The War is Making You Poor Act [HR 5353]

[RileyE104]

YouTube - Rep Alan Grayson Introduces the War Is Making You Poor Act (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0_TtYQEDTo&playnext_from=TL&videos=brLaB0Z4Kxk&feature=sub)


Rep. Grayson introduces a bill to cut separate funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and uses the money to eliminate federal income taxes on every American's first $35,000 of income. Cosponsors of this bill include Ron Paul, Walter Jones, John Conyers, Lynn Woolsey, and Dennis Kucinich.

[Mini-Me]

For the win. :)

[torchbearer]

wow, i'm shocked.

[torchbearer]

what is the bill number?
let's get on this like hr1207.
I'm for realz.

edit: nevermind- see it now.

[Pennsylvania]

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h5353/show

[RileyE104]

Someone should make a Facebook page.. I don't think the Grayson supporters are as active as us on the web.. :D

[RM918]

Absolutely terrific.

[Philhelm]

We need to support this bill.

[dr. hfn]

bump!

[CUnknown]

:eek:

OMG

WOW

DUDE

How can anyone in their right mind vote against that?

[TC95]

I almost just fell in love with that guy...almost.

[eOs]

bump, epic bill is epic

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

LOL! The war is making you poor act I couldn't stop laughing hahahaha, but yeah it's a great bill, too bad it will most likely be shot down, because the shadow man will tell everyone to vote nay.

[brandon]

HOLY SHIT.

Lets make this pass.

[QueenB4Liberty]

Hell yeah!!!

[brandon]

Current cosponsor list


o Rep. John Conyers [D, MI-14]
o Rep. Walter Jones [R, NC-3]
o Rep. Dennis Kucinich [D, OH-10]
o Rep. Barbara Lee [D, CA-9]
o Rep. Ronald Paul [R, TX-14]
o Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D, CA-6]

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Looks like Obama gave it a thumbs down
http://i49.tinypic.com/2en21r4.png

[brandon]

Created a facebook group

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=123522417671379

[RileyE104]

Created a facebook group

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=123522417671379

thanks.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Who wants to take bets that Grayson gets called into the backroom somewhere and given a 'lecture'?

[RM918]

Current cosponsor list


o Rep. John Conyers [D, MI-14]
o Rep. Walter Jones [R, NC-3]
o Rep. Dennis Kucinich [D, OH-10]
o Rep. Barbara Lee [D, CA-9]
o Rep. Ronald Paul [R, TX-14]
o Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D, CA-6]

Shock!

[HOLLYWOOD]

Originally Posted by brandon http://www.ronpaulforums.com/gfx_RedWhiteBlue/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2710249#post2710249)
Current cosponsor list


o Rep. John Conyers [D, MI-14]
o Rep. Walter Jones [R, NC-3]
o Rep. Dennis Kucinich [D, OH-10]
o Rep. Barbara Lee [D, CA-9]
o Rep. Ronald Paul [R, TX-14]
o Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D, CA-6] <=== Guinness Book of World Records for most Co-Sponsor of House Bills

I swear rep. Lynn Woolsey co-sponsors EVERYTHING in the House

On a brighter note... the first $35,000 TAX FREE, will stimulate the economy more than any Bullshit Spending Gimmicks these Keynesian Kooks Obama has running the show.

[TC95]

looks like obama gave it a thumbs down
http://i49.tinypic.com/2en21r4.png

lol

[RileyE104]

If anyone hasn't joined yet, the facebook group can be found at http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=123522417671379

Please join and invite your friends!

Or just do the old-fashioned thing and contact your Representative! :D

[Akus]

:eek:

OMG

WOW

DUDE

How can anyone in their right mind vote against that?I guess I am not in the right mind.

If the ppl who make =<$35G/yr do not pay any income tax then someone else will simply pay it. As in, the people on the wrong side of the $35G.

If Obama's healthcare reform is unfair because it forces us, people who have our fecal matter together, to pay for bums and degenerates, how is this bill any different?

I am not being rhetorical, either. I would like to be explained how is this a good bill, because so far, I do not see anything good in it.

[Justinjj1]

It's sad that a far-left liberal "gets it" much more than a so-called liberty candidate like Rand Paul. I just wonder if Rand will come out and suport this?....Im not holding my breath.

[lx43]

I had a feeling RP would be a co-sponsor.

[dannno]

bumpers!

[austin944]

If the ppl who make =<$35G/yr do not pay any income tax then someone else will simply pay it. As in, the people on the wrong side of the $35G.

That's not the way it works. The first 35K of your income (70K for married couples) would not be subject to income taxes. So if someone earned 135K/yr, this bill would only tax 100K of that.

I support this bill, but I think it's a gimmick. It's really trying to deny funding for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, which we all know won't happen with the current Congress and administration. The honest thing would be to explicitly deny funding for those wars, and not try to sell it as "$500 billion is enough to fight those wars".

[Pennsylvania]

Feel free to copy, edit, and improve at your discretion...


Dear Mr./Mrs. _________,

I am writing to encourage you to co-sponsor Congressman Alan Grayson's H.R. 5353 (The War Is Making You Poor Act). This bill provides a fantastic opportunity for broad bipartisan cooperation in an effort to reduce non-defensive military spending, and brilliantly seeks to simultaneously give our suffering economy a shot in the arm by reducing the tax-burden on American citizens. Equally as brilliant is that the bill would assist us in the long overdue task of reducing our national debt, consequently reducing the interest on that debt as well. Clearly, H.R. 5353 will not eliminate our out-of-control expenditure entirely. Nevertheless, it is an excellent starting point. Mr./Mrs. _________, enough is enough. The American people cannot afford to spend any more money on this war. Again. I urge you to co-sponsor H.R. 5353.

Sincerely,

___________



Get the letters in now folks!

[dannno]

Feel free to copy, edit, and improve at your discretion...




Dear Mr./Mrs. _________,

I am writing to encourage you to co-sponsor Congressman Alan Grayson's H.R. 5353 (The War Is Making You Poor Act). This bill provides a fantastic opportunity for broad bipartisan cooperation in an effort to reduce non-defensive military spending, and brilliantly seeks to simultaneously give our suffering economy a shot in the arm by reducing the tax-burden on American citizens. Equally as brilliant is that the bill would assist us in the long overdue task of reducing our national debt, consequently reducing the interest on that debt as well. Clearly, H.R. 5353 will not eliminate our out-of-control expenditure entirely. Nevertheless, it is an excellent starting point. Mr./Mrs. _________, enough is enough. The American people cannot afford to spend any more money on this war. Again. I urge you to co-sponsor H.R. 5353.

Sincerely,

___________

Get the letters in now folks!

bump

[CUnknown]

I guess I am not in the right mind.

If the ppl who make =<$35G/yr do not pay any income tax then someone else will simply pay it. As in, the people on the wrong side of the $35G.

If Obama's healthcare reform is unfair because it forces us, people who have our fecal matter together, to pay for bums and degenerates, how is this bill any different?

I am not being rhetorical, either. I would like to be explained how is this a good bill, because so far, I do not see anything good in it.

How can you be a Ron Paul supporter and not like this bill? This bill can be considered the main part of the Ron Paul liberty platform... How else do you want to balance the budget and lower taxes except by cutting military spending? This bill helps with all three of those things.

Yes, people making over 35k will still pay taxes, but news flash, they pay taxes now, too!

[tremendoustie]

I guess I am not in the right mind.

If the ppl who make =<$35G/yr do not pay any income tax then someone else will simply pay it. As in, the people on the wrong side of the $35G.

If Obama's healthcare reform is unfair because it forces us, people who have our fecal matter together, to pay for bums and degenerates, how is this bill any different?

I am not being rhetorical, either. I would like to be explained how is this a good bill, because so far, I do not see anything good in it.

Because it decreases war and taxes.

Glad to help.

[JamesButabi]

Because it decreases war and taxes.

Glad to help.

and debt, and the size of the state.

[Vegetarianist]

Great, great bill.

[GunnyFreedom]

Current cosponsor list


o Rep. John Conyers [D, MI-14]
o Rep. Walter Jones [R, NC-3]
o Rep. Dennis Kucinich [D, OH-10]
o Rep. Barbara Lee [D, CA-9]
o Rep. Ronald Paul [R, TX-14]
o Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D, CA-6]


Shock!

bigger shock!

[Old Ducker]

Sign the petition

http://salsa.mydccc.org/o/30019/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=34

[RileyE104]

Sign the petition

http://salsa.mydccc.org/o/30019/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=34

Thanks, I added that to the facebook group!

[Morgan Brykein]

Mailing your representative is pretty useless when they probably get thousands of letters, but I sent an email to Adam Schiff anyways.

[Carole]

Signed petition. :D

[Ricky201]

This bill is a stroke of genius. And from a far-left progressive nonetheless. Nothing surprises me anymore.

[Justinjj1]

This bill is a stroke of genius. And from a far-left progressive nonetheless. Nothing surprises me anymore.

sadly, far-left progressives are far better on foreign policy than so-called "constitutional conservatives."

[itshappening]

This is genius, lets get behind it !!!

[Zippyjuan]

How can you be a Ron Paul supporter and not like this bill? This bill can be considered the main part of the Ron Paul liberty platform... How else do you want to balance the budget and lower taxes except by cutting military spending? This bill helps with all three of those things.

Yes, people making over 35k will still pay taxes, but news flash, they pay taxes now, too!

It doesn't really do anything about reducing the budget deficit since the proposed cuts in spending would go to tax cuts. You would have to either give a smaller tax break than the spending cut or get rid of the spending cut and just reduce the spending. That would do more to help reduce the deficit. Ron Paul, while not opposed to any tax cuts, would prefer to get the spending under control first to reduce the debt and deficit before any tax cuts. This is a more fiscally responsible position.

Sadly, reducing military spending by $200 billion will not have a significant impact on a trillion dollar plus deficit. You could get rid of every penny spent by the Department of Defense plus the war supplementals and still not get rid of the deficit for this year.

The state doesn't get any smaller either.

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

He is such a far left douche domestically but you really have to appreciate the flair and respect his ability to sell legislation.

[.Tom]

It's sad that a far-left liberal "gets it" much more than a so-called liberty candidate like Rand Paul. I just wonder if Rand will come out and suport this?....Im not holding my breath.

Agreed.


sadly, far-left progressives are far better on foreign policy than so-called "constitutional conservatives."

Agreed.

This bill could be a lot better, but less w$r funding and less taxes are always a great thing. Let's get it passed!

[dean.engelhardt]

YouTube - Rep Alan Grayson Introduces the War Is Making You Poor Act (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0_TtYQEDTo&playnext_from=TL&videos=brLaB0Z4Kxk&feature=sub)

Bump. Bump, Bump

[Pennsylvania]

Let's get more co-sponsors ppl!

[Fluiddude]

Beautiful! I thought the antiwar left had died long ago.

[michaelwise]

Love it, especially since the Chinese are paying for it all. Grayson does have a good side.

[dean.engelhardt]

Anyone have a list of co-sponsors yet? Has Ron Paul co-sponsored or came out in support yet? I contacted my Reo, Joe Pitts, but don't expect any support from him.

[Wolverine302]

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh309/Binoj_Mathew/smiley/Applause.gif

[noxagol]

To those saying this bill is dumb on the tax side. No, it is not. It is exactly what is needed. A tax cut with a concurring spending cut. Only 90% of the money won't be spent and collected, the other 10% will be going towards the deficit.

[dean.engelhardt]

Sure, Alan Grayson is a Democrat that supported the Healthcare bill. Please don't let that from keeping you from supporting this important bill. Grayson also supports Audit the Fed.

Don't let partison politics cloud judgement.

[idirtify]

YouTube - Rep Alan Grayson Introduces the War Is Making You Poor Act (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0_TtYQEDTo&playnext_from=TL&videos=brLaB0Z4Kxk&feature=sub)

Wow. That was an excellent presentation with excellent points about our ridiculous wars and our giant war machine. What a great way to get the issues on the table and try to educate the stupid majority. Oh, and if it passes, that would be icing on the cake.

[amy31416]

bump

[james1906]

When Grayson's good, he's damn good.

[erowe1]

I just emailed my Congressman urging him to cosponsor this.

Have you?

[torchbearer]

It doesn't really do anything about reducing the budget deficit since the proposed cuts in spending would go to tax cuts. You would have to either give a smaller tax break than the spending cut or get rid of the spending cut and just reduce the spending. That would do more to help reduce the deficit. Ron Paul, while not opposed to any tax cuts, would prefer to get the spending under control first to reduce the debt and deficit before any tax cuts. This is a more fiscally responsible position.

Sadly, reducing military spending by $200 billion will not have a significant impact on a trillion dollar plus deficit. You could get rid of every penny spent by the Department of Defense plus the war supplementals and still not get rid of the deficit for this year.

The state doesn't get any smaller either.

10% of the money saved will go to reduce deficit. it won't cover the whole 2 trillion dollar deficit, but its better than spending the money on bombs that kill children.

[torchbearer]

I just emailed my Congressman urging him to cosponsor this.

Have you?

I will be making a personal appearance at the local office for this bill and for hr4995

[dean.engelhardt]

I will be making a personal appearance at the local office for this bill and for hr4995

Nice:)

[christagious]

I guess I am not in the right mind.

If the ppl who make =<$35G/yr do not pay any income tax then someone else will simply pay it. As in, the people on the wrong side of the $35G.

If Obama's healthcare reform is unfair because it forces us, people who have our fecal matter together, to pay for bums and degenerates, how is this bill any different?

I am not being rhetorical, either. I would like to be explained how is this a good bill, because so far, I do not see anything good in it.

So people making less than 35,000 a year are bums and degenerates. which means beginning teachers, as well as many other occupations are all bums and degenerates. Awesome. I bet that makes at least 1/3 to 1/2 of the members on this forum bums and degenerates.

[christagious]

Feel free to copy, edit, and improve at your discretion...




Get the letters in now folks!

I'm on it right now

[Pennsylvania]

I'm on it right now

Woot!

[torchbearer]

So people making less than 35,000 a year are bums and degenerates. which means beginning teachers, as well as many other occupations are all bums and degenerates. Awesome. I bet that makes at least 1/3 to 1/2 of the members on this forum bums and degenerates.

i'm self-employeed and the federal government ass-rapes people like me. we make about that much.

[Pennsylvania]

bump for more co-sponsor letters!

[Fozz]

It's sad that a far-left liberal "gets it" much more than a so-called liberty candidate like Rand Paul. I just wonder if Rand will come out and suport this?....Im not holding my breath.

lol

[Fozz]

sadly, far-left progressives are far better on foreign policy than so-called "constitutional conservatives."

lol

[erowe1]

I just got a call back from my congressman's staff, which I've never had happen before. And he reassured me that he'd pass my message along. He also mentioned that he received another message in the same day about this bill, that it's in committee now, and that it stands a reasonable chance of moving forward since it's introduced by someone of the party in power (I'm skeptical, but we'll see).

Bottom line, seriously write or call your reps. If they notice a wave of support for this, it will help.

[christagious]

I just got a call back from my congressman's staff, which I've never had happen before. And he reassured me that he'd pass my message along. He also mentioned that he received another message in the same day about this bill, that it's in committee now, and that it stands a reasonable chance of moving forward since it's introduced by someone of the party in power (I'm skeptical, but we'll see).

Bottom line, seriously write or call your reps. If they notice a wave of support for this, it will help.

I called my congressman and got a call back today from a staff member as well. My congressman is a democrat and he voted for the healthcare bill and he has a pretty strong republican running against him this year, I told the staff member that I lean libertarian,that I voted for the republican running against him a couple years ago and that I'm very disappointed in him for voting for the healthcare bill but that I would seriously consider voting for him if he supported HR 5353. She said that she doesn't know what he will do but will pass the word on to him that I would like for him to cosponsor it

[Pennsylvania]

John Conyers [D, MI-14]
Bob Filner [D, CA-51]
Walter Jones [R, NC-3]
Dennis Kucinich [D, OH-10]
Barbara Lee [D, CA-9]
James McGovern [D, MA-3]
Ron Paul [R, TX-14]
Lynn Woolsey [D, CA-6]

cosponsors cosponsors cosponsors lets do it RPF!

[Theocrat]

Is there a clause in the bill stating that the first-born son of every Congress member who votes for more funding to the war has to enlist and fight in the war?

[erowe1]

I'm bumping this thread so that people who want to talk about this bill will see that we have a thread on it for them to post in other than the one with the silly title.

[Pennsylvania]

Alcee Hastings (D, FL) and Louise Slaughter (D, NY) just signed on

[dean.engelhardt]

There is an online petition that has less than 30K signatures. Please follow this link if you support the act: Link (http://salsa.mydccc.org/o/30019/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=34)

[Pennsylvania]

18 cosponsors. bump for more letters

[RileyE104]

18 cosponsors. bump for more letters

All 12 of the new Co-Sponsors are Democrats... :(

[skyorbit]

I wish more Republicans understood this.

Tracy

[Pennsylvania]

bumpty dumpty

[Pennsylvania]

bumps like a truck, truck, truck

(thighs like what, what, what)

[Working Poor]

All 12 of the new Co-Sponsors are Democrats... :(

So call them repubs and tell them they are going to be voted out...:cool:

[AuH20]

Great. Now all we have to do is wait for the "Public Sector Unions are Making You Poor Act." That would tickle my interest as well.

[Pennsylvania]

more letters, more cosponsors