Were the activists justified in throwing Israeli's off the boat and beating them?

[Reason]

YouTube - Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo)

[Reason]

not exactly MLK style...

[sofia]

are you justified in throwing me out of your home if I break into it????


this video may verey well be fake by the way....raid happened at 4AM...so why is it daylight out?????


A bunch of MOSSAD actors doing a re-enactment aboard an Israeli ship

[kylejack]

Turn the question around, were the soldiers justified in staging an armed invasion of the boats in international waters?

[michaelwise]

I would have taken a machete to the son of a bitch, especially since they attacked first.

[Reason]

I think they were justified overall.

I'm guessing the IDF weren't expecting a fight.

[lynnf]

are you justified in throwing me out of your home if I break into it????


this video may verey well be fake by the way....raid happened at 4AM...so why is it daylight out?????


A bunch of MOSSAD actors doing a re-enactment aboard an Israeli ship


I tink this was taken by an infrared camera, and the bright background you see is infrared reflection off the exterior of a bulkhead in the background.

that's what you are mistaking for daylight.

lynn

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

idk, if Israeli soldiers were coming after you what would you do? Put your hands up and hope they don't shoot you?

[squarepusher]

seems like a pirate attack

[libertythor]

Either way the IDF royally screwed up and didn't use common sense or sensible tactics. A US Coast Guard boarding party wouldn't have allowed that many people to get close with pipes and chairs. It isn't like they weren't able to maintain distance and order people to the ground and then resort to pepper spray or the baton to maintain that distance.


Come on. At least we can all agree that there was incompetence here, but the US should stay out of it in any case.

[wgadget]

are you justified in throwing me out of your home if I break into it????


this video may verey well be fake by the way....raid happened at 4AM...so why is it daylight out?????


A bunch of MOSSAD actors doing a re-enactment aboard an Israeli ship

To me it looks like it is from the 1940s and done on a reel-to-reel.

[speciallyblend]

curious to see more video!!!

[marc1888]

YouTube - Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo)

Shouldn't you be asking if the soldiers had the right to be on their boat? If someone comes into my house armed in the middle of the night should i make sure i offer them a cup of tea and a cookie first ;)

[Inflation]

The Klinghoffer treatment is too good for violent, uninvited boarders.

These activists should follow Russia's example of dealing with pirates.

Leave them adrift miles from anything with no radios, flares, sails, or paddles.

And one half empty bottle of water, to prolong their suffering.

[wgadget]

YouTube - Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo)

Your video screams IDF training video. Is this what Fox News is running?

[peacepotpaul]

why were the soldiers even close to the boat?

[malkusm]

YouTube - Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo)

I like how the video circles and points out the passengers of the boat - who were there via mutual consent with its captain - attacking the Israeli soldiers....and yet, for some reason, it DOESN'T circle and highlight the Israeli soldiers who were SHOOTING UNARMED PASSENGERS.

But, sure, the video is unbiased. :rolleyes:

[jbrace]

Lowering themselves 1-2 at a time from a helicopter at 4am in international waters and people are surprised they took up arms? I mean come on lets get real. Not to mention they had assault gear and weapons on them. It's not like they tried to disable the ship or prevent them from moving. It was a very ignorant move on the IDF's part.

[DAFTEK]

seems like a pirate attack

Exactly!!! Blowback will be coming soon....:rolleyes:

[catdd]

Maybe the Israelis had already opened fire and they were fighting for their lives.

[ViniVidiVici]

Absolutely.

[CharlesTX]

Video looks like what any reasonable person(s) would do that was protecting themselves and their assets when being attacked by savages.

[DAFTEK]

Turkey: Future Gaza Aid Ships Will Have Military Escorts (http://news.antiwar.com/2010/05/31/turkey-future-gaza-aid-ships-will-have-military-escorts/)

Massacre Further Harms Israel-Turkey Ties

by Jason Ditz, May 31, 2010

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Once Israel’s closest ally in the region, the Turkish government has reacted with fury at last night’s Gaza aid ship massacre, condemning it as ‘inhuman state terror (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703406604575278651474545766.html?m od=WSJ_World_LeadStory).’
http://news.antiwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/turk.jpg Turkey's Navy will reportedly protect future aid ships

The attacked ship was Turkish in origin and at least two of the slain aid workers were Turkish citizens. Turkey says future aid ships will be dispatched with a military escort so as to prevent future Israeli attacks (http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/05/31/turkey-promises-to-send-supplies-to-gaza-with-naval-escort/).
Turko-Israeli relations have been on the decline in recent months, including a staged photo-op by the Israeli Foreign Ministry designed to shame Turkey’s ambassador (http://news.antiwar.com/2010/05/31/2010/01/12/turkey-seethes-at-deliberate-diplomatic-slights-in-israel/). Israel also reportedly arrested a Turkish citizen weeks ago (http://news.antiwar.com/2010/05/31/2010/05/17/israel-demands-europe-stop-citizens-from-gaza-aid-trip/) for being a member of a humanitarian group involved with the aid ship.
Israeli officials have defended the killings as “self defense,” claiming the aid workers were secretly in league with al-Qaeda. A top Israeli investment house has also called for a divestment from Turkey (http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000563195&fid=942) to protest Turkey’s criticism of the massacre.

[virgil47]

Exactly!!! Blowback will be coming soon....:rolleyes:

I hope it is. I hope that the next time a Hammas laden ship attempts to run a legal blockade that the Israelis just sink it.

[virgil47]

Shouldn't you be asking if the soldiers had the right to be on their boat? If someone comes into my house armed in the middle of the night should i make sure i offer them a cup of tea and a cookie first ;)

Indeed the soldiers did have every right to board a ship attempting to run a legal blockade. Five of the ships caused no problems buy the sixth ship was full of Hammas terrorists that wanted to cause trouble. The members of Hammas should be imprisoned for at least twnty years for causing the deaths.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

definitely some sort of night vision* camera. The poles they were using to beat the soldiers looked like light sabers. Also, the claim that the soldiers were using paintball guns looks to be true in at least two cases. That doesn't mean other soldiers weren't carrying real guns or that a paintball can't be deadly.

*i don't think it was infrared.

[angelatc]

Indeed the soldiers did have every right to board a ship attempting to run a legal blockade. Five of the ships caused no problems buy the sixth ship was full of Hammas terrorists that wanted to cause trouble. The members of Hammas should be imprisoned for at least twnty years for causing the deaths.

The blockade is not recognized as legal by any international organization.

If it were, humanitarian ships are specifically excluded from the right to board given to countries running blockades.

The sixth ship was full of Hammas? LOL! For starts, it is spelled Hamas. And why do they need to import Hamas into Palestine? It is their home base! In fact, they are the government there.

Israel killed 2 people on a ship flying a white flag before they even began boarding it. By all means, lets make them the victim here.

[virgil47]

The blockade is not recognized as legal by any international organization.

If it were, humanitarian ships are specifically excluded from the right to board given to countries running blockades.

The sixth ship was full of Hammas? LOL! For starts, it is spelled Hamas. And why do they need to import Hamas into Palestine? It is their home base! In fact, they are the government there.

Israel killed 2 people on a ship flying a white flag before they even began boarding it. By all means, lets make them the victim here.

Hamas, Hammas no difference to me. They were on the sixth ship in anticipation of the IDF boarding the ship why else would they be there. Wake up you and all of the Israel haters have been had by "Hamas" . By the way either spelling is correct.

[angelatc]

Hamas, Hammas no difference to me. They were on the sixth ship in anticipation of the IDF boarding the ship why else would they be there. Wake up you and all of the Israel haters have been had by "Hamas" . By the way either spelling is correct.

Why do you think we hate Israel?

Why do you think the whole world is wrong and Israel is right?

And why do you think there were terrorists hiding on the 6th ship? That's absolutely the silliest thing I've heard so far. Were there WMDs there too? Al Qaeda? Bin Laden? LOL!

[DAFTEK]

Hamas, Hammas no difference to me. They were on the sixth ship in anticipation of the IDF boarding the ship why else would they be there. Wake up you and all of the Israel haters have been had by "Hamas" . By the way either spelling is correct.

I have seen many retarded trolls on this forum but you win the cake.

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[White Knight]

Has there ever been a nation more terrorist and anti-freedom than Israel?

[healthpellets]

Has there ever been a nation more terrorist and anti-freedom than Israel?

any Muslim nation FTW.

[angelatc]

any Muslim nation FTW.

No, that doesn't deserve a FTW. Egypt. And that's just off the top of my head.

[Pauls' Revere]

Turn the question around, were the soldiers justified in staging an armed invasion of the boats in international waters?

THIS!

+ 25,000

Bravo Zulu !

[healthpellets]

No, that doesn't deserve a FTW. Egypt. And that's just off the top of my head.

damn. a majority of Muslim nations FTW.

[White Knight]

any Muslim nation FTW.

No, the Israelis are ruthless in their attacks on the innocent, silly internet acronyms won't win anyone over here.

[Trigonx]

the blockade is not recognized as legal by any international organization.

If it were, humanitarian ships are specifically excluded from the right to board given to countries running blockades.

The sixth ship was full of hammas? Lol! For starts, it is spelled hamas. And why do they need to import hamas into palestine? It is their home base! In fact, they are the government there.

Israel killed 2 people on a ship flying a white flag before they even began boarding it. By all means, lets make them the victim here.


+1000

[fj45lvr]

i know for certain that if the fascist US government tries to board my vessel to "take control" I won't be calm and complacent.

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