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YumYum
05-31-2010, 10:13 AM
Dr. Finkelstein just stated on "European Closing Bell", CNBC, that with this massacre on innocent civilians on the Gaza Aid Fleet:

"Israel is acting as a lunatic state".

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/this-time-we-went-too-far/

State of insanity

Gaza flotilla drives Israel into a sea of stupidity

05.30.2010 | Haaretz

Of course the peace flotilla will not bring peace, and it won’t even manage to reach the Gaza shore. The action plan has included dragging the ships to Ashdod port, but it has again dragged us to the shores of stupidity and wrongdoing

By Gideon Levy

The Israeli propaganda machine has reached new highs its hopeless frenzy. It has distributed menus from Gaza restaurants, along with false information. It embarrassed itself by entering a futile public relations battle, which it might have been better off never starting. They want to maintain the ineffective, illegal and unethical siege on Gaza and not let the “peace flotilla” dock off the Gaza coast? There is nothing to explain, certainly not to a world that will never buy the web of explanations, lies and tactics.

Only in Israel do people still accept these tainted goods. Reminiscent of a pre-battle ritual from ancient times, the chorus cheered without asking questions. White uniformed soldiers got ready in our name. Spokesmen delivered their deceptive explanations in our name. The grotesque scene is at our expense. And virtually none of us have disturbed the performance.

The chorus has been singing songs of falsehood and lies. We are all in the chorus saying there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. We are all part of the chorus claiming the occupation of Gaza has ended, and that the flotilla is a violent attack on Israeli sovereignty - the cement is for building bunkers and the convoy is being funded by the Turkish Muslim Brotherhood. The Israeli siege of Gaza will topple Hamas and free Gilad Shalit. Foreign Ministry spokesman Yossi Levy, one of the most ridiculous of the propagandists, outdid himself when he unblinkingly proclaimed that the aid convoy headed toward Gaza was a violation of international law. Right. Exactly.

It’s not the siege that is illegal, but rather the flotilla. It wasn’t enough to distribute menus from Gaza restaurants through the Prime Minister’s Office, (including the highly recommended beef Stroganoff and cream of spinach soup ) and flaunt the quantities of fuel that the Israeli army spokesman says Israel is shipping in. The propaganda operation has tried to sell us and the world the idea that the occupation of Gaza is over, but in any case, Israel has legal authority to bar humanitarian aid. All one pack of lies.

Only one voice spoiled the illusory celebration a little: an Amnesty International report on the situation in Gaza. Four out of five Gaza residents need humanitarian assistance. Hundreds are waiting to the point of embarrassment to be allowed out for medical treatment, and 28 already have died. This is despite all the Israeli army spokesman’s briefings on the absence of a siege and the presence of assistance, but who cares?

And the preparations for the operation are also reminiscent of a particularly amusing farce: the feverish debate among the septet of ministers; the deployment of the Masada unit, the prison service’s commando unit that specializes in penetrating prison cells; naval commando fighters with backup from the special police anti-terror unit and the army’s Oketz canine unit; a special detention facility set up at the Ashdod port; and the electronic shield that was supposed to block broadcast of the ship’s capture and the detention of those on board.

And all of this in the face of what? A few hundred international activists, mostly people of conscience whose reputation Israeli propaganda has sought to besmirch. They are really mostly people who care, which is their right and obligation, even if the siege doesn’t concern us at all. Yes, this flotilla is indeed a political provocation, and what is protest action if not political provocation?

And facing them on the seas has been the Israeli ship of fools, floating but not knowing where or why. Why detain people? That’s how it is. Why a siege? That’s how it is. It’s like the Noam Chomsky affair all over again, but big time this time. Of course the peace flotilla will not bring peace, and it won’t even manage to reach the Gaza shore. The action plan has included dragging the ships to Ashdod port, but it has again dragged us to the shores of stupidity and wrongdoing. Again we will be portrayed not only as the ones that have blocked assistance, but also as fools who do everything to even further undermine our own standing. If that was one of the goals of the peace flotilla’s organizers, they won big yesterday.

Five years ago, the noted Peruvian writer Mario Vargas Llosa, who is a Jerusalem Prize laureate, after concluding his visit to Israel, said the Israeli occupation was approaching its grotesque phase. Over the weekend Vargas Llosa, who considers himself a friend of Israel, was present to see that that phase has since reached new heights of absurdity.

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/state-of-insanity/

Imaginos
05-31-2010, 11:25 AM
YouTube - CrossTalk: Norman Finkelstein vs. Israel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLB8DfhnJD0)

Imaginos
05-31-2010, 11:26 AM
YouTube - CrossTalk on Holocaust: Murder Revenues (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCKTKMFTprM)

Imaginos
05-31-2010, 11:28 AM
I know that I have posted the same message but let me repeat myself.
Dr. Norman Finkelstein deserves Nobel peace prize.
If you want to know about him, start from his masterpiece, The Holocaust Industry.
That book enlightened me to the subject of Israel more than any book in the world.
The book articulates how Israel and Israeli lobby is manipulating public opinion through MSM and various other propaganda outlets to pursue their interest.
(And don't forget how they made it virtually impossible for anyone to criticize Israeli policy because ADL will jump on right away and brand him or her as an anti-Semite.)
Dr. Finkelstein has been trying to promote peaceful co-existence between Israel and Palestinian for many years.
And do you know what Zionists (not all the Zionists. I am talking about the BAD ones) did to him?
Extreme Zionists in academic circle kicked Dr. Finkelstein out of school and got rid of his livelihood.
And they are calling him anti-Semite because he has criticized Israel's treatment of Palestinians!!!
Do you know what other person they labeled as an anti-Semite?
How about Dr. Hajo Meyer?
Dr. Meyer is also Jewish and survived Nazi death camp himself!
Israeli propaganda outlets now calling him an 'anti-Semite' for criticizing Israel's treatment of Palestinians and etc.
Dr. Meyer is a human right activist who promotes peace and harmony yet Israel labeled him as anti-Semite!!!!
They are calling 86 years old, peace loving humanitarian Jewish scholar as anti-Semite!
Recently Dr. Meyer said something that is truly remarkable that is, "Anti-Semite is used to be someone who hates Jews indiscriminately. But now adays, Anti-Semite is someone who hated by Jews".
His explanation sums up the whole situation.

Imaginos
05-31-2010, 01:26 PM
bump

YumYum
05-31-2010, 02:50 PM
I know that I have posted the same message but let me repeat myself.
Dr. Norman Finkelstein deserves Nobel peace prize.
If you want to know about him, start from his masterpiece, The Holocaust Industry.
That book enlightened me to the subject of Israel more than any book in the world.
The book articulates how Israel and Israeli lobby is manipulating public opinion through MSM and various other propaganda outlets to pursue their interest.
(And don't forget how they made it virtually impossible for anyone to criticize Israeli policy because ADL will jump on right away and brand him or her as an anti-Semite.)
Dr. Finkelstein has been trying to promote peaceful co-existence between Israel and Palestinian for many years.
And do you know what Zionists (not all the Zionists. I am talking about the BAD ones) did to him?
Extreme Zionists in academic circle kicked Dr. Finkelstein out of school and got rid of his livelihood.
And they are calling him anti-Semite because he has criticized Israel's treatment of Palestinians!!!
Do you know what other person they labeled as an anti-Semite?
How about Dr. Hajo Meyer?
Dr. Meyer is also Jewish and survived Nazi death camp himself!
Israeli propaganda outlets now calling him an 'anti-Semite' for criticizing Israel's treatment of Palestinians and etc.
Dr. Meyer is a human right activist who promotes peace and harmony yet Israel labeled him as anti-Semite!!!!
They are calling 86 years old, peace loving humanitarian Jewish scholar as anti-Semite!
Recently Dr. Meyer said something that is truly remarkable that is, "Anti-Semite is used to be someone who hates Jews indiscriminately. But now adays, Anti-Semite is someone who hated by Jews".
His explanation sums up the whole situation.

Dr. Finkelstein is a brave hero and there are many Jews who admire and respect him; even those who don't agree with him respect him. He shares my concerns that the actions of zealot Jews stir up hate for innocent Jews. Jews who are not fanatics, who don't steal, who are charitable and great citizens, will end up being attacked by people who hate Jews because of what the Israeli government does.

I'm glad you see the difference.:)

michaelwise
05-31-2010, 02:58 PM
Dr Norman Finkelstein is great in this documentary.
Defamation: True Stories on Vimeo (http://www.vimeo.com/9102650)

Imaginos
05-31-2010, 03:38 PM
Dr. Finkelstein is a brave hero and there are many Jews who admire and respect him; even those who don't agree with him respect him. He shares my concerns that the actions of zealot Jews stir up hate for innocent Jews. Jews who are not fanatics, who don't steal, who are charitable and great citizens, will end up being attacked by people who hate Jews because of what the Israeli government does.
I'm glad you see the difference.:)
Not just me but I believe people who are non-interventionist and non-racist can criticize Israeli administration without jumping into criticizing an entire population.
There are many great Jewish people.
Another Jewish hero of mine is Israel Shahak, the man with balls of steel.
During his tenure as a president of the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights, Dr. Israel Shahak did more for human rights and world peace than any other nobel peace prize winner.
The man HAD balls of steel.
He is one of my main inspiration since I made his principle as my own that I never cover up any short comings from the people who share the same gene as mine.
Truth and honesty should come before everything.

idiom
06-01-2010, 01:23 AM
Before you go and do something stupid like boycott Israel...

http://www.bis.doc.gov/complianceandenforcement/antiboycottcompliance.htm

Imaginos
06-01-2010, 09:49 AM
YouTube - 'Israel is a Lunatic State' - Finkelstein on Gaza Flotilla Attack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB_CKL5h2_8&feature=player_embedded)