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YumYum
06-01-2010, 04:34 PM
This is proof that are country has no nut-sack. We are pussies. Scared shitless of a lunatic foreign entity. Did our veterans die so America would become a nation of pussies? What are Americans so afraid of? That maybe they will be given the same poison that was given to Yasser Arafat?

This country has been hoodwinked. Our government is run by pussies.

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration walked a fine line Tuesday in response to Israel's lethal raid on a flotilla trying to break the blockade of Gaza, urging Israeli leaders to let more aid into the beleaguered territory but refusing to criticize the U.S. ally for the use of deadly force.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton expressed support for a U.N. Security Council statement that condemned the "acts" that cost the lives of nine pro-Palestinian activists off the Gaza coast. But U.S. officials did not say whether they held Israel or the activists responsible for the bloodshed.

The raid put President Barack Obama in something of a bind, caught between pressing Israel to ease harsh conditions in the Gaza Strip while at the same time supporting efforts to stop the smuggling of arms into Gaza that could be used to attack Israel.

At stake at a deeper level is the Obama administration's struggle to revive the long-stalled Israel-Palestinian peace talks, a difficult task in the best of times. To achieve this, the U.S. is trying to keep both sides focused on the goal of restarting talks, holding out the eventual promise of peace for Israel and a homeland for the Palestinians.

On Tuesday, U.S. officials found targets for criticism all around:

• Alejandro Wolff, deputy ambassador to the U.N., suggested that reports that some of the activists aboard the raided vessels might have sought to provoke the Israelis into a harsh response "give pause."

• On the other hand, in a jab at Israel, Clinton said life under the blockade in Gaza is "unsustainable and unacceptable."

The U.N. called for a prompt and credible investigation of Monday's events, in which Israel seized a number of vessels carrying humanitarian aid and took hundreds of activists — many of them Turkish — off the ships to Israel. Clinton and White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said the U.S. is open to international participation in an Israeli investigation of the incident.

As for Obama, Gibbs stood by the president's earlier statement expressing "deep regret" for the loss life.

Jon Alterman, director of the Middle East program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said, "This seems to be a perfect storm of negative outcomes at a time when the United States wants to do something quite different, which is reassure Israelis, re-engage on negotiations and try to resolve the underlying issues once and for all."

"It's hard to imagine any set of actions which would have played more into the hands of Israel's enemies," he said in a telephone interview.

The Israeli raid came at a particularly delicate moment in U.S.-Israeli relations, badly strained by open conflict over Israel's settlement policy in the West Bank.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was to have visited the White House on Tuesday, in part to help heal that rift, but he canceled in order to return home to deal with the crisis.

The State Department said Netanyahu's visit would be rescheduled.

Obama is to meet at the White House next week with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, and he sent his Mideast peace envoy, former Sen. George Mitchell, back to the region for meetings with Palestinian officials on Wednesday.

Israel and the U.S. have said the blockade was intended to discourage the smuggling of weapons into the narrow strip, controlled by the Iranian-backed militant group Hamas. But the policy has also deepened poverty among the 1.5 million Palestinians there.

In remarks to reporters at the State Department, Clinton did not call for an end to the blockade. Instead, she pressed Israel to allow greater access for humanitarian relief shipments, "including reconstruction and building supplies."

She also said that Israel's security needs must be taken into account and that the ultimate answer to the conflict is for Israel and the Palestinians to resume talks toward a final peace settlement.

Clinton spoke after a private meeting with Turkey's foreign minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, who told reporters earlier Tuesday that the Israeli raid was a criminal act that should be condemned by Washington.

State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said Davutoglu did not directly request such a U.S. condemnation during his meeting with Clinton, which lasted more than two hours — double its scheduled length.

Martin Indyk, a former U.S. ambassador to Israel who is director of foreign policy at the Brookings Institution think tank, said there remains considerable international support for efforts by Israel, Egypt and others to limit the smuggling of weapons into Gaza for use against Israel by Gaza's Hamas rulers.

Even so, Monday's episode undermines those seeking peace and strengthens Hamas, Indyk said.

He also said it makes it harder for Abbas, the Palestinian president, to move into direct peace talks with Israel "because he has to show sympathy for the Palestinians in Gaza," even though Abbas is Hamas' main rival for Palestinian leadership.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100601/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_israel

teamrican1
06-01-2010, 04:41 PM
This is closer to the kind of reaction we should have to all this crap, but if you actually read the article Clinton in fact had a whole lot to say about the situation. The Israeli-Palestinian dispute has nothing to do with us. There is no reason for us to butt our heads in and opine on every single drama of their endless conflict. We shouldn't be meeting with world leaders to discuss other country's problems. We shouldn't be acting as "mediators". When events like today happen, we shouldn't be issuing reactions. It is none of our business. And the only way it becomes our problem is if we make it our problem.

0zzy
06-01-2010, 04:42 PM
wait, since when is it the US's obligation to condemn other country's actions when it has no direct result in American policy whatsoever?

Ron Paul would vote against condemning Israel, just like he voted against voting to condemn Hamas.

YumYum
06-01-2010, 04:44 PM
This is closer to the kind of reaction we should have to all this crap, but if you actually read the article Clinton in fact had a whole lot to say about the situation. The Israeli-Palestinian dispute has nothing to do with us. There is no reason for us to butt our heads in and opine on every single drama of their endless conflict. We shouldn't be meeting with world leaders to discuss other country's problems. We shouldn't be acting as "mediators". When events like today happen, we shouldn't be issuing reactions. It is none of our business. And the only way it becomes our problem is if we make it our problem.

True! But we shouldn't be giving them $30 billion a year in welfare, should we?

tropicangela
06-01-2010, 04:44 PM
When will Obama / Congress cut off funding to Israel?

YumYum
06-01-2010, 04:46 PM
wait, since when is it the US's obligation to condemn other country's actions when it has no direct result in American policy whatsoever?

Ron Paul would vote against condemning Israel, just like he voted against voting to condemn Hamas.

...and Ron Paul would vote against giving welfare to Israel, hasn't he? Do we give $30 billion a year to Hamas? Israel controls our Congress, lock, stock and barrel, or, haven't you noticed?

Vessol
06-01-2010, 04:46 PM
While we shouldn't condemn others, we should not block condemnation of others nations to other nations like we are doing now. We shouldn't do anything except cut all funding to all foreign nations.

YumYum
06-01-2010, 04:52 PM
While we shouldn't condemn others, we should not block condemnation of others nations to other nations like we are doing now. We shouldn't do anything except cut all funding to all foreign nations.

You make it so simple. Do you think Israel and American Jews would allow the United States to suddenly cut off their welfare? We are being played. There will be no cutting off the money to Israel. Israel has all of our politicians nuts in a vice, and American politicians are scared shitless of Israel and Jews. Americans are scared of offending Jews!!! Shit!! We (as Americans) are the baddest motherfuckers on this planet!!! Fuck it!!! Offend me!! Please!!!

Don't you know when you've been had????:confused:

charrob
06-01-2010, 05:25 PM
wait, since when is it the US's obligation to condemn other country's actions when it has no direct result in American policy whatsoever?

Ron Paul would vote against condemning Israel, just like he voted against voting to condemn Hamas.

There are Americans that were on board the flotilla, and, which are currently being detained and interrogated by Israel without representation or the ability to communicate to the U.S. or family. One of these Americans was a veteran of the U.S.S. Liberty. ...imo, this kind of gets us involved in the situation...

teamrican1
06-01-2010, 05:56 PM
There are Americans that were on board the flotilla, and, which are currently being detained and interrogated by Israel without representation or the ability to communicate to the U.S. or family. One of these Americans was a veteran of the U.S.S. Liberty. ...imo, this kind of gets us involved in the situation...

Disagree. People who want to participate in international wars/exploration/diplomacy/intrigue/ect do so at their own risk. The United States government should remain neutral in all foreign conflicts that have nothing to do with us. And from a public relations standpoint, you should always argue that we should end foreign aid across the board, not just specifically Israel. That is the way Ron Paul always explains his position and it heads off any lame neocon smears. Our aid to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan is just as absurd as our aid to Israel.

YumYum
06-01-2010, 06:01 PM
There are Americans that were on board the flotilla, and, which are currently being detained and interrogated by Israel without representation or the ability to communicate to the U.S. or family. One of these Americans was a veteran of the U.S.S. Liberty. ...imo, this kind of gets us involved in the situation...

Bullshit!! Because if we were to be involved, we would be involved by now! Did you hear the pussy Gibbs answer the media when asked about the attack? He begged off, never answering one question, just like all the pussy Goyim who are afraid of American Jews? I am Jew! What the fuck are you afraid of!?!?!

Boo!!! Do I scare you!!!

RM918
06-01-2010, 06:03 PM
Disagree. People who want to participate in international wars/exploration/diplomacy/intrigue/ect do so at their own risk. The United States government should remain neutral in all foreign conflicts that have nothing to do with us. And from a public relations standpoint, you should always argue that we should end foreign aid across the board, not just specifically Israel. That is the way Ron Paul always explains his position and it heads off any lame neocon smears. Our aid to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan is just as absurd as our aid to Israel.

The only difference being when the Egyptian, Saudi or Jordanian military/citizenry kill our people we don't then blame our people, we call them terrorists. Whichever is most convenient at the time for our 'allies' in Israel, apparently.

qh4dotcom
06-01-2010, 06:09 PM
When will Obama / Congress cut off funding to Israel?

When the US government bubble pops...when the US government is forced to admit it can't pay its debts.

MRoCkEd
06-01-2010, 06:10 PM
Bill O'Reilly: "Obama is being too tough on Israel... they were obviously acting in self-defense."

Imaginos
06-01-2010, 06:17 PM
This is proof that are country has no nut-sack. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100601/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_israel
American politicians have balls of marshmallow.
Except Ron Paul and Denis Kucinich, no politician in Washington dares to speak the truth.
They all have to comply with Military Industrial Complex (MIC)'s wishes and directions.
If MIC orders them, they'd even condemn massacred humanitarians and peace activists for the sin of annoying Israeli administration.

charrob
06-01-2010, 06:26 PM
Disagree. People who want to participate in international wars/exploration/diplomacy/intrigue/ect do so at their own risk. The United States government should remain neutral in all foreign conflicts that have nothing to do with us.

Normally I would have thought if an American who is travelling by boat in international waters is emprisoned/detained by a foreign government that the American government would see to it that their citizen would be returned home, unharmed.

In a sense, Israel is holding many of the aide workers hostage at this point, some of whom are Americans.

cesarcongo
06-01-2010, 06:54 PM
wait, since when is it the US's obligation to condemn other country's actions when it has no direct result in American policy whatsoever?

Ron Paul would vote against condemning Israel, just like he voted against voting to condemn Hamas.

amen
private condemnation and education is one thing. trying to involve the government ios a totally different story

YumYum
06-01-2010, 07:26 PM
American politicians have balls of marshmallow.
Except Ron Paul and Denis Kucinich, no politician in Washington dares to speak the truth.
They all have to comply with Military Industrial Complex (MIC)'s wishes and directions.
If MIC orders them, they'd even condemn massacred humanitarians and peace activists for the sin of annoying Israeli administration.

Good point! I love Dennis Kucinich! He has balls. Why are you afraid of Jews, Imaginos?

Imaginos
06-01-2010, 07:58 PM
Good point! I love Dennis Kucinich! He has balls. Why are you afraid of Jews, Imaginos?
Me afraid of Jews? :confused:
The only thing that I am afraid of is my parents' Christmas dinner.
:D

Inflation
06-01-2010, 09:29 PM
Obama is Bibi's poodle.

Israel's poodle barks when directed to do so. (http://www.open.salon.com/blog/gordon_wagner/2010/06/01/israels_poodle_barks_when_directed_to_do_so)

HOLLYWOOD
06-01-2010, 09:48 PM
...and Ron Paul would vote against giving welfare to Israel, hasn't he? Do we give $30 billion a year to Hamas? Israel controls our Congress, lock, stock and barrel, or, haven't you noticed?


It's $3 Billion a year in Military Aid... in a 10 year deal for $30 Billion. But it doesn't stop there...

The US does Billions in joint technology and weapons development which masks the foreign welfare to Israel.

Then there's Subsidies for importing Israeli products to the US and for Israel to export to the world... courtesy of the American Taxpayers.

The American Taxpayers also pay for Migrating Jews from around the world back to Israel.

The American Taxpayers also subsidize Israeli student to come to US universities/colleges.

The American Taxpayers also subsidize Holocaust museums and related ideological programs around the planet.

Who's really running Capital Hil/Congress?


BTW: FOX BUSINESS terminated their LIVE national Chat during Happy Hour so the PRO ISRAEL propaganda guests could slam the flotilla and play Israel as the victim... I was sickening and they knew everybody on chat would call out these Zionist Clowns pushing death and the "Poor Me" syndrome.

Man American Airwaves are completely Biased and controlled by Pro Israel agenda.

I wonder why?

SooperDave
06-01-2010, 09:59 PM
how ironic that an ad for "All4Israel" showed up on this thread

Liberty Star
06-01-2010, 10:47 PM
In the end US will, there is no economic benefit in supporting Israeli oppression anymore, in facts those policies have become a massive liability.

axiomata
06-01-2010, 11:24 PM
amen
private condemnation and education is one thing. trying to involve the government ios a totally different story
It appears some are non-interventionists only when convenient.

catdd
06-01-2010, 11:40 PM
in the end us will, there is no economic benefit in supporting israeli oppression anymore, in facts those policies have become a massive liability.

1776

raiha
06-02-2010, 03:46 AM
America is Israel's bitch...no balls by definition...
An impartial Israeli investigation....hahahahahaha...should put oreilly in the mix for a smattering of 'fair and balanced.'