What in the World are They Spraying?

[PatriotOne]

"What in the World are They Spraying?" - Official Trailer

Producer G Edward Griffith

YouTube - "What in the World are They Spraying?" - Official Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te_FOsKL_5Q)

[Brian4Liberty]

What they are spraying on the Gulf to react with the oil (and pumping directly into the water next to the well leak) is a far greater concern. Those are some real chemtrails...

[MelissaWV]

What they are spraying on the Gulf to react with the oil (and pumping directly into the water next to the well leak) is a far greater concern. Those are some real chemtrails...

Do you ever get the feeling that, in not too terribly long, there will be a press conference saying "We did it! We stopped the oil!" with a backdrop of the beaches entirely saturated with crude, golf balls, mud, concrete, old tires, chemical residue from the spraying, mutated animals....

Some nagging little corner of my mind that has no proof for this wonders whether or not an oil slick of that size, in that area, will actually eventually have its own impact on the weather.

[Brian4Liberty]

Do you ever get the feeling that, in not too terribly long, there will be a press conference saying "We did it! We stopped the oil!" with a backdrop of the beaches entirely saturated with crude, golf balls, mud, concrete, old tires, chemical residue from the spraying, mutated animals....

Some nagging little corner of my mind that has no proof for this wonders whether or not an oil slick of that size, in that area, will actually eventually have its own impact on the weather.

It will have an impact on a lot of things. In addition to the oil and gas, we now have tons of chemicals being dumped to "disperse" the oil. The oil isn't going away, they are just distributing it around differently, with a whole lot of added chemicals and unknown downstream reactions. This is an epic disaster.

[Bruno]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/25/louisiana-fishermen-reportedly-getting-sick-cleaning-gulf-bp/Biden

Some Louisiana fishermen affected by the massive oil spill in the Gulf — including some hired by BP to help in the cleanup — are reporting cases of debilitating headaches, burning eyes and nausea, and some industry and public officials are pointing the finger at chemical dispersants as the cause.

Gary Burris, a fisherman who works along the Gulf Coast, said he has observed planes spraying dispersants into the water, a chemical rain meant to stop oil slicks from forming and break down the crude more quickly.

Now Burris says that after breathing in the dispersants he grew ill and disoriented, confining himself to bed for days and ultimately going to a doctor for treatment and antibiotics.

"It filled my lungs with fluid," he said. "I'm hurting — I'm sore from coughing."

Burris and other residents of the Gulf are reporting a slew of symptoms that some biologists say are directly attributable to the chemicals now gushing into the Gulf on a daily basis.

"These are the exact symptoms that you could expect from overexposure to crude oil and to the chemicals that are being used out on the cleanup," said Riki Ott, a marine toxicologist and activist who worked on the cleanup in Alaska after the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill.

Ott said she had been in contact with several Louisiana fishermen suffering a range of ailments —"sore throats, burning headaches, burning eyes, skin rashes, nausea, dizziness" — that track with those suffered in the aftermath of the Valdez spill. The dispersants, she says, compound the health risks created by exposure to crude oil.

"This is like throwing kerosene on a fire," she said.

BP has sprayed more than 800,000 gallons of dispersant into the Gulf since an explosion on the Deepwater Horizon oil rig on April 20. At the same time, the oil giant has been enlisting the paid help of Gulf fishermen, whose fleet of hundreds of boats provides them broad access to areas affected by the spill.

BP's "Vessels of Opportunity" program employs commercial fishermen to hem in surface oil and help clean oil clumping along the coast, creating work for the industry likely to suffer most in the fallout from the oil spill.

But critics say the rudimentary safety training given to the fishermen isn't enough. While BP's "key requirements" include a four-hour training session and a dockside examination by the Coast Guard, the company does not appear to be providing special Hazmat equipment for the ad hoc cleanup crews.

"We are not seeing correct personal protection equipment," said Clint Guidry, secretary of the Louisiana Shrimp Association, who touted his own experience with toxins from working on oil rigs before he became a fisherman.

Guidry's colleague, Acy Cooper, gave a blunt assessment of the situation faced by fishermen patrolling the Gulf's oily waters.

"They're putting themselves at risk ... [with] nothing to protect themselves," he said Thursday. "Their eyes are burning, their noses are burning, but all of them need to go — they need the money."

The Coast Guard referred inquiries about the health of service members patrolling the Gulf to a unified command team set up by BP. Calls and an e-mail message sent to BP seeking comment about their safety measures were not returned.

Some fishermen aiding in the cleanup are reluctant to speak out against BP in public for fear of losing their temporary jobs, while others are willing to abide the hazards in order to keep earning paychecks from the company, according to fishermen who spoke to FoxNews.com.

"The problem is some of the fishermen don't want to lose the jobs they've got," said George Barisich, head of the United Commercial Fishermen's Association. "Kind of a Catch-22 situation."

Members of Congress are now demanding better safety precautions for fishermen surrounding the use of dispersants in order to protect those involved in the cleanup.

Rep. Edward Markey, chairman of the House subcommittee on energy and the environment, criticized BP for ignoring a directive from the Environmental Protection Agency to use less toxic chemicals to help disperse the oil.

"The release of hundreds of thousands of gallons of chemicals into the Gulf of Mexico could be an unprecedented, large and aggressive experiment on our oceans," said Markey, a Democrat from Massachusetts.

"[T]he reality is we know almost nothing about the potential harm from the long-term use of any of these chemicals on the marine environment in the Gulf of Mexico, and even less about their potential to enter the food chain and ultimately harm humans," Markey said in a written statement Sunday.

Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-La., is urging the White House to establish temporary health clinics in the Gulf to help afflicted workers.

"Many residents and volunteers are being exposed to hazardous materials on a daily basis, and some will have to travel hours to get treatment at the nearest health care facility," he said in a letter to Kathleen Sebelius, secretary of Health and Human Services.

"It is imperative that temporary health care clinics be established to provide basic health care services in this geographic area."

Melancon argued that BP should foot the bill for the clinics if any are set up, though it remains unclear how many would be necessary or how long they would be required.

"What is most frightening about the long-term effects of the oil and the dispersant chemicals isn't what we know, it is what we just don't know," said Markey.

[MelissaWV]

:mad:

[PatriotOne]

What they are spraying on the Gulf to react with the oil (and pumping directly into the water next to the well leak) is a far greater concern. Those are some real chemtrails...

Yes..those are a concern also but I wouldn't say it is worse than poisoning the population with Chemtrails and lowering out immune systems over the past decade. Just a slower, less visible depopulation of the plebs and intentional environmental disaster.

At any rate, this thread is to discuss Chemtrails, not the oil spill. I know alot of people have resepct for Griffith and thought this upcoming film might put a rest to the argument of Conpiracy Theory or Conspiracy Fact. I know fact because I see it right over my head on a regular basis but others just can't wrap their heads around it yet.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I can vouch for the chemtrail thing. I was skeptical until one day I was driving and I saw the infamous grid pattern being sprayed, this huge stream of this cloudy stuff coming from a tiny tiny plane.

[phill4paul]

How can things get so FUBAR on so many levels at increasing intervals?

I use to believe it was the rapid dissemination of information that we have only, relatively, acquired.

I've come to the understanding that things ARE so FUBAR on so many levels and occurring at increasingly narrower intervals.

[PatriotOne]

How can things get so FUBAR on so many levels at increasing intervals?

I use to believe it was the rapid dissemination of information that we have only, relatively, acquired.

I've come to the understanding that things ARE so FUBAR on so many levels and occurring at increasingly narrower intervals.

They are attempting to create "Order out of Chaos". I.E., New World Order, One World Government, Global Governance, etc., etc., etc. All the chaos is intentional and meant to topple governments (including our own) and put them at the mercy of the International Organizations like the U.N., IMF, etc. You are watching a scripted movie except theze sick bastards are causing death and human suffering, environmental damage, aqnd everything else you can think of to bring in their New World Order. They are evil, evil people. Hard to believe people can be this evil but all one has to do is research history to see that it is not uncommon in history. Just so happens that America is on their hit list now that we have done our job to further their agenda.

[phill4paul]

They are attempting to create...


I've come to the understanding that things ARE so FUBAR on so many levels and occurring at increasingly narrower intervals.

Thumbs up to Bill Hicks sig. :)

[Danke]

http://i.cr3ation.co.uk/dl/s1/jpg/facepalm.jpg

[tpreitzel]

I'd also like to know. I'm not an expert on atmospheric phenomena, but if I remember correctly from childhood, don't contrails normally evaporate within minutes even if the atmosphere is fairly saturated with water vapor?

I've also noticed that jets flying through the Laurel, MT area today have contrails that persist for hours and clouds form near the contrail, but outside the main trail. Furthermore, the trails have a clear beginning and ending over the general area. The skies were fairly clear earlier, but have since turned quite cloudy after some jets flew through the area. One can see clouds form near the contrails and then spread into a general overcast.

[tpreitzel]

"Of course, this is no natural phenomenon as the article claims. Ten years ago, contrails from jet aircraft disappeared within minutes, yet apparently we are led to believe that the same substance is now causing the trails to linger for hours and form into clouds. This is impossible without something within the substance having been changed."


Little doubt as I also have photographs of con (chem) trails turning into nearly complete clouds within an hour. Furthermore, I think some justification exists for linking these con (chem) trails with the cooler than normal temperatures and rare violent weather experienced recently in the Billings, MT area.

http://www.infowars.com/scientists-admit-chemtrails-are-creating-artificial-clouds-2/

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/july2010/020710top2.jpg (http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/july2010/020710top2.jpg)

[Zippyjuan]

The visibility of contrails depends on three factors. Humidity, temperature, and wind speeds up where the airplane is flying. These can be greately different from those you experience at ground level.

[PatriotOne]

The visibility of contrails depends on three factors. Humidity, temperature, and wind speeds up where the airplane is flying. These can be greately different from those you experience at ground level.

Thanks for yet another unneeded lesson on Contrails 101. We all know what contrails are. Maybe you can educate yourself on Chemtrails now and stop confusing the subjects? The subject is chemtrails...not contrails Zippy.

[MelissaWV]

I wish they were spraying Febreeze.

The world stinks.

[tpreitzel]

Thanks for yet another unneeded lesson on Contrails 101. We all know what contrails are. Maybe you can educate yourself on Chemtrails now and stop confusing the subjects? The subject is chemtrails...not contrails Zippy.

Exactly. Personally, I don't ever recall in many decades the blatant spraying which is now occurring. Actually, near busier airports in larger metropolitan areas, one rarely sees the sun anymore, i.e. within the past decade or so, due to obvious cloud cover induced by chemical spraying. This situation has become so pervasive that immediate action needs to be taken by local governments to analyze the fuel commonly used in jet aircraft (JP-8?).

[silverhandorder]

That is nice after we end the fed and welfare state I will research this issue. Until then gl on your quest to waste time.

[MelissaWV]

It hasn't happened near the airports I've lived near, and that's all I can speak to. Sometimes there's an incredible variation in the weather caused by the bigger airports, since they become so oppressively hot, and all that pavement does a number on the area. I see mostly contrails, and they tend to wander off rather harmlessly.

I've seen black helicopters at all hours, I've seen very large military aircraft inexplicably low in areas where there should be nowhere for them to land, and I've seen all manner of strange aerial acrobatics (as if to test whether or not people would notice, become alarmed, and dial 9-1-1), but chemtrails are still elusive. Videographic and photographic evidence isn't convincing to me, seeing as it is next to impossible to determine the conditions at the altitude in question at the time of the evidence being gathered. I have seen some very precise-looking contrail patterns in the past, but they didn't turn into clouds, they didn't cause any distress, and they just tended to drift off (at which point another plane traveling the same route would leave a contrail, giving a very "parallel" look to the trails). Some of the photos/videos look like that to me, but I can't say for certain if that's what's going on.

I have no reason to believe the Government is launching a widespread spraying campaign. I also have no reason to really doubt the credibility of people who swear what they are seeing is unusual for their area, and having consequences on the ground. The Government is prone to nefarious things, and people are prone to the power of suggestion, but I don't think neither fully explains the phenomenon.

If it's reaching the ground as people claim, it seems like it would be possible to take soil samples, or even leave out cameras aimed skyward or across the cityscape (like lots of television stations have) to capture the results of the spraying. I see a great deal of evidence that something is in the sky, but very little study of what's going on underneath. If it doesn't reach the ground, then I fail to see the purpose of the spraying. Even precipitation would seem to have some trace elements of the chemicals, since the allegations are that the chemicals spread into the clouds themselves.

More evidence seems to be in order, and less rudeness to those trying to gather it.

[PatriotOne]

If it's reaching the ground as people claim, it seems like it would be possible to take soil samples, or even leave out cameras aimed skyward or across the cityscape (like lots of television stations have) to capture the results of the spraying. I see a great deal of evidence that something is in the sky, but very little study of what's going on underneath. If it doesn't reach the ground, then I fail to see the purpose of the spraying. Even precipitation would seem to have some trace elements of the chemicals, since the allegations are that the chemicals spread into the clouds themselves.

More evidence seems to be in order, and less rudeness to those trying to gather it.

Air/soil/water samples have been analyzed by numerous labs over the past couple decades. The findings are easily available using a google search. Extremely high levels of aluminum and barium are the common denominator. Not so coincidently, geo-engineers are now proposing spraying alum in the air..see video in first post (not admitting that this has been going on since the 90's already) to ward off the fake global warming and Montsanto is busy developing aluminum resistant crop seeds.

[PatriotOne]

That is nice after we end the fed and welfare state I will research this issue. Until then gl on your quest to waste time.

Thanks for your input on a subject you admittedly haven't researched and cannot possibly make an intelligent remark on since you haven't a clue what this involves :confused:

It's better to be silent and thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt.

[PatriotOne]

Exactly. Personally, I don't ever recall in many decades the blatant spraying which is now occurring. Actually, near busier airports in larger metropolitan areas, one rarely sees the sun anymore, i.e. within the past decade or so, due to obvious cloud cover induced by chemical spraying. This situation has become so pervasive that immediate action needs to be taken by local governments to analyze the fuel commonly used in jet aircraft (JP-8?).

It's not in the fuel.

[silverhandorder]

Thanks for your input on a subject you admittedly haven't researched and cannot possibly make an intelligent remark on since you haven't a clue what this involves :confused:

Sorry my time is valuable. I tend to concentrate on things that actually matter. Like converting people to freedom philosophy.

Once I hear Ron Paul talking about it I will do the research about it.

[SovereignMN]

More evidence seems to be in order, and less rudeness to those trying to gather it.

+1

[tpreitzel]

It's not in the fuel.

I'm not convinced that only tankers are involved in aerial spraying. Persistent overcast conditions here indicate additives in jet fuel [1] promoting the formation of mid-level cloud cover, i.e. about 15k feet. I'm NOT saying that spraying doesn't include tankers, because evidence proves otherwise as well. This situation is potentially very serious for numerous reasons, e.g. health and crop production.

[1] Mere soot (particulates) from burning a kerosene based fuel? Personally, I doubt it, but more research is necessary and imperative in my opinion. Even IF the persistent cloud cover is simply due to increased particulates from burning kerosene-based fuels on numerous jet aircraft, the reduction in sunlight is a very serious issue and should lead to immediate solutions to rectify the reduction in sunlight.

[PatriotOne]

Sorry my time is valuable. I tend to concentrate on things that actually matter. Like converting people to freedom philosophy.

Once I hear Ron Paul talking about it I will do the research about it.

While you are waxing poetically about the philosophy of freedom you might want to add a few concrete examples of how the governments of the world are conspiring to control, what should be a basic freedom to grow food, by poisoning the soils with aluminum, etc., while at the same time creating seeds that are aluminum resistant and not freely available. Chemtrails have everything to do with your basic rights. You would know that if you researched them.

Then there is your basic right to health. Barium lowers your immune system and people are breathing the stuff in very high levels many times the EPA's exceptable levels. Perhaps you can add that to your concrete examples? Philosophy is great but can't grab the attention of the common man like being starved to death or being killed off because they've been made terminally ill by breathing barium.

Chemtrail research would not be a waste of your time and have everything to do with freedom.

[PatriotOne]

I'm not convinced that only tankers are involved in aerial spraying. Persistent overcast conditions here indicate additives in jet fuel [1] promoting the formation of mid-level cloud cover, i.e. about 15k feet. I'm NOT saying that spraying doesn't include tankers, because evidence proves otherwise as well. This situation is potentially very serious for numerous reasons, e.g. health and crop production.

[1] Mere soot (particulates) from burning a kerosene based fuel? Personally, I doubt it, but more research is necessary and imperative in my opinion. Even IF the persistent cloud cover is simply due to increased particulates from burning kerosene-based fuels on numerous jet aircraft, the reduction in sunlight is a very serious issue and should lead to immediate solutions to rectify the reduction in sunlight.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume an additive to fuel could be one of many ways they have tested dispersing the chemicals in the past. But this is not a program testing new fuel. If that was the case it wouldn't be happening daily all over the world and for the past several decades.

Watch the video again. They are now admitting they want to disperse the chemicals to combat global warming. But that is just how they justify the program...not the real intent of the program.

[PatriotOne]

Once I hear Ron Paul talking about it I will do the research about it.

Pretty sure RP would be as disturbed by this statement as I am :p.

[tpreitzel]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume an additive to fuel could be one of many ways they have tested dispersing the chemicals in the past. But this is not a program testing new fuel. If that was the case it wouldn't be happening daily all over the world and for the past several decades.


I agree that this program of "spraying" isn't a consequence of testing a "new" fuel, but additives to commonly used jet propellants could still be a source of the problem. [1] Jet propellants are loaded with additives. I'm simply recommending testing of jet propellants. Personally, I'd like to see random sampling of jet fuel from aircraft arriving and departing from Logan International airport for several months compared against a photographic record of the sky. [2] We, the people, need to find the source of this problem, i.e. the increased and persistent cloud cover induced by jet aircraft flying through an area.

[1] JP-8 (variant of Jet-A) widely appeared on the scene for use in military jets in the mid-1990s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP-8 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet-A
[2] Preferably during the summer months and compared to similar sampling done at USAF bases with a flight-line.

[silverhandorder]

While you are waxing poetically about the philosophy of freedom you might want to add a few concrete examples of how the governments of the world are conspiring to control, what should be a basic freedom to grow food, by poisoning the soils with aluminum, etc., while at the same time creating seeds that are aluminum resistant and not freely available. Chemtrails have everything to do with your basic rights. You would know that if you researched them.

Then there is your basic right to health. Barium lowers your immune system and people are breathing the stuff in very high levels many times the EPA's exceptable levels. Perhaps you can add that to your concrete examples? Philosophy is great but can't grab the attention of the common man like being starved to death or being killed off because they've been made terminally ill by breathing barium.

Chemtrail research would not be a waste of your time and have everything to do with freedom.

My garden grows just fine with seeds I got from Ukraine and from friends. None of them genetically modified.

I live in NJ now and I see no chem trail around me.

Lastly no one I follow in politics is mentioning any of this. Either I follow untrust worthy people (Peter Schiff, Ron Paul, Stefan Moleneux, Mises.org, campaign for liberty) or they are not educated. Maybe you should contact all of those people and tell them about your chem trail thing.

I am sorry if I am not willing to go through the whole fluoride is bad for you thing all over again. (Yes I think it should not be added to water supply on moral grounds not on some bs made up science.)

[Zippyjuan]

Thanks for yet another unneeded lesson on Contrails 101. We all know what contrails are. Maybe you can educate yourself on Chemtrails now and stop confusing the subjects? The subject is chemtrails...not contrails Zippy.

SO what are they spraying? Have the contents of the contrails been captured and analyzed (elements found on the ground are not evidence that they came from a plane spraying them- dust from storms in China have been found in the USA so things can travel litterally around the world so you really need to sample the contrail up where it is)? What is the desired effect or impact of what they are spraying and are they using enough to achieve that goal?

Prove that they are chemtrails and not contrails. "Looks like" is nothing.

[tpreitzel]

I saw an inbound jet to Logan International at ~ 1940-1945 hours tonight which clearly appeared to be spraying, i.e. the contrail suddenly stopped about 3 miles from Logan for a couple of seconds with a few more puffs of contrail being formed before the contrail creation totally ceased as the jet entered a holding pattern. Apparently, I need to have a video camera strapped to my head constantly to catch these events. I don't see how engine performance could create such broken contrails itself within seconds. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good, discreet gas mask? ;) I'm convinced of aerial spraying after seeing this latest chemtrail.