La Raza Illegal Supremacists Attack Fed Building

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Illegal Aliens aided by Socialist Libertarians attack federal building demanding Amnesty.

King 5 Reports out of SEATTLE – An immigration rally that started outside the Federal Building in Seattle got physical after more than 100 demonstrators moved into a building that houses an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency office and court.

The group, including Seattle City Councilman Larry Gossett and El Centro de la Raza Executive Director Estela Ortega, locked arms during the noon hour Thursday and blocked the elevators. When some people tried to get through the human blockade, they were pushed away.
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LINK (http://governmentmess.blogspot.com/2010/05/la-raza-mob-storms-immigration-office.html)

[RM918]

So you're saying they tried to keep people out by...using a fence?

[CoreyBowen999]

what the hell is a socialist libertarian

[MelissaWV]

So you're saying they tried to keep people out by...using a fence?

Well, this fence seems more effective than the other kind :p Let's just have a giant game of Red Rover at the borders?

[Justinjj1]

Good for them.

[Ricky201]

what the hell is a socialist libertarian

An oxymoron?

[BuddyRey]

what the hell is a socialist libertarian

I was wondering the same thing. :confused:

[dannno]

what the hell is a socialist libertarian

Maybe it's a definition conservatives use to describe open border libertarians :confused:

[yokna7]

what the hell is a socialist libertarian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

Noam Chomsky is one. Apparently.

[BlackTerrel]

What's an illegal supremacist?

[RM918]

what the hell is a socialist libertarian

I! Have actually met one. From the Netherlands, no less.

I never quite got it, but one example of social libertarianism she gave me is that they believe workers should run companies. Make it so everybody votes on decisions and the bottom-level workers have the power. Something like that.

[Epic]

I never quite got it, but one example of social libertarianism she gave me is that they believe workers should run companies. Make it so everybody votes on decisions and the bottom-level workers have the power. Something like that.

Of course, having a democratically-controlled workplace is

1. Allowed currently. People can already do it.

2. Allowed under libertarianism because it's non-coercive.

[RM918]

Of course, having a democratically-controlled workplace is

1. Allowed currently. People can already do it.

2. Allowed under libertarianism because it's non-coercive.

Well, as with most philosophies, I believe the point of this one is to force it upon everybody.

[Morgan Brykein]

Socialist libertarians?

Illegal supremacist?

Durr

[Inflation]

ZOMG LIBERTARIAN SOCIALIST IS TEH OXYMORAN!!!11!1

*HEAD EXPLODES*

Calm down people. The idea of "libertarian capitalism" is the new kid on the philosophical block, so have some awareness and respect for history of ideas behind it.

The original French libertarians were socialist, or at least anti-capitalist. So, please, stop wallowing in self-created retardation.

When exposed to a new and unfamiliar concept, why not use the google to look it up and learn more, instead of reacting with fury and outrage?

Don't be scared of learning something new, just because it modifies or destroys an incomplete or incorrect opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Proudhon-children.jpg/300px-Proudhon-children.jpg

[Knee jerk snap judgment] < [Facts]

[Stary Hickory]

Um inflation...there is nothing Libertarian about FORCING people to live in a manner they do not see fit. So I'll pass on your propaganda.

[devil21]

I! Have actually met one. From the Netherlands, no less.

I never quite got it, but one example of social libertarianism she gave me is that they believe workers should run companies. Make it so everybody votes on decisions and the bottom-level workers have the power. Something like that.

I guess that explains why there was only 100 of them. Obama flew in every last one of them from across the entire country. The only other people that think that same philosophy are usually called union workers, not socialist libertarians.

[Inflation]

Um inflation...there is nothing Libertarian about FORCING people to live in a manner they do not see fit. So I'll pass on your propaganda.

I wasn't agreeing with the semi-Marxist ideas of libertarian socialism, you silly cow. :)

I was explaining that the first people to use the word "Libertarian" to describe themselves were on the left, and didn't like capitalism. They lived in Spain and France 100 years ago.

I was explaining that the idea of libertarian capitalism evolved years later, in America.

Sorry old Hickory, you are not entitled to your own facts. You do not get to define the history of the term Libertarian. It has already been done, before you were born!

That history exists in this little thing we call OBJECTIVE REALITY, whether you choose to keep your dogmatic, bigoted mind closed or open it up to FACTS.

BTW, Rothbard worked with the libertarian lefties to stop the Vietnam War:


Rapprochement with the Left

The first attempt at rapprochement between the postwar American libertarian movement and the Left came in the 1960s, when Austrian School economist Murray Rothbard came to question libertarianism's traditional alliance with the Right in light of the Vietnam War. During this period, Rothbard came to advocate strategic alliances with the New Left over issues such as the military draft and black power.

Working with radicals like Ronald Radosh, Rothbard argued that the consensus view of American economic history, wherein government has stepped in as a countervailing interest to corporate predation, is fundamentally flawed. Rather, he argued, government intervention in the economy has largely benefited established players at the expense of marginalized groups, to the detriment of both liberty and equality. Moreover, the "Robber Baron Period", adulated by the right and despised by the left as a laissez-faire haven, was not laissez-faire at all but in fact a time of massive state privilege accorded to capital. Rothbard criticized the "frenzied nihilism" of left-libertarians but also criticized right-wing libertarians who were content to rely only on education to bring down the state; he believed that libertarians should adopt any non-immoral tactic available to them in order bring about liberty.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0vVKT_iqTC8/RbVdrm9GHYI/AAAAAAAAAPU/AOhizmGKPOM/s320/silvamendes.jpg

Mendes, Silva. Socialismo Libertário ou Anarchismo Vol. 1 (1896): "Society should be free through mankind's spontaneous federative affiliation to life, based on the community of land and tools of the trade; meaning: Anarchy will be equality by abolition of private property and liberty by abolition of authority"

There are still many anarchists and Marxists falling under the banner of Libertarian Socialist, for example:

http://uslperu.blogspot.com/

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7gk_YE5OthY/S-iI_Q3R8pI/AAAAAAAAAh8/2JFXgKAZ870/logo1.jpeg

Libertarian Capitalist is not a redundant term, it specifies which kind of Libertarian (left or right) you are:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7gk_YE5OthY/S_hnGxWobxI/AAAAAAAAAik/RDbcrorLRac/S230/libro.jpeg

[ninepointfive]

what the hell is a socialist libertarian

I had a friend label himself this title. Of course I called him out on it, and he's since changed to left leaning libertarian. :rolleyes:

[michaelwise]

The Race is racist.

[Petar]

Calm down people. The idea of "libertarian capitalism" is the new kid on the philosophical block, so have some awareness and respect for history of ideas behind it.

The original French libertarians were socialist, or at least anti-capitalist. So, please, stop wallowing in self-created retardation.

When exposed to a new and unfamiliar concept, why not use the google to look it up and learn more, instead of reacting with fury and outrage?

Don't be scared of learning something new, just because it modifies or destroys an incomplete or incorrect opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Proudhon-children.jpg/300px-Proudhon-children.jpg

[Knee jerk snap judgment] < [Facts]

Yeah right, Jacobin's were proto-marxist, nothing libertarian about a bunch of early french commies shouting "vive la liberte!".

American revolutionaries on the other hand, were early libertarians, in a sensible use of the term.

[ninepointfive]

Sorry old Hickory, you are not entitled to your own facts. You do not get to define the history of the term Libertarian. It has already been done, before you were born!



Stop it with the preaching and moral high grounds. It's going to be up to you to define a term of Libertarian Socialist, not him. Nor is it his obligation to inquire into such absurdities as when you say youre of a politically contradicting mindset.

Thanks for the history lesson.