Reminder: Tucker and Joy Behar on Bill Maher tonight

[rajibo]

Could get Paulie. :D

[kylejack]

Krugman is going to cry.

[Question_Authority]

I hope Joy mentions the flowers she received today. IN fact, I hope she received them. The flower people had to leave them with the security guard at the "messenger center" at ABC. :(

I just hope he didn't swipe them and bring them home to his wife!!!

[Pedro TT]

Crap...thanks the reminder! I was going to go watch a movie but I'll wait to the Midnight showing to watch Bill Maher.

[shepburn]

what channel is he on?

[rajibo]

Hbo

[Hook]

Anyone Youtubing it?

[Marshall]

Seconding the youtube idea.

I don't get HBO ;o

[RP4ME]

Can you order HBO pay per episode?

[sunghoko]

Can you order HBO pay per episode?


yes

http://www.hbo.com/billmaher/downloads/

through Itunes audio only

[torchbearer]

what time does it air?

[TVMH]

10:00 Pm Ct

[TVMH]

bump

Let's watch it woopig-style. (woopig-style refers to getting in chat, drinking beer, and discussing the game that we were all listening to on the radio...yes, we are Razorback internet message board geeks).

[torchbearer]

can someone capture it for us people that don't have hbo. i'm sure it will be a good one tonight.

[KramerDSP]

Any predictions for the show ? I am not sure what to expect, honestly.

[Noog]

I'm kind of surprised that Maher likes RP. His biggest issues (global warming, pro-illegal immigration, universal healthcare) aren't RP's strongest.

[DjLoTi]

^^^^^ maybe he's not all of those things.

[Noog]

Perhaps, but he talks about them constantly. Then again, he also called RP his new hero and has only mentioned him a few times since. I guess he's got to keep it interesting.

[Adamsa]

Anyone Youtubing it?

Seconded.

[torchbearer]

I can see them talking about the growing number of celebs that are getting behind paul... starting with themselves. That would be a cool angle.

[ItsTime]

man i turn it on and Fox is on it... that scum bag asshole NAFTA piece of shit

[isufferfromronpaulfever]

Ron Paul right off the bat! WOOHOO!

[Drknows]

Ron Paul right off the bat! WOOHOO!

You serious? GREAT!!!! i wish i had HBO damn it.

[BLS]

Holy fucking shit....

Tucker JUST betrayed us.

[isufferfromronpaulfever]

I'm not good at recapping but as soon as the 3 joined the panel they started talking about him.

[Mordechai Vanunu]

Tucker basically said everyone should stop pretending to love Ron Paul because if they really knew what he stood for, i.e. reducing government and making people responsible for their own lives, they wouldn't like him, because people don't want full responsibility and freedom, they want government to take care of them (but he did note that that definitely is what he wants and he likes RP). Maher played a clip of RP from the CNBC debate and had nothing bad to say.

[Question_Authority]

Holy fucking shit....

Tucker JUST betrayed us.

"If people really knew what ROn Paul thought...they would hate him"

OK, Tucker. I am DONE with you. Bastard.

[isufferfromronpaulfever]

Holy fucking shit....

Tucker JUST betrayed us.

Betrayed? Let's not go that far. C'mon now.

[McDermit]

We already know tucker's a dick. Why is anyone suprised?

[Ann Kobialka]

Arrrrrggggg Tucker SUCKS said its fashionable right now to love Ron Paul but if people really knew what he really believed they would hate him gggggrrrrr Ann

[transistor]

really though, that was a shot at people today, not ron paul

[Tina]

Holy fucking shit....

Tucker JUST betrayed us.

Boy did he ever the little jerk, just when I was starting to like him. Can we quit all acting like we like Ron Paul,, if people really knew what he stood for they wouldn't like him..something like that.

[kylejack]

I think what Tucker's saying is that Ron Paul does a good job of crafting a message to a populace that is losing itself to socialism and imperialism.

[Question_Authority]

Tucker basically said everyone should stop pretending to love Ron Paul because if they really knew what he stood for, i.e. reducing government and making people responsible for their own lives, they wouldn't like him, because people don't want that.

And he called it "fashionable" to be a Ron Paul supporter.

F*#&^$ing ass!

[Mandrik]

Tucker has been saying stuff like this for a while. He LOVES Ron Paul, but he really believes that if all the "liberals" who say they support Ron Paul really understood what he stands for, they wouldn't like him. There are videos of him saying this on Youtube on more than one occassion. It's not new.

I don't 100% agree with it, but I can kinda sorta understand his point. I personally think those of us who one time considered ourselves Democrats didn't realize what it really meant to be Democrat. Now that Ron Paul is around, we realize that, holy shit, we've really been old school Republicans all this time!

[BLS]

Betrayed? Let's not go that far. C'mon now.

New to the game??

Don't "C'mon me"

[Question_Authority]

I think what Tucker's saying is that Ron Paul does a good job of crafting a message to a populace that is losing itself to socialism and imperialism.


That's between the lines. Tucker came out to deliberately attack Ron Paul. He said something similar to this last week on his show. It is a line he is delivering repeatedly.

[Mordechai Vanunu]

He LOVES Ron Paul, but he really believes that if all the "liberals" who say they support Ron Paul really understood what he stands for, they wouldn't like him.

I agree, but still, if he really does like RP, he should have taken the opportunity to put out something positive rather than negative.

[Question_Authority]

Tucker has been saying stuff like this for a while. He LOVES Ron Paul, but he really believes that if all the "liberals" who say they support Ron Paul really understood what he stands for, they wouldn't like him. There are videos of him saying this on Youtube on more than one occassion. It's not new.



But why SAY it over and over again if not to sabotage Paul? It certainly is not HELPING him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[paulitics]

To me it was a slight at idiot America, not RP.

[mrchubbs]

In a way it is good for Tucker to say those things, because I get the impression most Democrats/Liberals/Progressives/Whatever don't like Tucker much anyway. So him saying those things could help RP.


Enjoy.

[IowaSupport]

I didn't see the comment (please youtube) but from what I read about it - I definitely couldn't call it a betrayal. People in this day and age are afraid, they want to be coddled by their government. It's up to us to show them that that's the easy, and dumb way out.

In any case, he reaffirmed his support of RP right afterwards, no?

[isufferfromronpaulfever]

New to the game??

Don't "C'mon me"

New to the game?? What's that supposed to mean?

He didn't betray anybody. I can actually somewhat agree with what he said.

Wow.

[Tina]

He totally stopped the conversation about Paul. It was good until he opened his mouth.

[Question_Authority]

To me it was a slight at idiot America, not RP.

To YOU, maybe, but not to the general public, believe me. Most people watching Bill Maher barely know who ROn Paul is, or they are on the fence (if we are lucky). Tucker just helped to put the final nail in the coffin for some.

[shadowhooch]

The Tucker comment might be a ploy to get people to go look him up to see "what Dr. Paul really thinks".

And when they do.....what's not to like? As Ron Paul says, "understanding the meaning of freedom and liberty brings people together!"

I wouldn't be ashamed of getting people to find out what Dr. Paul is all about. Maybe it is reverse psychology. Or maybe he truly is a dick. Who knows.:confused:

[kylejack]

To me it was a slight at idiot America, not RP.

Yes, that's definitely how I took it, especially when cast in the light of what he said the other day. I'll find the Youtube link. I think he's basically fascinated that Ron Paul is getting this kind of support when his ideas about the role of government are frankly quite radical to mainstream political thought these days.

[terlinguatx]

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[kylejack]

To YOU, maybe, but not to the general public, believe me. Most people watching Bill Maher barely know who ROn Paul is, or they are on the fence (if we are lucky). Tucker just helped to put the final nail in the coffin for some.
The average Real Time viewer HATES TUCKER'S GUTS, I assure you.

[Tina]

The Tucker comment might be a ploy to get people to go look him up to see "what Dr. Paul really thinks".

And when they do.....what's not to like? As Ron Paul says, "understanding the meaning of freedom and liberty brings people together!"

I wouldn't be ashamed of getting people to find out what Dr. Paul is all about. Maybe it is reverse psychology. Or maybe he truly is a dick. Who knows.:confused:

He's not that damn clever

[NewEnd]

To me it was a slight at idiot America, not RP.

qft

tucker was being a tad realistic, and a tad too general about human nature.

[Question_Authority]

I didn't see the comment (please youtube) but from what I read about it - I definitely couldn't call it a betrayal. People in this day and age are afraid, they want to be coddled by their government. It's up to us to show them that that's the easy, and dumb way out.

In any case, he reaffirmed his support of RP right afterwards, no?

Barely. Saying that it is "fashionable" to support Ron Paul reduces him to a FAD. And then he poo-poo'ed the concept of "throwing out the department of education" which he did last week on his show saying "throwing it into the Potomac" which tells nothing about the truth behind the reasons for ending it.

[Mandrik]

To me it was a slight at idiot America, not RP.

Exactly. Like I said, I understand his point, but I honestly believe that the majority of Ron Paul supporters are smart enough to know and understand ALL of Ron Paul's views. Lets face it, if we want to know all about RP, we need to go online and research. We're not being spoon fed by the MSM about our candidate. Therefore, yes, Tucker has a point, but he's underestimating RP supporters.

[Mordechai Vanunu]

Maybe it is reverse psychology.

That's a possibility. He strikes me as someone who does like RP and is trying to advertise for him in various ways, but is still a talking head for a corporation (NBC), and in that role he is required to represent their opinion.

[hard@work]

There is no way big media doesn't know of the impact we've had on the net. They know we're watching them. Don't forget that, so think of things in that context.

[Question_Authority]

Yes, that's definitely how I took it, especially when cast in the light of what he said the other day. I'll find the Youtube link. I think he's basically fascinated that Ron Paul is getting this kind of support when his ideas about the role of government are frankly quite radical to mainstream political thought these days.


Look, Tucker could have used this opportunity, away from his msnbc bosses, to say some amazing things about Ron Paul. Instead he ambushed him. F*&#er.

[BLS]

Look, I'm not uneducated...and I realize how politics can be construed in a different way...but Tucker definately didn't stand up for us.

Color me shocked.

[IowaSupport]

Understood, QA


...in any case, if I heard someone say, "Ron Paul is awesome, he wants you to control your own life....but you don't want that, because you want to be coddled, dummy." I'd be interested in Ron Paul.

Regardless of what he tried to do - I think this could be positive for us.

[isufferfromronpaulfever]

Look, Tucker could have used this opportunity, away from his msnbc bosses, to say some amazing things about Ron Paul. Instead he ambushed him. F*&#er.

You must be a Tool fan.

[drain]

i think what tucker said was great. he basically said if you are not an individual and cannot take care of yourself then don't vote ron paul. i see it as 100% reverse psychology. basically calling people who don't vote ron paul a bunch of pus$$ies.

my take anyways.
-adrian

[kylejack]

He's not that damn clever

Oh yes he is. Every single one of his interviews with Ron employs similar tactics. He starts out with a furrowed brow pretending to be skeptical and asking "hard" questions that are really just softballs, and then at the end smiles and talks about how excellent Ron Paul's answers were and how great a person he is. This is a psychological technique he's using to get his viewers to mimic. Go watch some of those interviews and you'll see what I mean. He does it over and over and over, and I don't want to hear about betrayal, because Tucker has given us more interviews than any show, and that's no coincidence.

[hard@work]

... you... youtube....

*twitches*

... you tube ....

[Question_Authority]

Tucker needs a good spanking. Where does he tape his show? NY? Washington? Is there a meetup who can go do a sign wave there and try to get through to him on his way into the studio? Let him know how we feel about his betrayal. UGH. I'm going to bed.

[Question_Authority]

You must be a Tool fan.

What does that mean?

[kylejack]

Look, Tucker could have used this opportunity, away from his msnbc bosses, to say some amazing things about Ron Paul. Instead he ambushed him. F*&#er.
Think about this really hard. The liberal audience watching the show hates Tucker with a passion. They remember very well his confrontation with Jon Stewart. Whatever he says, they're going to believe the opposite. Why would you think it would be in Ron's best interest for Tucker to say something positive? If Tucker says something positive, alarm bells go off in their head and they believe the opposite.

What he said was:
1) Fairly true
2) Excellent, strategically

[Question_Authority]

Oh yes he is. Every single one of his interviews with Ron employs similar tactics. He starts out with a furrowed brow pretending to be skeptical and asking "hard" questions that are really just softballs, and then at the end smiles and talks about how excellent Ron Paul's answers were and how great a person he is. This is a psychological technique he's using to get his viewers to mimic. Go watch some of those interviews and you'll see what I mean. He does it over and over and over, and I don't want to hear about betrayal, because Tucker has given us more interviews than any show, and that's no coincidence.


He used to be great, yes. Now he is turning on Ron Paul, behind his back. Still all smiles to his face though.

[isufferfromronpaulfever]

What does that mean?

Oh, nm. I thought your handle was in reference to one of their songs. I am a fan of the band. That's all. :)

[Mordechai Vanunu]

i think what tucker said was great. he basically said if you are not an individual and cannot take care of yourself then don't vote ron paul. i see it as 100% reverse psychology. basically calling people who don't vote ron paul a bunch of pus$$ies.

my take anyways.
-adrian

You are right, this is possible. My first instinct was to get angry at Tucker but in all likelihood he couldn't come out and openly endorse RP even if he wanted to because of his job.

[Question_Authority]

Think about this really hard. The liberal audience watching the show hates Tucker with a passion. Whatever he says, they're going to believe the opposite. Why would you think it would be in Ron's best interest for Tucker to say something positive? If Tucker says something positive, alarm bells go off in their head and they believe the opposite.

What he said was:
1) Fairly true
2) Excellent, strategically

Well, he specifically SAID that liberals would hate him. Why would any liberal then think "Hmm, maybe I'll like ROn Paul now"

[Tina]

Oh yes he is. Every single one of his interviews with Ron employs similar tactics. He starts out with a furrowed brow pretending to be skeptical and asking "hard" questions that are really just softballs, and then at the end smiles and talks about how excellent Ron Paul's answers were and how great a person he is. This is a psychological technique he's using to get his viewers to mimic. Go watch some of those interviews and you'll see what I mean. He does it over and over and over, and I don't want to hear about betrayal, because Tucker has given us more interviews than any show, and that's no coincidence.

I've watched all his interviews with Paul. I disagree with everything you just said. Mimic what?

[libertarianguy]

test

[Question_Authority]

Think about this really hard. The liberal audience watching the show hates Tucker with a passion. They remember very well his confrontation with Jon Stewart. Whatever he says, they're going to believe the opposite. Why would you think it would be in Ron's best interest for Tucker to say something positive? If Tucker says something positive, alarm bells go off in their head and they believe the opposite.

What he said was:
1) Fairly true
2) Excellent, strategically


If he was trying to be strategic, it backfired badly. The dept of education thing will never get liberals to say "Hey, let's go google Ron Paul". They hear that and immediately think Ron Paul is a harsh republican who hates kids and teachers. Please believe me. I used to be a liberal. I know what I speak of.

[paulitics]

You guys are crazy. We talk about conspiracies all the time with the media.
Well, if there is a conspiracy to help Paul out, the one guy in his corner, its been Tucker. Tucker has had him on at least 5 or 6 times, maybe more. He has mentioned him more than anyone else, and is the most libertarian. He is not betraying him. He has helped him more than anyone, even Buchanan.

[Ann Kobialka]

quit being so esoteric, he walked out and threw a bucket of water on the fire. they were ready to talk ron paul and he stopped it cold please no more well in this context he might have meant or I think he was leading the audiance to think fork that he said if people were to find out what ron paul really thinks they would hate him!!!! thats what I heard Ann I'm still pissed

[Mandrik]

He used to be great, yes. Now he is turning on Ron Paul, behind his back. Still all smiles to his face though.

I fail to see how he is betraying Ron Paul here. He basically said "People aren't ready to take care of themselves, including the folks who are out there supporting Ron Paul today." I'm by no means a Tucker fan (I cheered at the TV when Stewart owned his ass on Crossfire), but I really believe that Tucker knows what he is doing. As has been said in this thread, his audience tonight probably doesn't like him at all, so why not throw a bit of the reverse psychology at them? If he comes out in support of RP, people will think of him when they think of RP, and that's probably not a good thing if they already hate Tucker.

[Question_Authority]

You are right, this is possible. My first instinct was to get angry at Tucker but in all likelihood he couldn't come out and openly endorse RP even if he wanted to because of his job.

But there is no need to trash him either! Or denegrate his current supporters!!

[kylejack]

I've watched all his interviews with Paul. I disagree with everything you just said.
I said that he starts every interview with a furrowed brow. You disagree with that? I said that he asks softball questions that Ron Paul can knock out of the park. You disagree with that? I said that he closes the interview saying positive things about Ron Paul. You disagree with that?

If you disagree with everything I just said, you honestly have no idea what you are talking about and need to watch those videos again.

[Tina]

kylejack that makes no sense. Bill M's audience is not anti Paul

[Question_Authority]

I fail to see how he is betraying Ron Paul here. He basically said "People aren't ready to take care of themselves, including the folks who are out there supporting Ron Paul today." I'm by no means a Tucker fan (I cheered at the TV when Stewart owned his ass on Crossfire), but I really believe that Tucker knows what he is doing. As has been said in this thread, his audience tonight probably doesn't like him at all, so why not throw a bit of the reverse psychology at them? If he comes out in support of RP, people will think of him when they think of RP, and that's probably not a good thing if they already hate Tucker.


Could have done it in a much better way. OR he could have just been neutral and let Bill and Joy say good things about him.

[Tina]

I said that he starts every interview with a furrowed brow. You disagree with that? I said that he asks softball questions that Ron Paul can knock out of the park. You disagree with that? I said that he closes the interview saying positive things about Ron Paul. You disagree with that?

If you disagree with everything I just said, you honestly have no idea what you are talking about and need to watch those videos again.

I said mimic what?

[Mandrik]

Could have done it in a much better way. OR he could have just been neutral and let Bill and Joy say good things about him.

Tucker isn't the kind of guy to sit there and be quiet about anything. He loves to blab too much.

[terlinguatx]

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[dircha]

Why are some of you people fawning over Tucker's every word? "Do you think he likes us?! Do you think??"

Tucker is a worthless media schmuck. He is slime.

He is a hack. Don't give him another minute of your attention.

Ron Paul will win or lose by OUR efforts. No one is going to carry water for us. These cable backwaters don't have viewership worth caring about anyhow; they're nobodies.

It's up to US alone whether we get the message out.

[brumans]

I lost my respect for Tucker tonight.
He said If people knew what Ron Paul actually stood for they wouldn't like him. He is a radical, he wants to eliminate the department of education.

[kickzman]

Think about this really hard. The liberal audience watching the show hates Tucker with a passion. They remember very well his confrontation with Jon Stewart. Whatever he says, they're going to believe the opposite. Why would you think it would be in Ron's best interest for Tucker to say something positive? If Tucker says something positive, alarm bells go off in their head and they believe the opposite.

What he said was:
1) Fairly true
2) Excellent, strategically

Its gr8t he might fool his bosses, but guess what the average American is about 10 times dummer than his bosses...

[Question_Authority]

You guys are crazy. We talk about conspiracies all the time with the media.
Well, if there is a conspiracy to help Paul out, the one guy in his corner, its been Tucker. Tucker has had him on at least 5 or 6 times, maybe more. He has mentioned him more than anyone else, and is the most libertarian. He is not betraying him. He has helped him more than anyone, even Buchanan.

But he has CHANGED. My son and I both noticed it. A distinctive shift in how he began speaking about Ron Paul. Last week's segment about the $5M was disgusting. He completely insulted RP supporters and led people to believe RP was recklessly planning on eliminating departments. (throwing them into the Potomac) without explaing the benefits of this.

[kylejack]

I said mimic what?
Tucker knows that people are going to be skeptical of Ron's ideas, so he starts out mirroring their stance. He asks questions to let Ron explain himself and at the end of the interview he acts as if Ron has totally convinced him and as if Ron is a swell guy to sway his audience to think the same. This is a psychological technique known as mirroring that can be used to sway someone's opinion.

[terlinguatx]

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[dircha]

I lost my respect for Tucker tonight.
He said If people knew what Ron Paul actually stood for they wouldn't like him. He is a radical, he wants to eliminate the department of education.

Tucker should never have had any of your respect to lose.

Seriously, don't waste another minute of your life watching this schmuck.

He's the same as he always was; he's the same pathetic slime he was on Crossfire.

[Ron Paul Fan]

Why are you guys pissed at Tucker? He can say and do what he wants. It's not like him saying what he did to a liberal audience is going to lose Ron Paul the election. I didn't even think what he said was that bad. What Tucker says doesn't even really matter to most people! If you ask people about Tucker Carlson they'll probably either not know who he is or they'll remember that he's the schmuck who Jon Stewart owned. We need to stop fretting day in and day night about all of these talk show hosts and every little thing that they say.

[RP08]

Is RON PAUL some kind of hot potato that everyone wants passed to them, but they won't hold it, or something? That intro to the "panel" was horrible. Good, bad, indifferent things said, but nobody cared to follow through with a single thing they stated. I, as a staunch RP supporter now, was left confused in the whirlpool of rhetoric. WTF... is all I'm left with. How's that millions-wide audience doing now? How yoo doin'?

[Mordechai Vanunu]

Tucker did just denounce interventionism, and said we should "listen to the libertarians" and only use military when we absolutely have to.

[isufferfromronpaulfever]

Why are you guys pissed at Tucker? He can say and do what he wants. It's not like him saying what he did to a liberal audience is going to lose Ron Paul the election. I didn't even think what he said was that bad. What Tucker says doesn't even really matter to most people! If you ask people about Tucker Carlson they'll probably either not know who he is or they'll remember that he's the schmuck who Jon Stewart owned. We need to stop fretting day in and day night about all of these talk show hosts and every little thing that they say.

You hit the nail right on the head. It's not the end of the world! Lighten up, take it from where it comes and move on! jeesh!

[dircha]

Tucker knows that people are going to be skeptical of Ron's ideas, so he starts out mirroring their stance. He asks questions to let Ron explain himself and at the end of the interview he acts as if Ron has totally convinced him and as if Ron is a swell guy to sway his audience to think the same. This is a psychological technique known as mirroring that can be used to sway someone's opinion.

Tucker is not engaged in any top-secret, subversive campaign to support Ron Paul.

What he says is just what he means. And he says it for the same reason he has any said anything in his life: because it gets ratings.

He says what he thinks his audience wants to hear.

[Mandrik]

Why are you guys pissed at Tucker? He can say and do what he wants. It's not like him saying what he did to a liberal audience is going to lose Ron Paul the election. I didn't even think what he said was that bad. What Tucker says doesn't even really matter to most people! If you ask people about Tucker Carlson they'll probably either not know who he is or they'll remember that he's the schmuck who Jon Stewart owned. We need to stop fretting day in and day night about all of these talk show hosts and every little thing that they say.

Well said.

Lets face it--they talked about how retarded all the Repubs were at the debate, then showed RP owning them all in his best clip from the debate. They could have just completely ignored him for the night. We got some good coverage right off the bat. Just be happy with that, regardless of what was said. At least they took the time to talk about him and show him!

[drain]

no one on that panel was a paul fan besides tucker, that is the issue. they are all way left liberals. they are only together with paul in his stance for the war, which is why the issue was brought up in the first place. tucker was slighting them without allowing them to counter, because by countering they would play right into his logic trap.

[Question_Authority]

Why are you guys pissed at Tucker? He can say and do what he wants. It's not like him saying what he did to a liberal audience is going to lose Ron Paul the election. I didn't even think what he said was that bad. What Tucker says doesn't even really matter to most people! If you ask people about Tucker Carlson they'll probably either not know who he is or they'll remember that he's the schmuck who Jon Stewart owned. We need to stop fretting day in and day night about all of these talk show hosts and every little thing that they say.

Bottom line: Most people watch the mainstream media and are influenced by it. There is already a lot of bad press about ROn Paul from people who do not understand him. We need all the friends we can get. We thought Tucker was a friend. And he betrayed Ron Paul tonight.

GOODNIGHT!

[brumans]

We should start a chip-in and deliver him a cake that says "Fuck You" on it.

[V4Vendetta]

Tucker - A Non-friend - Friend

[Tina]

Tucker knows that people are going to be skeptical of Ron's ideas, so he starts out mirroring their stance. He asks questions to let Ron explain himself and at the end of the interview he acts as if Ron has totally convinced him and as if Ron is a swell guy to sway his audience to think the same. This is a psychological technique known as mirroring that can be used to sway someone's opinion.

Oh, he does not!! He does not act as if Ron has convinced him. I know what mirroring is and that's not it. geez

[torchbearer]

Actually Tucker sounds like an old bitter Libertarian now that I think about it.... So Apathetic he dismisses his own candidate.

[Hope]

Well said.

Lets face it--they talked about how retarded all the Repubs were at the debate, then showed RP owning them all in his best clip from the debate. They could have just completely ignored him for the night. We got some good coverage right off the bat. Just be happy with that, regardless of what was said. At least they took the time to talk about him and show him!

You're ignoring the fact that it was Tucker's sarcastic, cutting remarks that cut their coverage of that topic short. They were fully prepared to keep discussing it, then Tucker started yelling about Ron Paul being a "radical" who they should "hate."

[steph3n]

from what I understand and read online, that would be par, maybe even birdie :)


Actually Tucker sounds like an old bitter Libertarian now that I think about it.... So Apathetic he dismisses his own candidate.

[terlinguatx]

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[Vaughn]

Clearly, Tucker is expressing his opinion. He likes Ron Paul but thinks his supporters are uninformed on his policies. We all know this is not the case. Still, this is Tuckers opinion. I wish there was a way to show him that we really do understand and embrace the philosophy of liberty.

[Question_Authority]

We should start a chip-in and deliver him a cake that says "Fuck You" on it.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!! Help, I am trying to go to bed..........LLOLOLOL

[terlinguatx]

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[dircha]

Oh, he does not!! He does not act as if Ron has convinced him. I know what mirroring is and that's not it. geez

Thank you. Some of these people are just being pathetic. This is nuts. Fawning over a schmuck like Tucker.

Tucker is no friend of ours. He's no different than he's ever been.

[Vaughn]

Actually Tucker sounds like an old bitter Libertarian now that I think about it.... So Apathetic he dismisses his own candidate.

Dead on.

[Mandrik]

Exactly, that's what really ticked me off. Bill had a nice clip of Paul prepared and some sensible comments

If you guys really want RP to build some support from the Maher crowd, then he needs to go back on the show. Put him on the panel for the whole show this time. I'm sure he's game. Hell, maybe it's already planned.

[Question_Authority]

Clearly, Tucker is expressing his opinion. He likes Ron Paul but thinks his supporters are uninformed on his policies. We all know this is not the case. Still, this is Tuckers opinion. I wish there was a way to show him that we really do understand and embrace the philosophy of liberty.

The irony is RP supporters are generally the MOST informed! He is the thinking man's candidate (and woman's of course).

SHEESH!

[Tina]

Thank you. Some of these people are just being pathetic. This is nuts. Fawning over a schmuck like Tucker.

Tucker is no friend of ours. He's no different than he's ever been.
. Everyone here should know that.
It's shocking actually that they don't.

[rajibo]

Regardless of how you feel about Tucker's performance, Bill Maher portrayed Ron Paul as the ONLY SANE REPUBLICAN running for President.

That's pretty good, and he got a clip.

[brumans]

Admin note- temp ban lifted with apology and note that comment was a bad joke.

[LibertyEagle]

Well, brumans, that is a good way to get the FBI over here. Congratulations.

[steph3n]

Well, brumans, that is a good way to get the FBI over here. Congratulations.

They are already watching :)

[kylejack]

Oh, he does not!! He does not act as if Ron has convinced him. I know what mirroring is and that's not it. geez

One interview finale: "That's right. Amen. You know, I hope you can come on regular for just a tutorial on what it means to be free. Dr. Paul, I really appreciate you coming on with that great explanation."

Another interview finale: "I agree. When your operating philosophy is 'please don't bother me and I'll try my best not to bother you', there's nothing embarrassing about that, and I wish more people would articulate it better. Ron Paul, you articulate it well and I appreciate you coming on. Thank you."

So uh, I guess I don't see how you can make the argument that Tucker doesn't end any of his interviews pretending to have been convinced by Ron.

[LibertyEagle]

Yes, but this is the 2nd time he has said that no one would be supporting him, if they really knew what he stood for. Now, why would he say that. He's smart enough to know that this isn't going to help Paul. :(

[kylejack]

I don't know, I'm thinking its entirely possible that the whole thing was a scheme cooked up by the four of them. I'm just imagining the average Bill Maher liberal watching the show and hearing some stuff about Ron Paul, and saying "Hm, interesting...." and then Tucker comes in yelling about what liberals should do and I can just imagine that liberal saying, "DAMN YOU, TUCKER! I'M GOING TO GO VOTE FOR RON PAUL NOW." If they cooked this up, that would make this the most brilliant segment ever.

[Taco John]

Actually Tucker sounds like an old bitter Libertarian now that I think about it.... So Apathetic he dismisses his own candidate.



I actually had to get one of these old bitter libertarians stoked back up again... It took some effort, but it worked!

[Hope]

Yes, but this is the 2nd time he has said that no one would be supporting him, if they really knew what he stood for. Now, why would he say that. He's smart enough to know that this isn't going to help Paul. :(

Exactly. Especially since neither time he hasn't been inclined to actually educate the people he thinks are ignorant about Ron Paul. Simply saying Ron Paul would get rid of the Dept. of Education is clearly working against Ron Paul's candidacy.

[torchbearer]

Actually Tucker sounds like an old bitter Libertarian now that I think about it.... So Apathetic he dismisses his own candidate.

If you know an apathetic Libertarain, you know what i'm talking about....

[torchbearer]

I actually had to get one of these old bitter libertarians stoked back up again... It took some effort, but it worked!

I've been working on 3... they are starting to come around...

[Tina]

One interview finale: "That's right. Amen. You know, I hope you can come on regular for just a tutorial on what it means to be free. Dr. Paul, I really appreciate you coming on with that great explanation."

Another interview finale: "I agree. When your operating philosophy is 'please don't bother me and I'll try my best not to bother you', there's nothing embarrassing about that, and I wish more people would articulate it better. Ron Paul, you articulate it well and I appreciate you coming on. Thank you."

So uh, I guess I don't see how you can make the argument that Tucker doesn't end any of his interviews pretending to have been convinced by Ron.

That's not acting like he was convinced, it simply sounds like he is in agreement with that particular philosophy. Nothing more.

[kylejack]

Exactly. Especially since neither time he hasn't been inclined to actually educate the people he thinks are ignorant about Ron Paul. Simply saying Ron Paul would get rid of the Dept. of Education is clearly working against Ron Paul's candidacy.

Except for all the interviews that he has had of Paul where he lets him articulate his policies and educate people about them that fly directly in the face of your accusations.

[Mandrik]

Just don't sweat it, guys. RP had a great day today with his CSPAN and PBS coverage. I have a feeling more people watched those shows than Maher's.

[Hope]

I don't know, I'm thinking its entirely possible that the whole thing was a scheme cooked up by the four of them. I'm just imagining the average Bill Maher liberal watching the show and hearing some stuff about Ron Paul, and saying "Hm, interesting...." and then Tucker comes in yelling about what liberals should do and I can just imagine that liberal saying, "DAMN YOU, TUCKER! I'M GOING TO GO VOTE FOR RON PAUL NOW." If they cooked this up, that would make this the most brilliant segment ever.

WTF. No liberal is going to say, "I'm going to go Google/vote/have confidence in the man you said wants to abolish the Department of Education!"

And if it was an intentional scheme, for that purpose Tucker shouldn't have said he voted for him in '88.

Though the whole idea of it being contrived to actually gain more supporters is pretty laughable...

[kylejack]

That's not acting like he was convinced, it simply sounds like he is in agreement with that particular philosophy. Nothing more.

Whatever, Tina.

[ItsTime]

Agreed


Actually Tucker sounds like an old bitter Libertarian now that I think about it.... So Apathetic he dismisses his own candidate.

[Tina]

I don't know, I'm thinking its entirely possible that the whole thing was a scheme cooked up by the four of them. I'm just imagining the average Bill Maher liberal watching the show and hearing some stuff about Ron Paul, and saying "Hm, interesting...." and then Tucker comes in yelling about what liberals should do and I can just imagine that liberal saying, "DAMN YOU, TUCKER! I'M GOING TO GO VOTE FOR RON PAUL NOW." If they cooked this up, that would make this the most brilliant segment ever.

I'm sorry but that is really silly to me. I see your problem now though you think all liberals think like neo-cons. At least I understand now.

[kylejack]

WTF. No liberal is going to say, "I'm going to go Google/vote/have confidence in the man you said wants to abolish the Department of Education!"
Well, something's spiking the traffic. I'd like to think that the PBS interview plus this mention had something to do with that.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?site0=www.ronpaul2008.com&y=r&z=3&h=300&w=610&range=1m&size=Medium&url=www.ronpaul2008.com

[Eric21ND]

quit being so esoteric, he walked out and threw a bucket of water on the fire. they were ready to talk ron paul and he stopped it cold

Very true. Ron Paul was brought up within the first minute or so, and then Tucker ended the conversation...period. It ended on a horrible note everyone mumbling "yeah I don't agree with him on everything either". Which totally besides the fucking point. The only person you're going to agree with 100% is yourself.

[Hope]

Well, something's spiking the traffic. I'd like to think that the PBS interview plus this mention had something to do with that.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?site0=www.ronpaul2008.com&y=r&z=3&h=300&w=610&range=1m&size=Medium&url=www.ronpaul2008.com

Perhaps, but with the Bill Maher episode, the traffic will be spiking in spite of what Tucker said and not because of it.

[KewlRonduderules]

Yeah, I saw the show. He really shut down any further conversation about Ron Paul. What a D!CK !!!


At least the other guests and Bill Maher were trying to minimize his harmful words.

[Noog]

I always thought when someone says "I like the guy, but I don't agree with him on everything" means they really like him, but are a little bit ashamed/embarrassed to.

[atilla]

Clearly, Tucker is expressing his opinion. He likes Ron Paul but thinks his supporters are uninformed on his policies. We all know this is not the case. Still, this is Tuckers opinion. I wish there was a way to show him that we really do understand and embrace the philosophy of liberty.

i don't know, i saw a guy on a gun board push ron paul for weeks, then he posts saying that george w bush was the best president in his lifetime, and the guy was well over 40. haven't seen much of him in a while, maybe he got bored and moved on, or maybe he read some of ron paul's writing and he didn't live up to his hero george w.

seriously, this really happened, ron paul, ron paul, ron paul, george w bush is the greatest president in my lifetime.

[literatim]

Absolutely no host off any mainstream media station is our friend. They have all sold their souls to the enemy.

[sunghoko]

Yes, but this is the 2nd time he has said that no one would be supporting him, if they really knew what he stood for. Now, why would he say that. He's smart enough to know that this isn't going to help Paul. :(

I was truly disappointed when he said this. Tucker limited Paul's appeal by whittling down potential supporters. It makes Tucker sound like a total elitist. His message is for all and can convert those who have a contrarian viewpoint.

The show started off so strong, with that clip of Paul talking about Romney but things spiraled down pretty quickly.

[Noog]

Absolutely no host off any mainstream media station is our friend. They have all sold their souls to the enemy.

True. Take the complements when they give them, but don't expect anything of them. They are paid to say whatever it takes to get people to watch, whatever that might be.

[Spirit of '76]

Tucker is brilliant.

This is a perfect usage of reverse psychology. If he keeps this up, you can bet that lots more people are going to be looking into what Ron says.

[sunghoko]

Did Behar ask if Paul was pro-choice?

[terlinguatx]

...

[Tina]

Yes.

[Johncjackson]

A lot of people here want to attack EVERYBODY who isn't 100% in agreement with RP or fawning over him. This is not productive. In order for him to have any support at all for POTUS, he will have to have the support of a LOT of people who disagree with up to half of his stances.

I honestly doubt that more than 1% of voters would agree with RP on every major issue. I should know because I have been one of the < 1% my whole life, and it's been pretty lonely out here ( before supporting Paul became "fasionable" anyway, lol).

It's bad enough to be labeled "kooks" and conspiracy nuts, but some Paul supporters look for any single perceived slight ( often a result of their own lack of reading comprehension) in any mention of Ron Paul. When someone almost completely supports RP or writes things like " Ron Paul is a fine gentlemen with good ideas, but he is a longshot"- wow, the Attack machine goes into overdrive.

You normal don't convince people by attacking them. you are more likely to turn-off a potential friend. It is more productive, IMHO, to engage with someone who is 50-60% in a friendly manner rather than writing them off.

As for the Maher show and Tucker specifically...

There were people in this thread saying how much they hate maher? WTF. This guy mentions Ron Paul in a POSITIVE way in every show since the 2nd debate. he leadoff the panel portion of the show criticizing ALL Republicans, except Ron Paul. The he showed a clip showing him as the only sane Republican. He could have ignored him completely. He could have just mentioned the Romney gaffe and moved on or played up the Giuliani vs. Romney match ( like 99% of media). But he made a point to show RP as the best Republican.

Now, maher ( in response to Tucker) said he didnt agree with Paul on some things. Boo f-ing Hoo. 99% of people will NEVER agree with RP on everything ( and if you think so you live in dream world). The only way to "win" , either in the election or "the movement" is to have a big-tent of supporters who agree on the issues with the most urgency and priority- such as The WAR. No matter how much "marketing" or "educating" to the masses goes on, people are not going to magically all be libertarian-Republican sound-money, free market, pro-life, non-interventionists. But you can get enough people to agree on some version of a "peaceful freedom message.'

Now Tucker.. He did seem to stop the conversation. Maher and Behar may have said more positive things otherwise.

Tucker reminds of an Indy music fan. I'm sure you have a friend like this, or perhaps YOU are this person. You became a fan of a musician/band/artist when you saw them play at a small club or found them on Napster. Over the next few years you buy all their albums ( that you had to buy online or at their shows because they dont have a major label deal) and see their shows whenever they play within 100 miles of where you live. Then several years later, you read that they signed a deal with one of the major labels. They are gonna work with some big budget producers, have "singles", and even a video sent to MTV. At some point this band becomes popular. Teenyboppers know their latest video/single " The Leave Iraq Jam".. The band becomes popular. You are a "real fan". Why did they "sell out"? These kids only like them because of the single on MTV. You say "Hey kids. You aren't a real fan. I've been down with The Ron Paul Project since '88. You may like the cute video and songs about the war, but I have their first single "The Federal Reserve Blues" on VINYL. Shouldnt you be listening to Nickelback or Justn timberlake or something? You don't know what the band REALLY stands for. You are just a poser. You wouldn't like them so much if you knew in 1993 they had a song about dismantling the school lunch program, would you?"

[Spirit of '76]

Yes, but this is the 2nd time he has said that no one would be supporting him, if they really knew what he stood for. Now, why would he say that. He's smart enough to know that this isn't going to help Paul. :(

Actually, you'll note that when he says something like that, it's always in association with the idea that people today wouldn't like Ron because they're conditioned to socialism and want the government to run their lives.

Deep inside most Americans there is a profound antipathy to that notion. Tucker is planting the suggestion that Ron Paul is the only one who isn't a socialist and doesn't want to run their lives.

He also slyly keeps suggesting that people find out what Ron has to say, but he doesn't flesh it out himself. He therefore leaves no room for misinterpretation, but leaves the viewer with a desire to go and find out what he's talking about.

It's very clever.

[LibertyEagle]

Actually, you'll note that when he says something like that, it's always in association with the idea that people today wouldn't like Ron because they're conditioned to socialism and want the government to run their lives.



Did he say this, this time? I missed the first part of the show. I'm waiting up until midnight so I can see it.

[Hope]

Did Behar ask if Paul was pro-choice?

Yep, because that's probably the only issue aside from the war she really cares about.

[Tina]

Did he say this, this time? I missed the first part of the show. I'm waiting up until midnight so I can see it.

No he didn't say that.

[terlinguatx]

...

[Nash]

I plan on watching the show when it airs here so I haven't seen it yet.

However, last time when Tucker said this stuff on his MSNBC show his tongue was firmly planted in his cheek when he stated that the American people don't want freedom and prosperity and would rather have a socialist police state so they probably shouldn't vote for Ron Paul.

And then the whole board freaked out and I watched the clip and realized everyone was making much ado about nothing.

It sounds like it's happening again.

I guess I'll see for myself when it airs and I'll come back and post here again.

[Spirit of '76]

Did he say this, this time? I missed the first part of the show. I'm waiting up until midnight so I can see it.

I haven't seen this clip yet, but that's how Mordechai Vanunu described it here:
http://ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=267919&postcount=26

[aksmith]

I just finished watching the show, and I don't understand the people who thought Tucker wasn't dumping on Ron Paul. Tucker laid a giant turd right on the discussion then sat there with a big grin on his face.

He is yet one more jagoff who simply is an entertainer. He is calling Ron Paul a fad and saying nothing more flattering than Glen Beck does when he calls him the mayor of crazy town.

But if Joy Beyhar was being serious, does this mean they've asked Ron Paul to be on the View and he declined? That would be a seriously dumb move. Someone should call the campaign and urge them to talk to that huge huge huge anti-war audience. And if being pro-life is a problem, one of the View girls is also pro-life.

Oh yeah, Tucker=Turd. I lost any respect I used to have for him. And he acted like a complete tool the entire show.

[literatim]

If you're upset, donate.

https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/

[Hope]

I haven't seen this clip yet, but that's how Mordechai Vanunu described it here:
http://ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=267919&postcount=26

That doesn't mention Joy so I'm not sure how it's related. I have to disagree with Mordechai, though, because both Bill and Joy had positive things to say about Ron Paul before Tucker started doing his teenage goth girl tantrum about how no one understands Ron Paul. Tucker didn't say all those things Mordechai mentioned -- the "i.e." part. He said even though he supports Ron Paul and voted for him in 88, Ron Paul is a radical, he'd abolish the Dept of Education and it's just "trendy" to like Ron Paul...if they knew more about him, they'd HATE him. *thumbs up* Thanks, Tucker.

Bill and Joy had said good things about Ron Paul before that. Bill said "It was like a scene from the Twilight Zone where Ron Paul was the only sane one on the stage..." and Joy said, "Yeah, good for him!" They didn't get a chance to say more because Tucker cut in like an ex girlfriend showing up at a happy couple's engagement party.

[Spirit of '76]

Is this on Youtube yet? I need to see it for myself.

Far too often people here have reacted negatively to what are actually very psychologically sophisticated gestures of support.

Of course, if they were transparent, they wouldn't be nearly as effective. :)

I'll need to see this for myself before I jump on the Tucker=Turd bandwagon.

[Johncjackson]

But if Joy Beyhar was being serious, does this mean they've asked Ron Paul to be on the View and he declined? That would be a seriously dumb move. Someone should call the campaign and urge them to talk to that huge huge huge anti-war audience. And if being pro-life is a problem, one of the View girls is also pro-life..

A good point I think a lot of us missed. Behar said that they invited all the GOP candidates and they wouldn't come on. I wonder if Paul was invited, and if not, why not. And if not, call her out on the whole " We invited them all but they wouldn't come on" thing.

If he turned it down, not a good move.

As far as the Pro-Life "girl", I am assuming that is Hasselbeck. She is huge pro-war Hannity type conservative. I am pretty sure she opposes RP passionately based on The War. Pro-life is hardly going to matter in the situation.

ROn Paul needs a lot of support from people who are pro-Choice but anti-war- which includes a lot of liberals and libertarians and everything in between. It's going to depend on what the real issues are, rather than the distractions that tear us apart.

[Spirit of '76]

That doesn't mention Joy so I'm not sure how it's related.

I was actually responding to LibertyEagle's question. The quote button is doing weird things tonight. I noticed it another guy's posts in a different thread, but I just thought he was drunk. Now I know it's something else. ;)

[Hope]

I was actually responding to LibertyEagle's question. The quote button is doing weird things tonight. I noticed it another guy's posts in a different thread, but I just thought he was drunk. Now I know it's something else. ;)

Oh! Sorry about that!

[terlinguatx]

...

[Tina]

Actually, you'll note that when he says something like that, it's always in association with the idea that people today wouldn't like Ron because they're conditioned to socialism and want the government to run their lives.

Deep inside most Americans there is a profound antipathy to that notion. Tucker is planting the suggestion that Ron Paul is the only one who isn't a socialist and doesn't want to run their lives.

He also slyly keeps suggesting that people find out what Ron has to say, but he doesn't flesh it out himself. He therefore leaves no room for misinterpretation, but leaves the viewer with a desire to go and find out what he's talking about.

It's very clever.

He is not slyly doing anything. He leaves a lot of room for misinterpretation and does not leave the viewer with a desire to find out what he's talking about, where is this coming from. This is such twisted thinking I don't even know what to say.

[Spirit of '76]

He said even though he supports Ron Paul and voted for him in 88, Ron Paul is a radical

A lot of people in this country are looking for a radical change from the status quo.


he'd abolish the Dept of Education

What? Why would Ron Paul want to abolish the Dept. of Education? I'd better look into this... ;)


and it's just "trendy" to like Ron Paul...

It's trendy? I've hardly heard of this guy. What am I missing out on here? Am I the last one on my block to know about him, or what? I'd better look into this... ;)


See?

[Hope]

A lot of people in this country are looking for a radical change from the status quo.



What? Why would Ron Paul want to abolish the Dept. of Education? I'd better look into this... ;)



It's trendy? I've hardly heard of this guy. What am I missing out on here? Am I the last one on my block to know about him, or what? I'd better look into this... ;)


See?


Hold onto that wishful thinking. It'll get you far in life.

[Noog]

I thought I read somewhere that RP was invited to the View. I wonder why he didn't go?

[hard@work]

I'm reserving my opinion until I see it. Naysayers - you better not be overreacting.

[kylejack]

Hold onto that wishful thinking. It'll get you far in life.
Come on, live your username!

What can't be denied is that no media figure is doing more to get Ron Paul mentioned on their show than Tucker Carlson. Nobody has even come close to having as many interviews with him.

[Tina]

Hold onto that wishful thinking. It'll get you far in life.

No one sees except 76 it seems. Wishful thinking will get you every time.

[huchahucha]

Here is a little exercise for you all - Let’s pretend we have traveled a few years into the future. It is Friday night, Bill Maher’s show is still on HBO and the same guests that were on tonight’s show are appearing again in the future to bitch and moan about how much they hate President Ron Paul’s domestic policies. Well, actually everybody is bitching and moaning except Tucker Carlson, who has always agreed just about 100% with Ron Paul.
Here is the simple fact: if Bill Maher or any other celebrity were actually going to join the Ron Paul Revolution, they would have already done so proudly. Aside for ending Iraq, the liberals absolutely despise everything Ron Paul stands for. All Tucker did tonight was to go out into Liberal Central and say that out in the open.
That point was excellently made when Joy suddenly shut up once she found out Ron Paul is not unequivocally "pro choice". Why did she have to ask Bill Maher Ron Paul's abortion stance? If she was actually following Ron Paul she would have already known.

The real disgrace tonight was Bill Maher orally massaging Vicente Fox’s genitals

[Hope]

Come on, live your username!

What can't be denied is that no media figure is doing more to get Ron Paul mentioned on their show than Tucker Carlson. Nobody has even come close to having as many interviews with him.

That doesn't give him magical amnesty for killing the Ron Paul buzz on Real Time. Bill had obviously intended to make it a hearty segment, he'd prepared a clip and the conversation seemed to be going strong until Tucker rang the bell on it. I think Tucker let his dislike for the other people on the show become more important than his concern for Ron Paul's candidacy. He saw a chance to shut them up and "win" at something, so he took it.

No jokes about my name, please. I've only been taking flack for it since, oh, first grade. :P

[Noog]

That point was excellently made when Joy suddenly shut up once she found out Ron Paul is not unequivocally "pro choice". Why did she have to ask Bill Maher Ron Paul's abortion stance? If she was actually following Ron Paul she would have already known.

And here we thought she was a big RP fan. What a waste of flowers.

[hard@work]

Here is a little exercise for you all - Let’s pretend we have traveled a few years into the future.

This was an awesome idea! Thank you! I fully enjoyed basking in the sunshine at the Black Sea as I worked out an import deal with some friends of mine in Bulgaria under the new deregulated free market given to us by President Paul. Unfortunately there wasn't a really strong market for Rakia, Americans thought of it more as the "malt liqour" of vodka. But I didn't invest too much and did manage to pickup a few other business contacts on my way back through Switzerland.

Time travel is awesome.

[Spirit of '76]

Hold onto that wishful thinking. It'll get you far in life.

Yeah. After all, I've got hope for America. ;)

Step outside yourself as a hardcore Ron Paul supporter and try to look at Tucker's performance from the point of view of someone who doesn't really know much about Ron Paul.

If it's anything like his past performances (which people here also threw a hissy fit over), I guarantee you new people will be investigating Ron after watching it.

And if you're upset that he was being adversarial, keep in mind that plenty of people in this world have successfully achieved their objectives by actively cultivating people's antipathy toward themselves.

[Hope]

Here is a little exercise for you all - Let’s pretend we have traveled a few years into the future. It is Friday night, Bill Maher’s show is still on HBO and the same guests that were on tonight’s show are appearing again in the future to bitch and moan about how much they hate President Ron Paul’s domestic policies. Well, actually everybody is bitching and moaning except Tucker Carlson, who has always agreed just about 100% with Ron Paul.
Here is the simple fact: if Bill Maher or any other celebrity were actually going to join the Ron Paul Revolution, they would have already done so proudly. Aside for ending Iraq, the liberals absolutely despise everything Ron Paul stands for. All Tucker did tonight was to go out into Liberal Central and say that out in the open.
That point was excellently made when Joy suddenly shut up once she found out Ron Paul is not unequivocally "pro choice". Why did she have to ask Bill Maher Ron Paul's abortion stance? If she was actually following Ron Paul she would have already known.

The real disgrace tonight was Bill Maher orally massaging Vicente Fox’s genitals

You're not getting it. We know Bill and Joy aren't going to vote for Ron Paul. And we know they don't agree with his other policies.

But telling them to basically STFU does not help us. Because Tucker brought this to a head so angrily, pretty much saying Ron Paul is such a bad man that Joy thought to ask about Ron's abortion stance...we may just have lost her support.

Support doesn't always come in the form of pulling a lever in the voting booth. It's mentioning Ron Paul on air, getting his name out there. Tucker compromised that unequivocally. It COULD have been an overall positive segment that lasted twice as long as it did with Tucker's outburst...it could have focused on the things everyone there could all agree on: Ron's message of personal liberties and fiscal responsibility, both of which Republicans pay lip service to but don't follow these days. Instead, he used Ron Paul as a divisive TOOL just to one-up the other panelists in a really superficial way. That's what makes me upset.

[Spirit of '76]

This was an awesome idea! Thank you! I fully enjoyed basking in the sunshine at the Black Sea as I worked out an import deal with some friends of mine in Bulgaria under the new deregulated free market given to us by President Paul. Unfortunately there wasn't a really strong market for Rakia, Americans thought of it more as the "malt liqour" of vodka. But I didn't invest too much and did manage to pickup a few other business contacts on my way back through Switzerland.

Time travel is awesome.

lol

[Tina]

Watching again. Tucker thinks a war tax is a good idea.

[hard@work]

Do I need to remind you people that Tucker wore a flippin bow tie?!?

[libertarianguy]

test

[hard@work]

murray rothbard wore a bow tie


Yeah but Rothbard is the quintessence of style. He could wear a toupee and it'd be a smash hit in France next year.

[huchahucha]

Watching again. Tucker thinks a war tax is a good idea.

But he also thinks the war is a bad idea. He sort of cancels himself out

[Nash]

But he also thinks the war is a bad idea. He sort of cancels himself out

I think that's kinda the point he was making. If you advocate a tax for war, then people don't want war.

[LibertyEagle]

I just saw it and I didn't think it was that bad. And you were right Spirit, he did do what you said.

[Tina]

But he also thinks the war is a bad idea. He sort of cancels himself out

That is what a liar does.

[Spirit of '76]

Bowties are classic.

[Spirit of '76]

I just saw it and I didn't think it was that bad. And you were right Spirit, he did do what you said.

Thanks. I'm looking forward to the youtube.

As I said, Tucker's very clever, and his techniques are very subtle -- so subtle, in fact, that those of us who are always on the watch for the faintest sign of a slight in the media are ready to leap all over him when he pulls something like this. But again, if it were transparent to everyone, it wouldn't be as effective.

[Ron Paul Fan]

I can't believe people are still bitching about this. Do you know how many times talk show pundits have spoken badly about Ron Paul so far? Numerous and look where we're at now. And here we are fixated on what Tucker Carlson said on a Friday night on a show that airs on a premium station in front of a liberal audience! Tucker Carlson! Not many people outside of this forum give a shit about what Tucker Carlson says! They don't know who he is or they think he's a douchebag and that Jon Stewart was right! This is not the end of the campaign and it won't be the reason Ron Paul doesn't get elected. The reason he won't get elected is if we get so enamored with what Tucker has to say that we lose sight of our real strategic interests! Donate and spread the word! You can't control what Tucker says so why worry about it?

[libertarianguy]

test

[huchahucha]

You're not getting it. We know Bill and Joy aren't going to vote for Ron Paul. And we know they don't agree with his other policies.

But telling them to basically STFU does not help us. Because Tucker brought this to a head so angrily, pretty much saying Ron Paul is such a bad man that Joy thought to ask about Ron's abortion stance...we may just have lost her support.

But you are making Tucker's point with this arguement. If I'm reading this right it sounds like you are saying it is good to keep ignorant people like Joy in the dark and try to trick them into supporting Ron Paul.

[adpierce]

I hate to say this, but the truth that Ron Paul isn't just an anti-war republican candidate is bound to come out. People in the media are going to start learning that he takes stances on policies which most people either think (because they're naive) are things we should keep (Dept. of Education) or have no clue about and don't know why are bad things (Federal Reserve). We need all the support we can get but imagine if Ron Paul won the nomination, what would happen then? He would go under the microscope even more than now and if people who voted for him in the primary thought he was one thing that he really wasn't who they thought then they might be inclined to vote in another direction.

I'm just saying there's no point to hiding the more unpopular aspects of Dr. Paul's platform. He doesn't hide them, he boldly talks about things like his stance on the federal reserve despite almost no respect for his viewpoint. (Besides from we Paulites). Maybe Tucker was just pointing out that what these people like about Ron Paul was just a sliver of who Ron Paul is and what he represents and if they really knew where he stood they might not like what they saw. Bill Maher gets serious props from me because he points out that for one he knows where Dr. Paul stands... and he still likes the guy even if he disagrees with some of his views.


A lot of people here want to attack EVERYBODY who isn't 100% in agreement with RP or fawning over him. This is not productive. In order for him to have any support at all for POTUS, he will have to have the support of a LOT of people who disagree with up to half of his stances.

I honestly doubt that more than 1% of voters would agree with RP on every major issue. I should know because I have been one of the < 1% my whole life, and it's been pretty lonely out here ( before supporting Paul became "fasionable" anyway, lol).

It's bad enough to be labeled "kooks" and conspiracy nuts, but some Paul supporters look for any single perceived slight ( often a result of their own lack of reading comprehension) in any mention of Ron Paul. When someone almost completely supports RP or writes things like " Ron Paul is a fine gentlemen with good ideas, but he is a longshot"- wow, the Attack machine goes into overdrive.

You normal don't convince people by attacking them. you are more likely to turn-off a potential friend. It is more productive, IMHO, to engage with someone who is 50-60% in a friendly manner rather than writing them off.

As for the Maher show and Tucker specifically...

There were people in this thread saying how much they hate maher? WTF. This guy mentions Ron Paul in a POSITIVE way in every show since the 2nd debate. he leadoff the panel portion of the show criticizing ALL Republicans, except Ron Paul. The he showed a clip showing him as the only sane Republican. He could have ignored him completely. He could have just mentioned the Romney gaffe and moved on or played up the Giuliani vs. Romney match ( like 99% of media). But he made a point to show RP as the best Republican.

Now, maher ( in response to Tucker) said he didnt agree with Paul on some things. Boo f-ing Hoo. 99% of people will NEVER agree with RP on everything ( and if you think so you live in dream world). The only way to "win" , either in the election or "the movement" is to have a big-tent of supporters who agree on the issues with the most urgency and priority- such as The WAR. No matter how much "marketing" or "educating" to the masses goes on, people are not going to magically all be libertarian-Republican sound-money, free market, pro-life, non-interventionists. But you can get enough people to agree on some version of a "peaceful freedom message.'

Now Tucker.. He did seem to stop the conversation. Maher and Behar may have said more positive things otherwise.

Tucker reminds of an Indy music fan. I'm sure you have a friend like this, or perhaps YOU are this person. You became a fan of a musician/band/artist when you saw them play at a small club or found them on Napster. Over the next few years you buy all their albums ( that you had to buy online or at their shows because they dont have a major label deal) and see their shows whenever they play within 100 miles of where you live. Then several years later, you read that they signed a deal with one of the major labels. They are gonna work with some big budget producers, have "singles", and even a video sent to MTV. At some point this band becomes popular. Teenyboppers know their latest video/single " The Leave Iraq Jam".. The band becomes popular. You are a "real fan". Why did they "sell out"? These kids only like them because of the single on MTV. You say "Hey kids. You aren't a real fan. I've been down with The Ron Paul Project since '88. You may like the cute video and songs about the war, but I have their first single "The Federal Reserve Blues" on VINYL. Shouldnt you be listening to Nickelback or Justn timberlake or something? You don't know what the band REALLY stands for. You are just a poser. You wouldn't like them so much if you knew in 1993 they had a song about dismantling the school lunch program, would you?"

[LibertyEagle]

The reason he won't get elected is if we get so enamored with what Tucker has to say that we lose sight of our real strategic interests! Donate and spread the word! You can't control what Tucker says so why worry about it?

Who is losing sight? I'm maxed out on my donation, is it alright to be interested in a conversation about our candidate? :confused:

[Tina]

I can't believe people are still bitching about this. Do you know how many times talk show pundits have spoken badly about Ron Paul so far? Numerous and look where we're at now. And here we are fixated on what Tucker Carlson said on a Friday night on a show that airs on a premium station in front of a liberal audience! Tucker Carlson! Not many people outside of this forum give a shit about what Tucker Carlson says! They don't know who he is or they think he's a douchebag and that Jon Stewart was right! This is not the end of the campaign and it won't be the reason Ron Paul doesn't get elected. The reason he won't get elected is if we get so enamored with what Tucker has to say that we lose sight of our real strategic interests! Donate and spread the word! You can't control what Tucker says so why worry about it?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with analyzing the media. It's crucial to understand the methods that are being used to marginalize this campaign. I'm not much for sticking my head in the sand. The audience is huge by the way.

[Hope]

Thanks. I'm looking forward to the youtube.

As I said, Tucker's very clever, and his techniques are very subtle -- so subtle, in fact, that those of us who are always on the watch for the faintest sign of a slight in the media are ready to leap all over him when he pulls something like this. But again, if it were transparent to everyone, it wouldn't be as effective.

You know, I'm not being overly sensitive, I'm not on constant attack mode for "the faintest sign of slight in the media," and I'm not dumb either. Maybe...just maybe...I have a rational, valid and sincere opinion that isn't completely colored by either my wish for Ron Paul's campaign to do well or my fear that it won't reach the people it needs to. Don't be so quick to insinuate that those of who don't see Tucker as the mastermind you do are dupes.

[Hope]

But you are making Tucker's point with this arguement. If I'm reading this right it sounds like you are saying it is good to keep ignorant people like Joy in the dark and try to trick them into supporting Ron Paul.

I'm not trying to trick anyone or keep them in the dark. I'm all for EDUCATING in a positive and thorough manner. What Tucker pulled had absolutely nothing with facilitating Ron Paul's message to the panel. He used shock value to shake them up, that was it.

I don't want Joy to be in the dark, but I certainly don't want her to walk away from there thinking that Ron Paul is crazy. Which is exactly the impression Tucker gave with his talk of RP being a "radical" who he assures them they would "hate."

[quickmike]

Ok, look at it this way.

Lets say you didnt know who Ron Paul was and you have the same political views you have right now. Suddenly you see this guy Tucker on tv talking about this Ron Paul guy and you hear him say that hes popular right now, but you wouldnt support him if you knew what his views were and what he really believed. Being the kind of person you are, what would you do? Would you just take this Tucker guys opinoin as gospel, or would you go check for yourself out of curiosity?

Ill tell you what I would do. I would go find out why this Tucker guy was saying that I wouldnt support Ron Paul. I would see how he stood on the issues, and being the kind of person I am, I would agree with just about everything Ron Paul stands for and say to myself "what the hell is this Tucker guy talking about? This Ron Paul guy makes alot of sense!!" BINGO ........... one more Ron Paul supporter in the world.

You see whats going on here? Tucker is not as dumb as alot of you people believe he is. He just doesnt use the same techniques that are so transparent that they would be seen as nothing less than a blatant ass kissing by the majority of people who heard him say it.

Ask yourself, how is it a bad thing if tons of people out there get their curiosity piqued by some news guy talking about a presidential candidate and go check him out on the issues for themselves?

Some of you need to think a little deeper than just whats right in front of your faces.

[Spirit of '76]

You know, I'm not being overly sensitive, I'm not on constant attack mode for "the faintest sign of slight in the media," and I'm not dumb either. Maybe...just maybe...I have a rational, valid and sincere opinion that isn't completely colored by either my wish for Ron Paul's campaign to do well or my fear that it won't reach the people it needs to. Don't be so quick to insinuate that those of who don't see Tucker as the mastermind you do are dupes.

Relax. I'm just trying to encourage you to look at possibilities other than your initial perceptions.

You are, of course, perfectly entitled to your opinions.

[Hope]

Mike, please read my previous post. I really don't appreciate being called dumb.

Now if you'll excuse me, I think my face has an overdue appointment with my palm.

[Spirit of '76]

Ok, look at it this way.

Lets say you didnt know who Ron Paul was and you have the same political views you have right now. Suddenly you see this guy Tucker on tv talking about this Ron Paul guy and you hear him say that hes popular right now, but you wouldnt support him if you knew what his views were and what he really believed. Being the kind of person you are, what would you do? Would you just take this Tucker guys opinoin as gospel, or would you go check for yourself out of curiosity?

Ill tell you what I would do. I would go find out why this Tucker guy was saying that I wouldnt support Ron Paul. I would see how he stood on the issues, and being the kind of person I am, I would agree with just about everything Ron Paul stands for and say to myself "what the hell is this Tucker guy talking about? This Ron Paul guy makes alot of sense!!" BINGO ........... one more Ron Paul supporter in the world.

You see whats going on here? Tucker is not as dumb as alot of you people believe he is. He just doesnt use the same techniques that are so transparent that they would be seen as nothing less than a blatant ass kissing by the majority of people who heard him say it.

Ask yourself, how is it a bad thing if tons of people out there get their curiosity piqued by some news guy talking about a presidential candidate and go check him out on the issues for themselves?

Some of you need to think a little deeper than just whats right in front of your faces.

My point exactly.

[hard@work]

Bowties people ... bowties...

[Tina]

Mike, please read my previous post. I really don't appreciate being called dumb.

Now if you'll excuse me, I think my face has an overdue appointment with my palm.

I'm with you Hope.

[Spirit of '76]

Bowties people ... bowties...

...are timeless.

[quickmike]

Mike, please read my previous post. I really don't appreciate being called dumb.

Now if you'll excuse me, I think my face has an overdue appointment with my palm.

:D

[jd603]

you have a point, it will make people wonder about Ron and probably look into it more... Tucker has been behaving a lot differently towards Ron these past few weeks though, it's a little strange. At first I thought maybe someone got to him and now he's out to detract from him, something is going on though. There's definitely some kind of show going on , I just don't know what they're trying to accomplish with it. :)




Ok, look at it this way.

Lets say you didnt know who Ron Paul was and you have the same political views you have right now. Suddenly you see this guy Tucker on tv talking about this Ron Paul guy and you hear him say that hes popular right now, but you wouldnt support him if you knew what his views were and what he really believed. Being the kind of person you are, what would you do? Would you just take this Tucker guys opinoin as gospel, or would you go check for yourself out of curiosity?

Ill tell you what I would do. I would go find out why this Tucker guy was saying that I wouldnt support Ron Paul. I would see how he stood on the issues, and being the kind of person I am, I would agree with just about everything Ron Paul stands for and say to myself "what the hell is this Tucker guy talking about? This Ron Paul guy makes alot of sense!!" BINGO ........... one more Ron Paul supporter in the world.

You see whats going on here? Tucker is not as dumb as alot of you people believe he is. He just doesnt use the same techniques that are so transparent that they would be seen as nothing less than a blatant ass kissing by the majority of people who heard him say it.

Ask yourself, how is it a bad thing if tons of people out there get their curiosity piqued by some news guy talking about a presidential candidate and go check him out on the issues for themselves?

Some of you need to think a little deeper than just whats right in front of your faces.

[hard@work]

Ah well, I'm not sure Spirit is trying to cause a wedge here Hope. I think he honestly disagrees with you and honestly respects your opinion. That's what I'm reading here. I don't see any reason to be offended by the disagreement ... am I missing something that makes it worth this?

[quickmike]

Seriously, you guys are saying you wouldnt support Ron Paul because some news hack said you wouldnt?

C'MON

Think about it.

[Ron Paul Fan]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with analyzing the media. It's crucial to understand the methods that are being used to marginalize this campaign. I'm not much for sticking my head in the sand. The audience is huge by the way.

Of all people you accuse of marginalizing the campaign you choose Tucker Carlson? The man who has had Ron Paul on his show the most and really likes what he has to say. My point is that some people here seem to think that what he said is going to do some serious damage the campaign. No it's not. Mike and Spirit have outlined how it actually could help. Alexa says more people are coming to the website. Donations are going up. The fundraisers in New York tonight were a success. This thread will be buried in a couple days and Tucker's appearance will be long forgotten so why are we fretting?

[tcmaroc]

youtube anyone?

[thomaspaine23]

Don't sweat it. If you think Tucker screwed us over, remember things are not as bad as they could be (http://blog.5thgearmarketing.net/2007/10/bad-day.html)

[Spirit of '76]

Possibly the stupidest thing written.

Yes, I agree. Your first post here is indeed probably the stupidest thing written.

Welcome to the forum.

[quickmike]

Of all people you accuse of marginalizing the campaign you choose Tucker Carlson? The man who has had Ron Paul on his show the most and really likes what he has to say. My point is that some people here seem to think that what he said is going to do some serious damage the campaign. No it's not. Mike and Spirit have outlined how it actually could help. Alexa says more people are coming to the website. Donations are going up. The fundraisers in New York tonight were a success. This thread will be buried in a couple days and Tucker's appearance will be long forgotten so why are we fretting?

We all agree that Ron Paul is the man, so I see no reason to fight. I just have a different spin on what happened thats all.

[Tina]

Of all people you accuse of marginalizing the campaign you choose Tucker Carlson? The man who has had Ron Paul on his show the most and really likes what he has to say. My point is that some people here seem to think that what he said was going to do some serious damage the campaign. No it's not. Mike and Spirit have outlined how it actually could help. Alexa says more people are coming to the website. Donations are going up. The fundraisers in New York tonight were a success. This thread will be buried in a couple days and Tucker's appearance will be long forgotten so why are we fretting?

Sure, he is the media after all. I don't trust any of them myself, you may,but I don't. Mike and Spirit are in la la land on this issue IMO. I'm not fretting. I'm trying to make a point about logical thinking with regards to the controlled media. That's all.

[Spirit of '76]

Ah well, I'm not sure Spirit is trying to cause a wedge here Hope. I think he honestly disagrees with you and honestly respects your opinion. That's what I'm reading here. I don't see any reason to be offended by the disagreement ... am I missing something that makes it worth this?

Indeed. I am as firm in my opinion on the matter as Hope appears to be in hers.

No animosity on my part, and I'm not saying she's stupid. I'm just trying to encourage people to look beyond their initial reactions and try to see things from the perspective of someone who doesn't know much about Ron Paul and might have their curiosity piqued by tonight's performance.

[hard@work]

Sure, he is the media after all. I don't trust any of them myself, you may,but I don't. Mike and Spirit are in la la land on this issue IMO. I'm not fretting. I'm trying to make a point about logical thinking with regards to the controlled media. That's all.

It's just as logical to think that there is a resistance movement within the controlled media. Some of us here are looking for these cracks you know. So we may be a little positive where not deserved. But we may be right. Just sayin, we all know what we're up against. And anyone that wasn't sure as heck saw it with the CNBC "open letter" (that guy did us a favor).

[Noog]

It's been about 3 hours since those comments were made. At this point I think it's just a waste of energy to worry about it. I'm sure we could put that energy to better use.

[quickmike]

Sure, he is the media after all. I don't trust any of them myself, you may,but I don't. Mike and Spirit are in la la land on this issue IMO. I'm not fretting. I'm trying to make a point about logical thinking with regards to the controlled media. That's all.

So are you going to stop your support for Ron Paul because Tucker says you would if you knew how he stands on the issues?

[Nash]

Another thought: If Tucker comes off as some shill for Ron Paul on a liberal talk show that hurts both his ability to stump for Paul and the RP campaign IMO.

[hard@work]

Indeed. I am as firm in my opinion on the matter as Hope appears to be in hers.

No animosity on my part, and I'm not saying she's stupid. I'm just trying to encourage people to look beyond their initial reactions and try to see things from the perspective of someone who doesn't know much about Ron Paul and might have their curiosity piqued by tonight's performance.

Ignauguration day, you and me buddy.

http://www.bowties.com/index.cfm/p/products/color/Black-Brown.htm

I'm going to go for "Black Pheasant".

[Spirit of '76]

Ignauguration day, you and me buddy.

http://www.bowties.com/index.cfm/p/products/color/Black-Brown.htm

I'm going to go for "Black Pheasant".

The pheasants aren't bad, but is it really on black? Yikes.

I'll stick to a Press regimental:
http://www.jpressonline.com/neckwear_bowties.php?page=5

Can't go wrong... ;)

[Tina]

So are you going to stop your support for Ron Paul because Tucker says you would if you knew how he stands on the issues?

What?? Where did that come from.

[hard@work]

The pheasants aren't bad, but is it really on black? Yikes.

I'll stick to a Press regimental:
http://www.jpressonline.com/neckwear_bowties.php?page=5

Can't go wrong... ;)

Don't mock me or I'll go polka dots.

[quickmike]

What?? Where did that come from.


Well, obviously you think thats whats going to happen with other people right?

[1000-points-of-fright]

I've got to take a break from this place. You people are really exasperating.

[Tina]

Well, obviously you think thats whats going to happen with other people right?

That doesn't make sense to me because I'm already a supporter.

[hard@work]

I've got to take a break from this place. You people are really exasperating.


You don't like my choice in bow ties then fine. Come back when you've realized that I've got style and you were wrong.

[Tina]

I'm talking about people who don't know about him yet.

[libertarianguy]

test

[Spirit of '76]

Don't mock me or I'll go polka dots.

Ain't no shame.

Hell, make it really interesting and go for piggy banks, whales, or that timeless classic, martinis:
http://www.vineyardvines.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.browse/categoryID/a299f71a-c2a9-44db-9daf-36bb067aac99/page/1/showAll/1/

I'll be cock o' the walk with some roosters:
http://southernproper.com/beaus.html

[Ron Paul Fan]

I'm talking about people who don't know about him yet.

And you have the ability to read minds?

[dmitchell]

tucker was an inside job
Ha!

[Shellshock1918]

Youtube yet????

[quickmike]

I'm talking about people who don't know about him yet.

So you think people who dont know Ron Paul on the issues are going to take some political hacks word over their own opinoin?

[quickmike]

tucker was an inside job


Tucker flew those planes!!!!!!??????

[hard@work]

Ain't no shame.

Hell, make it really interesting and go for piggy banks, whales, or that timeless classic, martinis:
http://www.vineyardvines.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.browse/categoryID/a299f71a-c2a9-44db-9daf-36bb067aac99/page/1/showAll/1/

I'll be cock o' the walk with some roosters:
http://southernproper.com/beaus.html

If only Tucker was book signing. I'd organize 20-30 of us to show up in bow ties.

[kylejack]

So you think people who dont know Ron Paul on the issues are going to take some political hacks word over their own opinoin?

Yes, especially liberals when the political hack is Tucker. Yes, that makes sense.

[Tina]

So you think people who dont know Ron Paul on the issues are going to take some political hacks word over their own opinoin?

Yes I do. If you don't understand media manipulation then I don't know what to say. The fact that you can think on your own is fantastic, but you are not the normal Jill and Joe six pack sitting in front of the TV.

[libertarianguy]

test

[kylejack]

Yes I do. If you don't understand media manipulation then I don't know what to say. The fact that you can think on your own is fantastic, but you are not the normal Jill and Joe six pack sitting in front of the TV.
I think its you who doesn't understand media manipulation. I think you've proven that by not believing that Tucker's interviews with Paul are a pro-Paul scheme.

[kylejack]

tucker seems to have good libertarian views, maybe he just can't help being the ass that he is?

Heh, this is also true. He really is an ass.

[Spirit of '76]

If only Tucker was book signing. I'd organize 20-30 of us to show up in bow ties.

Heh... I've actually been to that party. :D

[Tina]

I think its you who doesn't understand media manipulation. I think you've proven that by not believing that Tucker's interviews with Paul are a pro-Paul scheme.

I think that is a bunch of crap to be honest.

[kylejack]

I think that is a bunch of crap to be honest.

Because you believe he's interviewing Paul repeatedly to...discredit him? Or what exactly? Your position doesn't really make a lot of sense to me.

[misconstrued]

You must be a Tool fan.

He may not be, but I certainly am... ;)

[Tina]

Because you believe he's interviewing Paul repeatedly to...discredit him? Or what exactly? Your position doesn't really make a lot of sense to me.

err..ratings maybe.

[fj45lvr]

If tucker is actually rooting for Paul or even his ideas to capture the dominant place in D.C. you would be hard pressed to know....seems to be a "psychological warfare" type of guy or something and not necessarily a real "open book"

I agree 100% that the vast majority of Americans don't want to be responsible for themselves....they prove that all the time with a variety of issues. some go so far as to actually even state that they trust gov. to be a better decision maker (this should galvanize people to admit that our populous is by and large "mentally ill" and our GREATEST ENEMY (especially considering these people may even be voters (God forbid)).

Tucker is an enigma...

[hard@work]

I think I'll chime in an actual opinion not related to bow ties -


I think Tucker is a supporter, I truly do. I don't think he's 100% sold on backing Ron Paul and I know that even if he was he has his career to worry about first and foremost. And he will take are of that career first and foremost, he was hanging on a string for a bit there after Stewart nailed him on Crossfire wasn't he?

So he has a chance at redemption now, and he has a chance of rising higher if RP makes it. If RP goes all the way there truly will be a revolution, and all the punditry is aware that they need to ride the waves to stay on top. It is unfortunately about the money in the end, principle be damned.

[jd603]

i think he just LOVES to argue, even if the argument is stupid or pointless. hehe That's what I got from this Bill Maher.




tucker seems to have good libertarian views, maybe he just can't help being the ass that he is?

[Sematary]

Tucker basically said everyone should stop pretending to love Ron Paul because if they really knew what he stood for, i.e. reducing government and making people responsible for their own lives, they wouldn't like him, because people don't want full responsibility and freedom, they want government to take care of them (but he did note that that definitely is what he wants and he likes RP). Maher played a clip of RP from the CNBC debate and had nothing bad to say.

He is correct, of course. That is what the sheeple want.

[TVMH]

He is at least contributing to name recognition...this is always a good thing.

Perhaps a few fashionable supporters will get concerned and do some research into the message and decide they like what they read.

Maybe they'll tell some friends. Maybe this thing will mushroom (as if it hasn't already).

Cheer up, you guys. Times are changing, and for the better.

This stuff is too powerful to stop.

[RP4ME]

He is correct, of course. That is what the sheeple want.

Thast actually a good play by Tucker - not overtly supporting him BUT all the while it is promoting him - peopel will say no I dont want the govet taking care of me - unless of course you are a marathon welfrae recipient! Its a classic sales tactic to take "it" off teh table and then you beg for what you think you have lost! Brilliant! I look forwar dto anaylyzing it when someone gets a You tube!:D

[RP4ME]

He is at least contributing to name recognition...this is always a good thing.

Perhaps a few fashionable supporters will get concerned and do some research into the message and decide they like what they read.

Maybe they'll tell some friends. Maybe this thing will mushroom (as if it hasn't already).

Cheer up, you guys. Times are changing, and for the better.

This stuff is too powerful to stop.

Like your style and positivity - keep it flowing I have been down a bit.....

[Karsten]

What was more annoying than Tucker was when the woman on the panel said "well... he's not pro-choice is he?" For goodness sake, that's like a single-issue for a lot of liberals, isn't it? I know several people who like Ron Paul but wouldn't vote for him because he's pro-life. I couldn't care less about the issue. I think Ann Coutler is right on this one, it's like their holy sacrament or something.

[unconsious767]

After seeing the beginning, I have to agree that Tucker was indeed being sly and using reverse psychology. Whether that translates to the intended audience is debatable.

I don't know yet if there are any other mentions during the show, as I haven't watched it all yet!

I've made a youtube clip, sorry for the crappy vid quality
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aOkRMGGnLJc

[kylejack]

After seeing the beginning, I have to agree that Tucker was indeed being sly and using reverse psychology. Whether that translates to the intended audience is debatable.

I don't know yet if there are any other mentions during the show, as I haven't watched it all yet!

I've made a youtube clip, sorry for the crappy vid quality
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aOkRMGGnLJc
Thanks for posting the clip.