Fight war not wars...

[eOs]

Someone here posted a pic that began.."Fight war not wars..." Can anyone redirect me to that post? I appreciate it, thanks.

[QueenB4Liberty]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=247428

:D

[libertybrewcity]

how about fighting no war or wars?

[Agorism]

It's a Crass song. They started the anarcho-punk movement.

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/Gism13/normal_crass_fightwarnotwars.gif



YouTube - Crass - Fight war Not wars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jce4-CXTXzA)


YouTube - CRASS Documentary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPIpputRkJU)

[eOs]

hey thanks guys

[Agorism]

This is one of my favorite songs of theirs about "leftist" revolutions.

YouTube - Crass - Bloody Revolution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lEko6kMfng&feature=related)




"Bloody Revolution"
by Crass originally
recorded 1980

You talk about your revolution, well, that's fine
But what are you going to be doing come the time?
Are you going to be the big man with the tommy-gun?
Will you talk of freedom when the blood begins to run?
Well, freedom has no value if violence is the price
Don't want your revolution, I want anarachy and peace

Chorus: You talk of over throwing power with violence as your tool
You speak of liberation and when the people rule
Well ain't it people rule right now, what differnce would there be?
Just another set of bigots with their rifle-sights on me

But what about those people who don't want your new restrictions?
Those that disagree with you and have their own convictions?
You say thay've got it wrong becuase they don't agree with you
So when the recolution comes you'll have to run them through
Yet you say that revoution will bring freedom for us all
Well freedom just ain't freedom when your back's against the wall

Chorus

Will you indoctrinate the masses to serve your new regime?
And simply do away with those whose views are too extreme?
Transportation details could be left to British rail
Where Zyklon B sucessed, North Sea Gas will fail
It's just the same old story of man destroying man
We've got to look for other answers to the problems of this land

Chorus

Vive la revolution, people of the world unite
Stand up of courage, it's your job to fight

It all seems very easy, this revolution game
But when you start to really play thing won't be quite the same

Your intellectual theories on how it's going to be
Don't seem to take into accoutn the true reality
Cos the truth of what you're saying, as you sit there sipping beer
Is pain and death and suffering, but of course you wouldn't care
You're far too much of a man for that, if Mao did it so can you
What's the fredom of us all agaist the suffering of a few?
That's the kind of self-deception that killed ten million jews
Just the same false logic that all power-mogers use
So don't think you can fool me wiht your political tricks
Bovernment is government and all government is force
Left of right, right or left, it takes the same old course
Oppression and restriction, regulation, rule and law
The seizre of that power is all your revolution's for
You romanticise your heroes, qutoe from Marx and Mao
Well thir ideas of freedom are just oppression now

Nothing's changed for all the death that their ideas created
It's just the same fascistic games, but the rules aren't clearly stated
Nothing's really different cos all government's the same
They can call it freedom, but slavery is the game
There's nothgin that you offer but a dream of last years hero
The truth of revolution, bother..................... is year zero

[torchbearer]

the war on wars.

[Kludge]

I suspect the trouble stems from the introverted nature of many anarchists which tends to foster extreme self-accountability - so they don't understand why their country's nationalists take offense when those anarchists only direct criticism at people involved with the government of the country they belong to.

As much as some Americans are at fault for their aggressiveness, so too are some Afghanis. And still, you'll find the American anarchist blaming only Americans while the conservatives wonder why this person hates their community.

So, as a compromise, I hearby vow never to object to a war waged by my countrymen and will instead try to guilt-trip the ENEMIES of my country into becoming non-violent resisters of occupiers. That's right, Fahd Al-Quso - no longer must only Americans experience the obnoxious holier-than-thou rhetoric of pacifists. Your life basically just turned to shit.

[torchbearer]

I suspect the trouble stems from the introverted nature of many anarchists which tends to foster extreme self-accountability - so they don't understand why their country's nationalists take offense when those anarchists only direct criticism at people involved with the government of the country they belong to.

As much as some Americans are at fault for their aggressiveness, so too are some Afghanis. And still, you'll find the American anarchist blaming only Americans while the conservatives wonder why this person hates their community.

So, as a compromise, I hearby vow never to object to a war waged by my countrymen and will instead try to guilt-trip the ENEMIES of my country into becoming non-violent resisters of occupiers. That's right, Fahd Al-Quso - no longer must only Americans experience the obnoxious holier-than-thou rhetoric of pacifists. Your life basically just turned to shit.

I love you.

[Agorism]

So the strategy is to get all of the "enemies" to engage in nonviolent protest and to condemn the violent ones?

[Kludge]

So the strategy is to get all of the "enemies" to engage in nonviolent protest and to condemn the violent ones?

Yes. Pacifists gain converts, "terrorists" will be pacified, and Nationalists will probably be slightly less hostile toward a government whose people are holding peace rallies.


... The old way of trying to convert Americans was clearly naieve and misguided.



(I love you too, tb. -- Fuck off.)

[Agorism]

What of the American revolution?

Also the civil rights movement had a violent...or at least militant wing and pacifist part.

[TheFlashlight.org]

YouTube - The Beatles - All You Need Is Love ( with lyrics ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGWyfGk_LU)

Fight war not wars? Sounds better than the smoldering remnants of the destruction of mankind, and the last dying babies starving in a hellish nuclear winter.

[heavenlyboy34]

]I suspect the trouble stems from the introverted nature of many anarchists which tends to foster extreme self-accountability - so they don't understand why their country's nationalists take offense when those anarchists only direct criticism at people involved with the government of the country they belong to.
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As much as some Americans are at fault for their aggressiveness, so too are some Afghanis. And still, you'll find the American anarchist blaming only Americans while the conservatives wonder why this person hates their community.

So, as a compromise, I hearby vow never to object to a war waged by my countrymen and will instead try to guilt-trip the ENEMIES of my country into becoming non-violent resisters of occupiers. That's right, Fahd Al-Quso - no longer must only Americans experience the obnoxious holier-than-thou rhetoric of pacifists. Your life basically just turned to shit.

Naw. Anarchists are critical of ALL governments, militaries, and wars. :cool: