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FrankRep
05-25-2010, 08:28 AM
The congressional Democrats rejected the Republican Party-sponsored Term Limits Amendment and stood up for the U.S. Constitution, and threw out a radical proposal designed to transform the United States from a republic to a democracy. by Steve Farrell


Term Limits and the Citizen Legislature Scam (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/opinion/steve-farrell/3618-term-limits-and-the-citizen-legislature-scam)


Steve Farrell | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
Tuesday, 25 May 2010


In April of 1996, the traditionally liberal Democratic Party did something it is, in theory, never supposed to do. It out-conservatived the Republican Party, stood up for the U.S. Constitution, and threw out a radical proposal designed to transform the United States from a republic to a democracy. This the congressional Democrats did when they rejected the Republican Party-sponsored Term Limits Amendment.

In March 2001, the Supreme Court repeated the favor, sending to the dumpster an even more radical version of term limits, again the work of Republicans, which would have permitted the states to accomplish what the U.S. Congress hadn’t – that is, to enforce state laws that would overstep their bounds under the U.S. Constitution and force term limits on U.S. congressional incumbents via an in-the-voting-booth tool of bias, a derogatory asterisk placed next to the name of any candidate running for re-election after his state mandated maximum time in office expired.

The whole idea of congressional term limits materialized as a key element in the 1994 Republican Party “Contract With America” plan to take America back “to the wisdom and brilliance of the Founders” – more specifically, as a subsection of the Contract that focused on the re-establishment of “citizen legislatures.” To some, the term “citizen legislature” rang conservative, but in retrospect the music was more Greek than American, and fraught with more measures to enhance executive power than to check it.

The Citizen Legislature Act included a vote on two different term limit amendments. The first limited the terms of House members to six years and senators to twelve; the second limited both House and Senate to twelve years. Added to this was the vision – expounded by the Contract’s chief proponent, Speaker of the House, Third Way guy, Newt Gingrich – of the emergence of direct or semi-direct democracy and minority power.

Republicans arguing in favor of the act stated: “An entrenched body of politicians erodes Congress’s accountability and responsiveness. An enormous national debt, deficit spending, and political scandals are but a few of the results.”

Strangely enough, there was no mention of the fact that for the first century and a half of this nation’s existence, Congress had been accountable and responsive without an amendment. So why blame the Constitution when obviously something else has gone wrong? And, pray tell, how does scrapping the Constitution qualify as a return to the Founders’ “wisdom and brilliance”?

Maybe, just maybe, the blame lies at the doorstep of those who elected these “out of touch” power-hungry politicians in the first place, and who continued to elect them just so long as Congress didn’t step in and cancel the Super Bowl, March Madness, the NBA Finals, or the World Series. Indeed, that this is really where much of the blame lies as to the so-called corrupting and unconquerable power of incumbency we witness right now, today, as one liberal and moderate incumbent after another is not only losing in the primaries, but losing in some cases to previously obscure candidates by astounding margins! Vigilance works. So does our Constitution, and on occasion the two party system, by dividing power so that sometimes corrupt power is checked — not always for the right reasons — but checked nonetheless by competing power.

Democrats to the Rescue

In a rare, and admittedly suspicious, knight-in-shining-armor defense, the Democratic Party saved the day back in 1996, and did so quoting the reasoning of the Founding Fathers, who had also debated and soundly defeated term limits in the Constitutional Convention of 1787.

Democratic senator Joseph Biden said term limits “are an attack on small states,” because the primary reason for creating the U.S. Senate was to provide a check against majority rule. He accurately noted that this check was accomplished by giving the states equal representation in the Senate, and to the degree that certain small-state senators acquire seniority, that check becomes more powerful. Limiting senators to two terms defeats this critical feature of a republic, he argued.

Democratic senators Paul Simon and Ted Kennedy asserted that term limits “deprive Congress of much-needed insight and knowledge,” which if negated would result in “a fundamental shift in the balance of power from the Congress to the President.” The Federalist Papers agreed. Career politicians, at least in the Senate, were precisely what the Founders had in mind. It was hoped that body would be filled with senior statesmen who had graduated from their state legislatures and that their statesmanship and extensive knowledge would provide a critical check on the president, especially in foreign policy, an area of expertise that takes years to master.

In the case of the House of Representatives the Founders rejected term limits because House members being directly elected by the people and subject to more frequent elections (every two years rather than the Senate’s six) would be the far more volatile of the two branches of Congress and, thus, more subject to passion, mob spirit, and leveling (socialist redistribution) schemes. Term limits would only serve to increase the House’s volatility and escalate the threat to property and law. On the other hand, the maturity and influence of a few senior members, the Founders hoped, would encourage balance, patience and order, while providing historical insight regarding ongoing schemes to perpetually reintroduce an array of dangerous “new” bills that aren’t so new after all.

Consistent with at least some of this rational, the Democrats added:

“Term limits would create a Congress whose members would be (a) inexperienced; (b) heavily reliant on Washington insiders; (c) more concerned about seeking job opportunities for their post-congressional years than about serving the country.”

The Democrats topped it off with something directly out of the Federalist Papers: “The greatest incentive to good behavior and honorable service in the U.S. Congress is one’s regular accountability to the voters, not one’s freedom from that accountability.”

Indeed, what could be worse than having a host of lame-duck congressmen on the loose every month of every year? What incentive would there be for citizens to – citizen legislature-like – maintain a watchful eye on their representatives if their representatives are automatically kicked out of the system? And, again, what is democratic about refusing the people the right to re-elect a candidate they are pleased with?

There is another question: Are Republicans really ready to recklessly dispose of the few true constitutionalists that are still fighting the good fight in Congress, men like Ron Paul of Texas? In 2001 California Republicans fought to undo term limit laws they created for that very reason. And although no new term limit laws have passed since 2000, 15 states, thanks largely to Republican support, have them, and this year, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) introduced legislation amending the U.S. Constitution to limit senators to two six-year terms and congressmen to three two-year terms.

Term limits were debated during the Constitutional Convention and soundly rejected. Isn’t it a bit ironic that the Democratic Party (of all groups) and the left leaning Supreme Court have had to stand up and defend the Constitution against an increasingly liberal and at times radical Republican Party?

I believe it is. As the American citizenry is finally alert and active in attempting to reign in Washington, boot out progressive Democrats and Republicans, and bring our government more in line with the Constitution of our Forefathers, let us beware of false alternatives like term limits. The best way to boot out corrupt incumbents is simply to educate the people and inspire them to do their civic and moral duty. In fact, it is the only way a Republic can survive.

More on both term limits and the larger subject of the Citizen Legislature Act next time.


SOURCE:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/opinion/steve-farrell/3618-term-limits-and-the-citizen-legislature-scam

specsaregood
05-25-2010, 08:32 AM
The JBS is wrong on this issue.


"The Democrats topped it off with something directly out of the Federalist Papers: “The greatest incentive to good behavior and honorable service in the U.S. Congress is one’s regular accountability to the voters, not one’s freedom from that accountability.”

Yeah, well with an incumbency reelection rate of 96%, clearly this "incentive" is not working out in the right direction.

Krugerrand
05-25-2010, 08:43 AM
Return to US Senators appointed by state legislators and this problem basically goes away. It would probably help to increase the size of the House of Representatives at the same time.

FrankRep
05-25-2010, 08:44 AM
Term Limits will remove Ron Paul from Office.


Nothing Can Replace an Informed Electorate (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=225520)

Arthur R. Thompson, CEO | John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/)
January 2010 Newsletter



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Frankly, there is no solution to what ails our country aside from educating the electorate. None!

Look At What’s Being Offered: Let’s take a look at some of the solutions being offered and examine them from the perspective of the need for an informed and constitutionally-minded electorate.

Political candidates or politics in general: Without an informed electorate, there may be a change from an obviously bad politician. But replaced by whom? Even if someone bad is replaced with a good alternative, the voters frequently revert to the bad in the next election simply because they lack understanding. Many voters will once again choose the candidate who offers the most government programs.

The same holds true in the arena of party politics. Without truly informed political activists guiding them, party workers who arise from the ranks of concerned citizens will be manipulated and used by the party hierarchy every time. This is particularly true when coupled with a lack of experience.

Term Limits: The solution known as term limits is again being touted as the alternative to bad politics. It is again trying to gain strength. Even if limiting terms were a solution, those behind the term-limits movement have usually segued this initiative into support for a constitutional convention (Con-Con). The cry for term limits has often been a call for a Con-Con.

The idea of term limitation is not unique to the United States; it exists in many other countries. It no more helps in foreign countries that practice term limits than it will help here. Limiting terms rarely if ever changes anything because the people have not been educated. They end up swapping a veteran bad guy for a newer bad guy. Without an informed electorate, voters will continue to make the same mistakes at the polls while believing that they have solved problems.

Limiting terms was one of the reasons our Founders called a convention to amend the Articles of Confederation. It sounds like a good solution to many. But in practice, those who know they can’t be reelected become a serious problem during their final term. They frequently vote for truly outrageous measures on their way out of office. One of the over-riding influences on a politician is knowledge that he must perform responsibly so he can be reelected. Practically everything hinges on this desire. Politicians who know that the people will elect or reject them based on a particular issue will “go with the flow.” Not out of conviction, but out of a desire to be reelected.

Many who served in the Congress under the Articles of Confederation and were term-limited out became concerned only with filling their pockets by “selling” their vote. They knew they couldn’t be reelected so they did what they could for themselves before their term expired. It was one of the reasons prompting the call for amendments to the Articles that led to a whole new governmental document, the Constitution. The new Constitution then dropped the term limit provision.

Also, term limits works both ways. If the electorate begins to elect constitutionalists, shouldn’t concerned Americans want them reelected? Larry McDonald, Ron Paul, Jesse Helms, and many other good legislators would have been eliminated had term limits been in force. Limiting terms is actually a limitation on voter freedom. The better course is: If you do not like a politician, change the voters who will then change the politician.

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When voters are dissatisfied en masse with Congressmen, calls begin to be heard for term limits, but that may make the situation worse, particularly if a constitutional convention is called for the stated purpose. By Gregory A. Hession, J.D.

Term Limits -- Still a Bad Idea (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/3609-term-limits-still-a-bad-idea)

Gregory A. Hession, J.D. | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
Tuesday, 25 May 2010

specsaregood
05-25-2010, 08:54 AM
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FrankRep
05-25-2010, 09:08 AM
It would be worth it and Ron Agrees. That is why he supports Term limits himself.

Whatever it takes to get Ron Paul out of office I guess.

specsaregood
05-25-2010, 09:13 AM
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FrankRep
05-25-2010, 09:18 AM
So Ron Paul leaves congress, shall I count out the number of bloodsuckers that we also get rid of?

There's an endless supply of Bloodsuckers, don't worry.
Kick the rascals out and replace them with a new set of rascals.

Fun times.

specsaregood
05-25-2010, 09:26 AM
There's an endless supply of Bloodsuckers, don't worry.
Kick the rascals out and replace them with a new set a rascals.

Fun times.

I'd rather see a whole new set of rascals having to fight amongst each other and give some good people a chance to get elected. As it is, incumbents have such a huge advantage that they don't even have to fight for it.

One could argue that with a new crop of candidates coming through more often it would force citizens to pay closer attention as they couldn't just go off the name.

specsaregood
05-25-2010, 09:29 AM
In a philosophical utopia, I agree that term limits would be a bad thing. But it is not the reality of our situation. This is one of the few positions where Dr. Paul disagrees with the JBS and that is because he is taking the pragmatic position instead of the philosophical position.

Danke
05-25-2010, 01:20 PM
Whatever it takes to get Ron Paul out of office I guess.

Ron Paul has done more educating people than anything he has directly done in congress.

He has many candidates running now with similar philosophy since his presidential bid. Which was again, more about education; by spreading the word, etc. than winning the race and winning office.