound advice.

[idirtify]

I spend my time worrying about things i can change, not the things i cannot change.


Good point, but the relevance here on this forum is that few problems are solved before they are thoroughly addressed and understood.

[moostraks]

I spend my time worrying about things i can change, not the things i cannot change.
sound advice.

How many times has the attitude that we cannot change the situation so suck it up and deal with it been used to allow a situation to spiral out of control because we remained silent and unmotivated?

Hopefully idirtify can find some way to use this energy to be an effective change in the things they are so passionate about. A bunch of immature folks on a forum don't need to render the poster impotent just because they feel that way on the issue...

[torchbearer]

How many times has the attitude that we cannot change the situation so suck it up and deal with it been used to allow a situation to spiral out of control because we remained silent and unmotivated?

Hopefully idirtify can find some way to use this energy to be an effective change in the things they are so passionate about. A bunch of immature folks on a forum don't need to render the poster impotent just because they feel that way on the issue...

I cannot change the past, i can only change the future.
I cannot stop the oil leak, i cannot prevent it from blowing out. I cannot keep the oil from spreading, i cannot keep birds and sea life from dying from it.
I can only work for future goals of changing government policy.
This is a political forum, so a discussion of what we CAN do would be more beneficial.
To get all worked up over things you cannot change, does nothing but shorten your lifespan and weakens your immunity.

[moostraks]

I cannot change the past, i can only change the future.
I cannot stop the oil leak, i cannot prevent it from blowing out. I cannot keep the oil from spreading, i cannot keep birds and sea life from dying from it.
I can only work for future goals of changing government policy.
This is a political forum, so a discussion of what we CAN do would be more beneficial.
To get all worked up over things you cannot change, does nothing but shorten your lifespan and weakens your immunity.

So you believe the subject is pointless and mock them and I said maybe they should use their energy to affect a change. Maybe by redirecting they will find an outlet for their frustration.

Your responses are usually more intelligent Torch...

[torchbearer]

So you believe the subject is pointless and mock them and I said maybe they should use their energy to affect a change. Maybe by redirecting they will find an outlet for their frustration.

Your responses are usually more intelligent Torch...

in all my time here on this forum, i've only come across two other people who know anything about the oil field industry. none of those people are present in this thread.
So, all you get is a bunch of emotional arguments about things you don't understand.
I'm surprised someone hasn't brought up the explosives remedy again. That's the usual depth of intellectualism brought into these threads.
The only purpose for rehashing past mistakes is to prevent future ones, but no one in this thread is even knowledgable enough to understand what the mistakes were, so what is the point besides emotional masturbation?

[moostraks]

in all my time here on this forum, i've only come across two other people who know anything about the oil field industry. none of those people are present in this thread.
So, all you get is a bunch of emotional arguments about things you don't understand.
I'm surprised someone hasn't brought up the explosives remedy again. That's the usual depth of intellectualism brought into these threads.
The only purpose for rehashing past mistakes is to prevent future ones, but no one in this thread is even knowledgable enough to understand what the mistakes were, so what is the point besides emotional masturbation?


Maybe they will educate themselves and be a motivation for change in the industry?

[torchbearer]

Maybe they will educate themselves and be a motivation for change in the industry?

i have no idea what this statement means?
who is they? how will they educate themselves, if no one among they has any knowledge to share with each other. then the assumption is that something is wrong with the industry, or that it needs to be changed.

This particular well had problems because of soft sediment layers that were too light for use with heavy muds. the kind require to keep the well in check.
none of the above has anything to with regulations/procedures, policies, safety, enviromentalism.
It is an inherint risk to drilling. There is no way around it.

[torchbearer]

the record of drilling in the gulf is better than all other industries, in 50 years of drilling in the gulf this is the first major accident. a very rare thing indeed.
how many other industries that endeavor in very risky development can claim that kind of record?
mining? no.
space flight? no.

the only 100% safe way to protect the environment is to remove humans from this planet.
Even if we went back to primitive lifestyles, you are still going to have some asshole piss in the river.

[moostraks]

i have no idea what this statement means?
who is they? how will they educate themselves, if no one among they has any knowledge to share with each other. then the assumption is that something is wrong with the industry, or that it needs to be changed.

This particular well had problems because of soft sediment layers that were too light for use with heavy muds. the kind require to keep the well in check.
none of the above has anything to with regulations/procedures, policies, safety, enviromentalism.
It is an inherint risk to drilling. There is no way around it.

Careful Torch your age is showing.

Maybe 'they' are the poster who has a problem with the oil industry and this disaster they have let loosed upon the oceans. Maybe 'they' will become leaders in alternative fuels or deep well drilling methods and can prevent any future destruction that might occur such as this because of their ingenuity in the field for which this has made them so passionate.

Or you can continue to act like an immature prick making ridiculous responses such as stick to your own business the masters in this field can handle this. Looks like it is going swimmingly! We wouldn't want anyone to be a force for change here. This is clearly just the place to go to be berated and demoralized....:rolleyes:

[moostraks]

the record of drilling in the gulf is better than all other industries, in 50 years of drilling in the gulf this is the first major accident. a very rare thing indeed.
how many other industries that endeavor in very risky development can claim that kind of record?
mining? no.
space flight? no.

the only 100% safe way to protect the environment is to remove humans from this planet.
Even if we went back to primitive lifestyles, you are still going to have some asshole piss in the river.

And now we see how devastating one screw up can be. Might inspire others to pursue alternative means such as the bacteria that crapped oil after it fed on trash.

[torchbearer]

And now we see how devastating one screw up can be. Might inspire others to pursue alternative means such as the bacteria that crapped oil after it fed on trash.

i've been advocating this-
http://www.mindfully.org/Energy/2003/Anything-Into-Oil1may03.htm

[torchbearer]

Careful Torch your age is showing.

Maybe 'they' are the poster who has a problem with the oil industry and this disaster they have let loosed upon the oceans. Maybe 'they' will become leaders in alternative fuels or deep well drilling methods and can prevent any future destruction that might occur such as this because of their ingenuity in the field for which this has made them so passionate.

Or you can continue to act like an immature prick making ridiculous responses such as stick to your own business the masters in this field can handle this. Looks like it is going swimmingly! We wouldn't want anyone to be a force for change here. This is clearly just the place to go to be berated and demoralized....:rolleyes:

i'm sorry, but if you don't understand the problem, how can you propose solutions?

[erowe1]

I don't remember any newspapers showing pictures of animals that got hurt or killed by Hurricane Katrina. Is there some reason we're supposed to care about them now more than then?

[MelissaWV]

A few oily birds get everyone all emotional. The hundreds of thousands of dead fish and shrimp that we can't see will prove to be a far more tragic loss in the end.
BP knows they'll get PR points for scrubbing a few birds on camera while the rest of the marine ecosystem silently dies.

eb

Nah, I'm not "emotional" over it, but I do correct errors when I see them. The photographers couldn't clean up the birds, and they wouldn't have to throw rocks to get the "poses" shown in the article. It's fact that these birds are dying and coated in goop as a consequence of man's actions. They are also only a symptom, you're right, of the larger disaster at sea and on land.

On a "bright" note, though I'm not sure if that's the right characterization, a chunk of the spill actually is affecting the "dead zone" where the marine ecosystem was already almost kaput.

This will be an excuse for regulations, as others have pointed out, and a rallying point for environmentalists, and in the end very few people will logically examine the situation and their solutions will be rejected by both sides.

[moostraks]

i'm sorry, but if you don't understand the problem, how can you propose solutions?

By educating yourself and becoming a solution, be it now or for/in the future...

[moostraks]

i've been advocating this-
http://www.mindfully.org/Energy/2003/Anything-Into-Oil1may03.htm

:D "If a 175-pound man fell into one end , he would come out the other end as 38 pounds of oil, 7 pounds of gas, and 7 pounds of minerals, as well as 123 pounds of sterilized water. " LOL I can see the gears turning for some folks...

Looks promising, and maybe if enough people get good and frustrated we can push through some pioneering ideas in the field rather than allowing this to remain some interesting piece of trivia for a board game...

[torchbearer]

:D "If a 175-pound man fell into one end , he would come out the other end as 38 pounds of oil, 7 pounds of gas, and 7 pounds of minerals, as well as 123 pounds of sterilized water. " LOL I can see the gears turning for some folks...

Looks promising, and maybe if enough people get good and frustrated we can push through some pioneering ideas in the field rather than allowing this to remain some interesting piece of trivia for a board game...

it has been implemented in two towns. i remember one is in arkansas.

[torchbearer]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization

[idirtify]

Torchbearer,

First you implied that I should not worry about the spill because it’s something I can’t change. Since it was in response to my earlier disagreements with bad jokes about seabirds dying in oil, we can infer that your remark was to agree with the jokes and disagree with my disagreement. I replied by pointing out that a problem has to be thoroughly faced before it can be solved. But you appeared to continue to disagree by saying the past can’t be changed, and to correct me by saying that a discussion of what we CAN do would be more beneficial. (At this point you are debating with another, but over the same things.) You point out that you can only work for future goals of changing government policy. Next you post that no one in this thread knows what they are talking about and that it’s just a bunch of emotional arguments about things not understood, and characterized it as having no point other than emotional masturbation. Next moostraks replied by suggesting that maybe thread participants will learn more and help change the industry? You replied by giving some information about why it was only an accident and not the fault of the industry and about how rare these accidents are. Next moonstraks criticized you for acting so immature when you tell us that no one should discuss it but the masters in the field, then encouraged you to see how one devastating screw up might inspire others to find alternatives such as oil-producing bacteria. You reply by offering your own solution in the form of a link to a site about recycling turkey guts. You conclude your arguing by telling moonstraks that people who don't understand the problem cannot propose solutions.

Wow.

First I must assume that since you think it’s OK to try to work for future goals of changing government policy, then you also think it’s OK to be worried about the harmful consequences of current government policy (since the latter is the bulk of LF’s content). I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume that you too have done your fair share of posting instances of harm caused by bad government policy, even though it’s something that was done IN THE PAST. So when you emphasized the harm done by bad government policy, were YOU engaging in “emotional masturbation”? If not, why was I when I emphasized the harm of this oil spill? When you emphasized said harm, were you not merely engaging in one of the many aspects of problem solving – and participating in discussions which only lead to greater understanding of the problem?? Or am I wrong, and you have never posted such a thing – at least not without first being 100% educated about every single bit and byte of data and info that could possibly be related to the issue? I doubt that I am wrong. Let me propose that if no one but absolutely fully-informed experts were allowed to comment on problems, there would be very little awareness of existing problems – and no such thing as “news”.

Please consider these inconsistencies; because it appears that we are both interested in problem solving – but one of us is somewhat confused about the process.

[torchbearer]

Torchbearer,

First you implied that I should not worry about the spill because it’s something I can’t change. Since it was in response to my earlier disagreements with bad jokes about seabirds dying in oil, we can infer that your remark was to agree with the jokes and disagree with my disagreement. I replied by pointing out that a problem has to be thoroughly faced before it can be solved. But you appeared to continue to disagree by saying the past can’t be changed, and to correct me by saying that a discussion of what we CAN do would be more beneficial. (At this point you are debating with another, but over the same things.) You point out that you can only work for future goals of changing government policy. Next you post that no one in this thread knows what they are talking about and that it’s just a bunch of emotional arguments about things not understood, and characterized it as having no point other than emotional masturbation. Next moostraks replied by suggesting that maybe thread participants will learn more and help change the industry? You replied by giving some information about why it was only an accident and not the fault of the industry and about how rare these accidents are. Next moonstraks criticized you for acting so immature when you tell us that no one should discuss it but the masters in the field, then encouraged you to see how one devastating screw up might inspire others to find alternatives such as oil-producing bacteria. You reply by offering your own solution in the form of a link to a site about recycling turkey guts. You conclude your arguing by telling moonstraks that people who don't understand the problem cannot propose solutions.

Wow.

First I must assume that since you think it’s OK to try to work for future goals of changing government policy, then you also think it’s OK to be worried about the harmful consequences of current government policy (since the latter is the bulk of LF’s content). I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume that you too have done your fair share of posting instances of harm caused by bad government policy, even though it’s something that was done IN THE PAST. So when you emphasized the harm done by bad government policy, were YOU engaging in “emotional masturbation”? If not, why was I when I emphasized the harm of this oil spill? When you emphasized said harm, were you not merely engaging in one of the many aspects of problem solving – and participating in discussions which only lead to greater understanding of the problem?? Or am I wrong, and you have never posted such a thing – at least not without first being 100% educated about every single bit and byte of data and info that could possibly be related to the issue? I doubt that I am wrong. Let me propose that if no one but absolutely fully-informed experts were allowed to comment on problems, there would be very little awareness of existing problems – and no such thing as “news”.

Please consider these inconsistencies; because it appears that we are both interested in problem solving – but one of us is somewhat confused about the process.

did you see the post where i was talking about the light sediment having nothing to do with government policy?

[JeNNiF00F00]

I think this is a serious matter that the Ron Paul people should be taking upon themselves as an opportunity to get out there and make a difference, both for the sake of these animals and our environment, and possibly at the same time to get the message out there. Any meet ups planning this?

[idirtify]

did you see the post where i was talking about the light sediment having nothing to do with government policy?

Yeah. And? (Is that’s your basis for attempting to disagree with my emphasis on the harm of the spill, and my disagreement with bad seabird jokes?)

[idirtify]

I think this is a serious matter that the Ron Paul people should be taking upon themselves as an opportunity to get out there and make a difference, both for the sake of these animals and our environment, and possibly at the same time to get the message out there. Any meet ups planning this?

Great idea. Many “individualistic” organizations have gained good degrees of public acceptance by finally realizing it’s not against their principles to give to charity. The motorcycle group ABATE first comes to mind.