MSNBC "Breaking News" on New Rand Paul Controversy

[ssforronpaul]

That is actually what they said that about 10 minutes ago (12:50 PM) while I was in the kitchen and ran to see what was going on.

They said he stated he did not support citizenship for children of illegals.

I think he has officially turned into Palin for the left wingnuts.


ssforronpaul

[Fozz]

Kentuckians will be appalled.........lol

[MRoCkEd]

Kentuckians will be appalled.........lol
lol exactly!

2/3 of Kentuckians want Arizona's law in their own state!

This is a winning position that Ron Paul shares.

The question - Where does Jack stand on illegal immigration?

[MsDoodahs]

Oh, the horror!

MSDNC = morans.

;)

[RM918]

That is actually what they said that about 10 minutes ago (12:50 PM) while I was in the kitchen and ran to see what was going on.

They said he stated he did not support citizenship for children of illegals.

I think he has officially turned into Palin for the left wingnuts.


ssforronpaul

Ron's against anchor babies, as well. Not a big mystery. I suppose they'll make a big deal out of it, as well.

[TheDriver]

Go MSNBC!

Maybe the DNC will send out mailers telling the voters Jack supports this and Rand doesn't! :D

[RonPaulFanInGA]

I don't watch MSDNC at all. What, are they on an all-Rand thing right now? They kept pimping the recent phony "controversy" days after everyone else stopped caring, reprinted Ron Paul's e-mail yesterday on their website asking for donations for Rand and now this.

Anyway, I don't know their angle on this one, but I hope they push this one. I've no-doubt a good-sized majority in Kentucky agree with Rand Paul on this one.

hXXp://bluegrasspolitics.bloginky.com/2010/05/28/paul-opposes-citizenship-for-babies-of-illegals/

[Epic]

Uhh there is no other developed country that allows children of illegals to be citizens.

Also, here is that crazy extremist George Will: http://townhall.com/columnists/GeorgeWill/2010/03/28/a_birthright__maybe_not

Also, there are 90+ Republicans in the House who take this stance (there is a bill that they have cosponsored).

In addition, this is Ron Paul's stance too.

[lordindra3]

GOOD FOR PAUL!!!!! I just wrote him a message to stick to his guns on this! I told him that I didnt blame him at all for backing away from the CRA issue, but I begged him NOT to back away on this one. KY would love him for it! I told him that I am so happy someone is brave enough to stand up to the illegal cartel/lobby! People say anchor babies is constitutional and that is COMPLETE CRAP!! Ask Ron Paul, he explains it as well. But we cant question it because of PC bull! Anchor baby laws is actually the worst part of illegals and the wellfare state and an exploding demographic. They say that the percentage of babies born illegally that the tax payers end up paying for is like over 87% at 40k a pop! That makes it so we cant deport them either because now "we are breaking up families!!!" Give me a break....

Did you know extreme liberal Canada, of all places, had illegal immigrant birth right citizenship/anchor baby laws toss out due to a Chinese blooded Canadian parliament member who saw that many women were coming from China and popping out babies and he didnt want Canada (even though his own blood was Chinese... He was a proud Canadian first) to become a satalite nation and magic ATM for China so he threw away the law that says ILLEGALS who pop out babies are not automatica citizens (the babies that is)... That doesnt mean they still dont have birthright citizenship, because they still do, but you have to be here legally before you can become an automatic citizen. GREAT LAW!!!!

[PatriotOne]

That is actually what they said that about 10 minutes ago (12:50 PM) while I was in the kitchen and ran to see what was going on.

They said he stated he did not support citizenship for children of illegals.

I think he has officially turned into Palin for the left wingnuts.


ssforronpaul

OMG!!!!!! We'll lose the illegal immigrant vote and the other 10 people who find it appalling! I hope MSNBC runs with it :D.

[Matt Collins]

Oh, the horror!

MSDNC = morans.

Don't you mean "morons" :rolleyes: ;):p


I think he has officially turned into Palin for the left wingnuts. Yep, that is true. Rand is now the biggest target of the left!

[lordindra3]

I just finished that George Will article and I just wanted to pull my hair out for the massive insanity this country is plagued with!!! AHHH!! I cant stand it some times. Our government is so broken and so rediculous is horrible. The left knows that their policies by themselves are against American values and we majoritively vote Right, so they have to get law breakers in, buy them off by giving them well fare so that they can have power again. Oh lord, the humanity!

[sluggo]

More free advertising from those Marxist swine at MSNBC.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

More free advertising from those Marxist swine at MSNBC.

And it is something that helps Rand Paul!

Maybe next MSNBC will breathlessly report on how Rand Paul opposes gun control. :D

[lordindra3]

Anchor baby laws provide the biggest loop hole in the well fare state. My best friend who is a naturalized Vietnamese blood, but American citizen. He is more conservative than me due to what he sees as working for DSHS (where you get wellfare). He says over 60% of his applicants are illegals with children here who are legal. They all get wellfare because they dont have SS#s or they have fake ones and dont have to prove income. They make citizens prove the crap out of their income, but if you are illegal you simply have to say verbally "I dont work" and its simple as that they get $350 for ever 2 kids, plus $1000 a month in cash and all the medical they want and its roughly $40k for every delivery for each baby. My friend caught a guy who was making $8k a month in cash with his own landscaping business (long story how my friend caught him) yet was getting $800 in food, $1000 in cash and medical for each kid and after he caught the guy they didnt ask him to pay the money back (like they did for me when I went 1 week over my unemployment, plus interest), but said he cant have benefits for 6 months. Well, guess what? 6 months later he has a new fake SS and got his benefits all over again. Guess what he was doing with the money he got from his business? Sending it to mexico and Guatamala and was living off the wellfare. I just want to pull my hair out!!!

[MelissaWV]

"Anchor Babies" are just the gateway to "special circumstances" for amnesty.

A woman comes to the US illegally and gives birth to an "automatic citizen."

Perhaps someone tries to deport her (pretend; this is a hypothetical), but then there is an outcry! The US is trying to separate a mother from her newborn! The horror! Let her stay! :rolleyes:

Babies of two non-citizens should not be automatic citizens, period.

[Bruno]

More free advertising from those Marxist swine at MSNBC.

this :D

[sluggo]

And it is something that helps Rand Paul!

Maybe next MSNBC will breathlessly report on how Rand Paul opposes gun control. :D

They should say, "unlike his opponent Jack Conway, who favors tighter gun control laws and a path to citizenship for the children of undocumented workers (http://www.jackconway2010.com)."

:D

[Fozz]

Here is some DailyKos outrage

ht tp://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/28/870808/-Rand-Paul-to-abolish-Section-1-of-14th-Amendment,-ending-birthright-citizenship

ROFL

[sirgonzo420]

Here is some DailyKos outrage

ht tp://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/28/870808/-Rand-Paul-to-abolish-Section-1-of-14th-Amendment,-ending-birthright-citizenship

ROFL

It would be quite nice to do away with the 14th Amendment...

The 14th Amendment is NOT a good thing for people who like Liberty.

[MRoCkEd]

Here is some DailyKos outrage

ht tp://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/28/870808/-Rand-Paul-to-abolish-Section-1-of-14th-Amendment,-ending-birthright-citizenship

ROFL
Obviously Rand supports a constitutional amendment changing that... (but he should be clear on this with the media)

[sailingaway]

I've noticed that think progress and MoveOn put these stories out first, then the press grabs them.

Makes sense for them to push the contrived CRA 'racist' controversy first, so he might feel pressured to back off this. I think that was the reason for the 1964 act even being raised. They want to excite their base over immigration for the election. They don't think it will make a whit of difference in KY, and don't care. They are trying to address the 'enthusiasm gap' by dangling an immigration bill they had a year and a half to start, for 'after the election'.

The thing is, it isn't only THEIR base that feels their backs are against a wall on this issue.

The debate, actually, is whether 'jurisdiction under the law' applies to those who are born of people here in VIOLATION of the law. It wouldn't be retroactive, whether an amendment or a bill, though. Currently the immigration act makes someone born here a citizen, and congress clearly has the power of naturalization, so this would be a going forwards issue, to end an enticement.

[K466]

Morons
Scared
Naughty
Brats
Childish

[sailingaway]

I don't agree with that position at all. I cannot imagine me not being a citizen because my parents were here on a visa, and me having to be a Syrian, even though I have nothing to do with that country over there, that is a position by the Paul's that I don't agree with AT ALL.

Abe, it wouldn't apply to those here on a visa, the Supreme Court settled that about a hundred years ago. It would ONLY be regarding those born here while their parents were illegally here. Our infant/mother mortality rate doubled in the last 10 years because people come across the border illegally in the last stage of pregnancy and have had no prenatal care. It is abused regularly and systematically, because the KIDS then qualify for housing and other aid.

[MelissaWV]

I don't agree with that position at all. I cannot imagine me not being a citizen because my parents were here on a visa, and me having to be a Syrian, even though I have nothing to do with that country over there, that is a position by the Paul's that I don't agree with AT ALL.

What is being discussed, primarily, is the fact that people cross over the border (often already pregnant) to give birth to people who are automatically citizens and provided with the benefits and rights endowed to citizens. It often entitles the parents to special benefits, too.

Look at another side of this. If your parents were only vacationing in the USA and gave birth to you, would you be American or Syrian? If you were American, they would have a devil of a time getting home! They'd have a non-Syrian citizen without the appropriate paperwork trying to get into the country. That would be pretty rough.

[lordindra3]

Abe- we respect your feelings alot. However, take personal feelings out of this. I have in laws who are illegal and I am more close with my mother in law you would know, yet philosophically, I am very anti illegal immigration.

Back to the topic: You were born here while your parents had Visa's right??? So this doesnt apply to you. We are talking about giving citizenship to illegals!!! Even if your parents were here illegally, it doesnt mean that we want to change back time. With having someone like you in the liberty movement, you are a valuable asset. However, we still cant let future people become automatic citizens as a "loop hole" from their parents. Im sorry ITS WRONG! Morally and economically. Its unsustainable and its self defeating. When our system crashes, our debt exploads and we cant afford to give benefits and free stuff, the illegals will just walk back to their country because THEY DONT WANT TO BE HERE BECAUSE THEY LOVE AMERICA. They want to be here because there is incentive. Now you are a different case, even if your parents were illegal. I can tell you love this country. Nobody wants to revoke your citizenship. However, dont you think a 100 million poor Africans (just naming a poor region. The area itself has no meaning in this argument) would say the same thing as you just did? Does it mean we should let them all come here now because they dont want to live in a sink hole of a country? If we are using this logic then we should take our tax dollars and feed every elderly and poor child in the entire world "because its the right thing to do".... However, none of this matters because we have you as a great citizen and we are proud to have you in our movement. We can change back time right? So lets enjoy the benefit while we are together!

[Valli6]

I think this statement guarantees Rand Paul's win!

[lordindra3]

Abe- By the way, it does matter any more. We dont let pregnant women come here on vacation any more!

[Brian4Liberty]

Ron's against anchor babies, as well. Not a big mystery. I suppose they'll make a big deal out of it, as well.

They will basically go one by one through all of Ron's positions, and bring them up in regard to Rand. They'll really think it's fun to get them to disagree.



Perhaps someone tries to deport her (pretend; this is a hypothetical), but then there is an outcry! The US is trying to separate a mother from her newborn! The horror! Let her stay! :rolleyes:

That's not hypothetical. That was on the MSM last week when an elementary school girl said they were going to deport her mommy.

[PatriotOne]

Kentucky Demographics

Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2008 (b)........................2.4%

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/21000.html

Percentage of population sick of paying for illegals ..............................97.6%

Nuff said :)

[sailingaway]

It HAS to be to excite their base in the rest of the country. This is going to bring up Conway's pro-amnesty stance and kill him, in Kentucky.

They don't care. They figure this is a red state anyhow, and they can cut their losses elsewhere by making immigration an issue before the elections. I've seen a ton of leftist blogs talking about that (about making immigration an issue before the elections, that is, not on using Rand's views to do so.)

[driege]

Don't you mean "morons" :rolleyes: ;):p

He might have been referring to this...
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/f/f/get_a_brain_morans.jpg

[TheDriver]

It would be quite nice to do away with the 14th Amendment...

The 14th Amendment is NOT a good thing for people who like Liberty.

Amen!

[lordindra3]

Perhaps someone tries to deport her (pretend; this is a hypothetical), but then there is an outcry! The US is trying to separate a mother from her newborn! The horror! Let her stay!

Good ridance! Lol... Just kidding.. Im not that cold, but seriously, what are we going to do? Just keep all of them here on the government's teet because we feel sorry for them? Or michael Medved's argument that if we dont just cater to their will, GOP will never get votes again. That may be true if we let them stay here and thats why we must ENFORCE OUR LAWS!!! Jeez, its not that hard people!!!

Did you know what Mex Pres lectured us and insulted our self preseving laws in our own country, that he was being the biggest hypocrite I have ever heard of in my llife??? His own laws state that if you ask for any gov. help such as police or anything your first requirement is to see legal docs?? So you could be brutally raped and held hostage by drug dealers and you wont get help because you are not in Mexico legally. You cant even protest in Mexico unless you are citizen. In Mexico they descriminate on who gets papers to come in the country based on race!! In mexico, the government says all citizens get preferential treatment for any service or employment opportunity over any body else, legal resident or alien (obviously alien). In Mex, you cant be poor and get in legally. Illegal crossing is a minimum 2 year prison sentence and if you are caught again its 10 years in prison!!! Guess what? They dont have an illegal problem.. Im not saying we should be as ruthless as them, im just calling out what a selfish coward Caldarone is and how the Democrats should be ashamed of themselves for insulting all of us for applauding him like he was our elected president!

[Jeremy]

Kentucky Demographics

Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2008 (b)........................2.4%

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/21000.html

Percentage of population sick of paying for illegals ..............................97.6%

Nuff said :)

This comment seems racist.

[lordindra3]

This comment seems racist.

I dont! Politically incorrect, yes, but racist? Cummon, where? It may be a little bit of a stretch, but it seems truthful to me.

[dude58677]

Amen!

What if the department of health was abolished and then all 50 enacted single payer systems? The department of education might be abolished but every state still has public schools?

[TheDriver]

What if the department of health was abolished and then all 50 enacted single payer systems? The department of education might be abolished but every state still has public schools?

What if ? :rolleyes:

The States have the right to enact those, if decided by the people.

[sailingaway]

You know, this shows Rand has to get back to spreading his message.

They have all kinds of clips they can try to make a big deal out of and if HE doesn't send his own message he'll spend all his time responding to the message THEY want to send.

[Carole]

That is actually what they said that about 10 minutes ago (12:50 PM) while I was in the kitchen and ran to see what was going on.

They said he stated he did not support citizenship for children of illegals.

I think he has officially turned into Palin for the left wingnuts.


ssforronpaul
Actually Ron Paul has suggested an end to birthright citizenship.

[dude58677]

What if ? :rolleyes:

The States have the right to enact those, if decided by the people.
If a state wants to nullify the IRS or the Department of Education that is fine with me. I just think that the tyranny of progressivism should also be eliminated at the local state level. If I'm wrong about this I would love to be corrected.

[MelissaWV]

...That's not hypothetical. That was on the MSM last week when an elementary school girl said they were going to deport her mommy.

Actually, she didn't say they were going to deport her mommy. What she said was that her mommy didn't have papers, and then the Government basically said they wouldn't pursue it because the mommy wasn't dangerous enough. I found that idiotic. How do you know what that kid's mommy is or isn't? Anyways, it's just another instance of the Government not backing its own laws, which will lead to more misguided state efforts. The states seem to really like Arizona's verbiage, which will be great for those who like e-verify and massive loopholes which allow for warrantless arrests. *sighs*

* * *


Kentucky Demographics

Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2008 (b)........................2.4%

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/21000.html

Percentage of population sick of paying for illegals ..............................97.6%

Nuff said :)


This comment seems racist.

It's a popular misconception, and one that won't be changed anytime soon. There's an embarrassingly large segment of the populace that believes all _________s think the same way. In this case, the blank is filled by "Hispanic." The idea that people from South America, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Mexico, Central America, etc. all think the same way is silly. I don't support the notion of anchor babies, and I'm Hispanic. Darn. I must be too small to make a change in percentages, though, or perhaps the Hispanics in Kentucky are more racist than those in the rest of the country (that could happen!).


I dont! Politically incorrect, yes, but racist? Cummon, where? It may be a little bit of a stretch, but it seems truthful to me.

Of course. All Hispanics support illegal immigration, anchor babies, and amnesty. Just like all "white folks" are racist, backwoods yokels.

[BamaFanNKy]

Im with Melissa. I have quite a few hispanics in my family (cuba, Panama, Puerto Rico, Costa Rica, Mexico). None of them like the anchor baby thing. I'm there for you Melissa:
YouTube - Kid Frost- La Raza (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUEWRp4zrdk)

[Carole]

It just needs to be amended to contain the word "legal" citizen. In other words, a child born of a legal citizen.....

This is the way it should have been written in the first place. The amendment is too open-ended without the word "legal" citizen.

[MelissaWV]

It just needs to be amended to contain the word "legal" citizen. In other words, a child born of a legal citizen.....

I think there's already something similar on the books for a child in the legal custody of a citizen. I recall seeing some television program where people coming home with the children they adopted in China were celebrating when they landed, because those children had just become American citizens.

[BamaFanNKy]

Watch this report. I feel for parents but, I choose people doing it legal.

YouTube - Mexicans --- "Anchors Aweigh" on US Soil (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_ZnX9JRo5M&feature=related)

[lordindra3]

Of course. All Hispanics support illegal immigration, anchor babies, and amnesty. Just like all "white folks" are racist, backwoods yokels.

Yeah, so?? We are!... Lol... Just kidding.....

No, I didnt mean all hispanics think that way. That wasnt my point. I was saying that running on this principal of being anti illegal immigration is good in KY, so I emailed Rand to not stand down on this issue. Thats all.....

Since we are on this topic though. Speaking with a hispanic (im actually 1/8th mexican believe it or not. Im also 1/8th Native American, but im as white and Irish looking as they come), why are we constantly bombarded with the story that we have to support open borders if we want to get hispanic vote??? To me THAT sounds like we are asking to jeopordize our principals for political power. I am not saying its true, I am asking if its true. I can stand "La Raza" because they want to benefit their "Race" over whats good for the country. If every body did whats good for their "people" then we would have lots of problems, wouldnt we not?

[low preference guy]

Obviously Rand supports a constitutional amendment changing that... (but he should be clear on this with the media)

Not necessarily.

The key part is underlined. The key question is whether illegals are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. It has to be tested in courts after a law is passed.



Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[lordindra3]

Watch this report. I feel for parents but, I choose people doing it legal.

YouTube - Mexicans --- "Anchors Aweigh" on US Soil

Oh my lord!! 300000 anchor babies a year? Each delivery costs us money?!?!? This is seriously unsustainable and its ruined my mood. Damnit...

[PatriotOne]

It's a popular misconception, and one that won't be changed anytime soon. There's an embarrassingly large segment of the populace that believes all _________s think the same way. In this case, the blank is filled by "Hispanic." The idea that people from South America, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Mexico, Central America, etc. all think the same way is silly. I don't support the notion of anchor babies, and I'm Hispanic. Darn. I must be too small to make a change in percentages, though, or perhaps the Hispanics in Kentucky are more racist than those in the rest of the country (that could happen!).


I agree with you actually. I have a Hispanic friend who doesn't support illegal immigration. Many legal immigrants (including Hispanics) don't want to support illegals with their taxes or have to compete for jobs with illegals either. Much like most white people don't appreciate paying for other white people on the welfare roles.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Kentucky Demographics

Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2008 (b)........................2.4%

[/URL][URL]http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/21000.html (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/21000.html)

Percentage of population sick of paying for illegals ..............................97.6%

Nuff said :)

Man... where's those spanish commercials that aired in the southwest (Arizona, California, New Mexico, Texas, etc, especially late night... "buy the immigrant package Boom Box/ learn-speak English / know all the entitlement/welfare/aid programs of the states/US.

Now that was classic exploitation of America.

[MelissaWV]

Yeah, so?? We are!... Lol... Just kidding.....

No, I didnt mean all hispanics think that way. That wasnt my point. I was saying that running on this principal of being anti illegal immigration is good in KY, so I emailed Rand to not stand down on this issue. Thats all.....

Since we are on this topic though. Speaking with a hispanic (im actually 1/8th mexican believe it or not. Im also 1/8th Native American, but im as white and Irish looking as they come), why are we constantly bombarded with the story that we have to support open borders if we want to get hispanic vote??? To me THAT sounds like we are asking to jeopordize our principals for political power. I am not saying its true, I am asking if its true. I can stand "La Raza" because they want to benefit their "Race" over whats good for the country. If every body did whats good for their "people" then we would have lots of problems, wouldnt we not?

"La Raza" is a race banner group, much like the NAACP. The trouble with rights groups, including racially-based ones, is that once they achieve a little equality, they have to keep finding problems in order to justify themselves. It's a vicious cycle, and they are vocal idiots. They should get as much attention as NOW, ACLU, NAACP, and so on.

The pandering to get the "Hispanic vote" is idiotic, but if you look at the way the electoral college works, there are states at risk that draw the attention of politicians. What they don't realize is that those border states in which the "Hispanic vote" could come into play also contain a lot of people who resent illegals (and, sometimes, legals just because they get lumped together) and hate the notion of amnesty. It's a wash. The Hispanic citizenry (legal) votes based on any number of factors, just the same as the "white" citizenry or the "black" citizenry. That does include some morons who will stupidly herd themselves towards whichever candidate gives the speech in Spanish (most candidates make them) with the cleverest accent. It's disgusting.

The country is that group of people "over there" to groups like La Raza. There are so many insular communities along the border, and a great deal of ignorance about basic economics. All a lot of these people see is that they want their friends and family to come on over, and they want the "as advertised" American Dream, and they want money, and they want all sorts of other things. It gets ugly. The flipside is bad legislation. We're getting more of it by the day.

I don't think this entire thing will end well for anyone.

[lordindra3]

By the way, have we even began talking about the crime yet??? Dont jump on me, crime isnt based on race. Crime comes from poverty. But when you import droves and droves and droves of a country's poor into this country, mix it with American culture, you get extremely violent gangs. In prison in California, hispanic gangs nearly double the population of both white and black prisons. In prison in Califoria, you have the Black guerrila family, then you have the Aryan Brotherhood for whites and then the hispanic gangs are so big they have to break up into 2 different sets of north and southerners. There are over a million gang members in California and thats a quarter of Washington (im in seattle) state's entire population and they are dominated by a particular culture. Again, this is not about any race or ethnicity, its about poverty. However, poverty begets poverty. When mom is on wellfare, there is over 50% chance the children will be on wellfare. Wellfare is VERY generational.... *sigh*... This country has alot of issues and we can stop it until we break PC bull

[Valli6]

They will basically go one by one through all of Ron's positions, and bring them up in regard to Rand.
:confused:Yeah, I'm starting to get the feeling that Rand's campaign is being used as one big exploratory effort to determine Ron's chance of winning in 2012.

[lordindra3]

"La Raza" is a race banner group, much like the NAACP. The trouble with rights groups, including racially-based ones, is that once they achieve a little equality, they have to keep finding problems in order to justify themselves. It's a vicious cycle, and they are vocal idiots. They should get as much attention as NOW, ACLU, NAACP, and so on.

The pandering to get the "Hispanic vote" is idiotic, but if you look at the way the electoral college works, there are states at risk that draw the attention of politicians. What they don't realize is that those border states in which the "Hispanic vote" could come into play also contain a lot of people who resent illegals (and, sometimes, legals just because they get lumped together) and hate the notion of amnesty. It's a wash. The Hispanic citizenry (legal) votes based on any number of factors, just the same as the "white" citizenry or the "black" citizenry. That does include some morons who will stupidly herd themselves towards whichever candidate gives the speech in Spanish (most candidates make them) with the cleverest accent. It's disgusting.

The country is that group of people "over there" to groups like La Raza. There are so many insular communities along the border, and a great deal of ignorance about basic economics. All a lot of these people see is that they want their friends and family to come on over, and they want the "as advertised" American Dream, and they want money, and they want all sorts of other things. It gets ugly. The flipside is bad legislation. We're getting more of it by the day.

I don't think this entire thing will end well for anyone.

Good points! I enjoyed your writing.

[MelissaWV]

By the way, have we even began talking about the crime yet??? Dont jump on me, crime isnt based on race. Crime comes from poverty. But when you import droves and droves and droves of a country's poor into this country, mix it with American culture, you get extremely violent gangs. In prison in California, hispanic gangs nearly double the population of both white and black prisons. In prison in Califoria, you have the Black guerrila family, then you have the Aryan Brotherhood for whites and then the hispanic gangs are so big they have to break up into 2 different sets of north and southerners. There are over a million gang members in California and thats a quarter of Washington (im in seattle) state's entire population and they are dominated by a particular culture. Again, this is not about any race or ethnicity, its about poverty. However, poverty begets poverty. When mom is on wellfare, there is over 50% chance the children will be on wellfare. Wellfare is VERY generational.... *sigh*... This country has alot of issues and we can stop it until we break PC bull

Welfare, poverty... and lack of opportunity in general. That last one can be linked to our lovely Government schools, which do such a glorious job of helping youngsters land jobs and become productive members of society. :( If you grow up in a bad neighborhood, are borderline illiterate, your mother (and possibly your father, if he's around) is a poor example or on welfare or worse... well, what's next? There's not much you can do, other than become another moron with a gun and a tattoo.

It's a huge, HUGE mess.

[Knightskye]

Do you think they're actually trying to help him?

How many people in Kentucky watch MSNBC?

[specsaregood]

Clearly MSNBC wants to see Rand get elected. I hope the DNC runs commercials in KY saying how Rand is against birthright citizenship for children of illegals.

[BlackTerrel]

Big difference between this and the other "controversy". I imagine this will go over well in Kentucky.

[torchbearer]

I don't agree with that position at all. I cannot imagine me not being a citizen because my parents were here on a visa, and me having to be a Syrian, even though I have nothing to do with that country over there, that is a position by the Paul's that I don't agree with AT ALL.

if your parents were here legally, that is a little bit different.
Rand is talking about babies born to people who are illegally here.

[AuH20]

Rand is playing with them like a cat playing with a ball of string. Keep attacking him and increasing his exposure. Only half the democrats in this country don't have a problem with the lawful contact provision in the Arizona law. In other words, keep pushing and Conway will lose by THIRTY POINTS!!

[angelatc]

I don't agree with that position at all. I cannot imagine me not being a citizen because my parents were here on a visa, and me having to be a Syrian, even though I have nothing to do with that country over there, that is a position by the Paul's that I don't agree with AT ALL.

Sounds like your parents were here legally, in which case you'd still be ok, in a country run by Ron Paul. He has only said that the birthright citizenship shouldn't apply to people who are here illegally.

[sailingaway]

Big difference between this and the other "controversy". I imagine this will go over well in Kentucky.

This isn't about Kentucky. I've been seeing all over liberal blogs that 'it's a good thing that unlike 1994, at least this time "we have warning and can get the base excited. If immigration is an issue in the election that will bring out our voters...." I've seen that general statement multiple times.


They are worried about the enthusiasm gap on the left with the tea parties on the right.

They are making Rand the poster boy for the tea parties (not that he actually tried to dodge that) and are painting it as racist and as a threat to minorities, broadly. To turn out vote.

If rhetoric gets nasty, it will have been coldbloodedly turned on, to keep their seats.

[MelissaWV]

This isn't about Kentucky. I've been seeing all over liberal blogs that 'it's a good thing that unlike 1994, at least this time "we have warning and can get the base excited. If immigration is an issue in the election that will bring out our voters...." I've seen that general statement multiple times.


They are worried about the enthusiasm gap on the left with the tea parties on the right.

They are making Rand the poster boy for the tea parties (not that he actually tried to dodge that) and are painting it as racist and as a threat to minorities, broadly. To turn out vote.

If rhetoric gets nasty, it will have been coldbloodedly turned on, to keep their seats.

Having anchor babies on US soil, while something mostly associated with Mexicans crossing the border, is not limited to Hispanics. Haitians cross over to Puerto Rico and do the same thing there, that's for sure. It is something people from impoverished nations, with access to landing on US soil or crossing onto it, will do as long as it gives them a fast path to benefits and potential citizenship for themselves, and a "better life" for the child.

[angelatc]

Here is some DailyKos outrage

ht tp://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/28/870808/-Rand-Paul-to-abolish-Section-1-of-14th-Amendment,-ending-birthright-citizenship

ROFL

The blogger's name is "Ministry Of Truth?" Uh....

[AdamT]

I can't wait until Rand wins to shut these petty attacks up.

[lordindra3]

Having anchor babies on US soil, while something mostly associated with Mexicans crossing the border, is not limited to Hispanics. Haitians cross over to Puerto Rico and do the same thing there, that's for sure. It is something people from impoverished nations, with access to landing on US soil or crossing onto it, will do as long as it gives them a fast path to benefits and potential citizenship for themselves, and a "better life" for the child.

You are 100% correct! Thats why the system its self is broken. Its not just one type of people, although they are the biggest culprits. We have to fix this system. You know, the ONLY way I would compromise on this whole immigration reform is to seriously take away anchor baby laws and then I would consider the worker guest program. If not, Id say just deport all of them!

[anaconda]

Work it, Rand!

He's only gonna get more and more popular. Look for a 35 point spanking of the Democrat in November.

[roho76]

I think he has officially turned into Palin for the left wingnuts.

Win.

[theboone1980]

I happen to disagree with Dr. Paul on this particular issue, but I noticed he is asking for a Constitutional amendment and not another legislative powergrab. I commend him for following the Constitution regardless of the position.

Also, regardless of my stance on this issue, I saw a recent poll that showed a majority of Americans believe the children of illegal immigrants should not become automatic citizens. I am sure the numbers supporting Dr. Paul's position would be even higher in Kentucky.

[sailingaway]

Having anchor babies on US soil, while something mostly associated with Mexicans crossing the border, is not limited to Hispanics. Haitians cross over to Puerto Rico and do the same thing there, that's for sure. It is something people from impoverished nations, with access to landing on US soil or crossing onto it, will do as long as it gives them a fast path to benefits and potential citizenship for themselves, and a "better life" for the child.

Oh, I know it. But that is not how the left will paint it because they want it to be a race issue.

[GoatsGoneWild]

Can someone please clarify the 14th amendment?

Are illegal immigrants the jurisdiction of the United States? Has the Supreme Court ruled on cases related to this?

The left is going to try to paint Rand as a hypocrite. I understand that he might support a constitutional amendment over this but I would like to see better clarification on whether or not that is even necessary.

Is it consistent with the 14th amendment to say that children of illegal immigrants are non-citizens since they aren't slaves?

I hope the Judge comments on this.

[orenbus]

I happen to disagree with Dr. Paul on this particular issue, but I noticed he is asking for a Constitutional amendment and not another legislative powergrab. I commend him for following the Constitution regardless of the position.

Also, regardless of my stance on this issue, I saw a recent poll that showed a majority of Americans believe the children of illegal immigrants should not become automatic citizens. I am sure the numbers supporting Dr. Paul's position would be even higher in Kentucky.

I also disagree with Dr. Paul on this issue, it's only one of three that I disagree with him on, but I doubt this issue will impact his chances to win in Kentucky.

[lordindra3]

Seriously guys, I am always one who respects peoples belief and would listen to everyone democratically if I was magically in power. However, this is one of the issues that I would be a tyrant on if I was the King. Even if the people all agreed with this law, I would enforce against it anyway and thats how strongly I KNOW anchor babies to be wrong. Its not a belief, I actually KNOW its extremely destructive and every study has supported my KNOWING (again NOT belief). Thanks

[Depressed Liberator]

I was born a citizen when my parents legally immigrated to the U.S. Does this mean Rand would be against my citizenship?

[MelissaWV]

I was born a citizen when my parents legally immigrated to the U.S. Does this mean Rand would be against my citizenship?

No.

[RM918]

Emphasis is on illegal. No doubt MSNBC doesn't want it to be.

[BamaFanNKy]

I'm pretty sure people in Eastern Kentucky at the Gun and Grocery store do not support anchor babies:
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[AuH20]

Call me crazy but I'm think if Rand threw himself into the 2012 primaries he'd be a serious player. Between the CRA and this stand, he's really certified his street cred. Rand is the lone voice willing to talk about these TABOO issues. The people welcome when they see a true maverick bumping the PC rhetoric.

[MelissaWV]

Call me crazy but I'm think if Rand threw himself into the 2012 primaries he'd be a serious player. Between the CRA and this stand, he's really certified his street cred. Rand is the lone voice willing to talk about these TABOO issues. The people welcome when they see a true maverick bumping the PC rhetoric.

I think Rand is great where he's going to be... for now.

Electing a one-term/partial-term Senator for President is not high on anyone's priorities list. Well, okay, this time.

[aravoth]

Here is some DailyKos outrage

ht tp://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/28/870808/-Rand-Paul-to-abolish-Section-1-of-14th-Amendment,-ending-birthright-citizenship

ROFL

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c370/aravoth/trek_hmm.gif

[Corto_Maltese]

Anyone have a link to the show?

[Agorism]

what is ss?

[klamath]

These people are aware this won't effect KY much. They see Rand as a potential presidential candidate and they are trying to harm him in states with high hispanic and black populations.

[Nathan Hale]

I'm not reading 9 pages of posts, but I'd like to offer my opinion. Apologies if it's already been said. Anyway, this controversy is GREAT, especially because it's MSNBC at the helm. That first shot over the bow about the CRA was BRUTAL and cost us a lot. Because MSNBC has blown their load and "controversied" a totally mainstream opinion, they lost the credibility of their initial argument. Now Rand can truly say that they're just going after him for stupid shit.

[Imperial]

They see Rand as a potential presidential candidate and they are trying to harm him in states with high hispanic and black populations.

That is why Rand cannot run in 2012 for president. All of this controversy will be WAY too fresh. 2016 is the way to go. Let Ron Paul up the liberty movement's profile with one last run!

The big reason we have birthright citizenship was b/c people were preventing Chinese immigrants from ever becoming citizens and giving them no economic activity. But the Civil Rights Act has pretty much undermined any potential for this situation to occur again, and the rampant xenophobia that could be found in past times is less prolific today. There is no reason this provision should be kept.

[0zzy]

My parents overstayed their visas, but now are citizens of the U.S. I seriously can't imagine myself being identified as not being American, I was born in the US, lived here all my life, and am an average American, I can sympathize with anchor babies I guess...

But he isn't saying they should revoke the rights of anchor babies, just that the law should be changed (or correctly interpreted) going forward.

But I understand your hesitance.