MSNBC releases a FAKE transcrition of Rand Paul's appearance with Maddow

[low preference guy]

From the Daily Paul (http://www.dailypaul.com/node/135280#comment-1444223)

I've noticed in a few news stories today they are reporting Rand had the following exchange with Rachel Maddow.


Maddow: “Do you think that a private business has the right to say, ‘We don't serve black people’?”

Paul: "Yes. I'm not in favor of any discrimination of any form...”

If you go to the video however, Rand obviously never said the word "yes". Here it is, cued up to the exact moment.

8:05
YouTube - RAND PAUL vs RACHEL MADDOW pt.1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VGdP2mNPeo#t=8m5s)


It was merely some sort of grunt to maintain the flow of conversation that was already made difficult by the satellite delay. Now he WAS laying out what the arguments would be for "yes", but he never actually said "yes". And it totally changes the tone of the conversation to insert that word there. Just thought I'd point out this mass media manipulation, even though it will suprise no one.

Here are a few media of the bigger media outlets misstating the quote, but there are a bunch more.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/20/rand-paul-is-kentucky-fri_n_584179.html
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/05/white-house-says-rand-pauls-civil-rights-talk-shouldnt-have-a-place-in-our-political-dialogue-in-201.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/9088468
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37252841/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jKxxiqk1Wy4Qa3kOTdKGIzKedY8QD9FQRR080

[Lord Xar]

Perhaps a case for slander can be made....

[Fozz]

The left is lying to destroy liberty.

[0zzy]

that is indeed slanderous.

[DeadheadForPaul]

Before Rand makes a point, he frequently says "right" or "yeah".

This is CLEARLY the case. He says "yeah" much like a "uhhhh"

This is a blatant distortion/lie because they could not get a soundbite out of him

[Lord Xar]

Suing is a viable option, imho. Generates press and shows that he is willing to set things right by bringing to the fore the corruptness the media is willing to partake in.

[amisspelledword]

that is indeed slanderous.


Perhaps a case for slander can be made....

this should not be considered legal advice in any way, but as far as mere academia goes... public officials, or public figures, like Rand, pretty much cannot be slandered. the 1st amendment protects the media a lot when it comes to them. i mean, if they were totally lying, maybe, but Rand _DOES_ say "yeah" before he starts talking. i agree with you guys, though, that it is dishonest, but its there. it could be interpreted different ways

[DeadheadForPaul]

FYI: Maddow's transcript has "Yes", so Maddow's staff is to blame for the distortion/lie. I'm sure the other newspapers just took that false quote from her transcript

You can see it on the MSNBC link in the OP

[0zzy]

this should not be considered legal advice in any way, but as far as mere academia goes... public officials, or public figures, like Rand, pretty much cannot be slandered. the 1st amendment protects the media a lot when it comes to them. i mean, if they were totally lying, maybe, but Rand _DOES_ say "yeah" before he starts talking. i agree with you guys, though, that it is dishonest, but its there. it could be interpreted different ways

true.

i just want to wake up and this nightmare be over. i'm literally losing sleep and not focusing on my studies during finals week because I'm an obsessive son of a gun who takes these attacks personally for some reason.

[Thargok]

Technically public officials can sue over slander, they are held to a higher standard. In the case of MSNBC you can certainly make the case for their benefit from the slander due to their partisan inclinations, however by the time the case got to trial it would be too late.


On a side note, hearing his response immediately after, I feel a lot better about the interview.

[low preference guy]

true.

i just want to wake up and this nightmare be over. i'm literally losing sleep and not focusing on my studies during finals week because I'm an obsessive son of a gun who takes these attacks personally for some reason.

don't feel bad, it's an attack on all of us. i feel attacked too, and i can't imagine how Rand and his family feel. they just made up, literally made up that Rand wanted to repeal the law. why would you do that except for irrational and baseless hatred? don't feel alone, we are threatening the establishment like never before. if you need to work, try to do it. Rand "Muhammad Ali" Paul is a genius, he will pull this off.

[amisspelledword]

true.

i just want to wake up and this nightmare be over. i'm literally losing sleep and not focusing on my studies during finals week because I'm an obsessive son of a gun who takes these attacks personally for some reason.

if you use Google Chrome, you should try the extension StayFocusd. it limits your time on certain sites per day and blocks you otherwise. i found it helpful during a few stressful times.

https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/laankejkbhbdhmipfmgcngdelahlfoji

[DeadheadForPaul]

ozzy,
I stayed off the forums for a few days during my finals

I suggest not getting on the internet and not watching the news

I just checked my mail on my blackberry

[0zzy]

don't feel bad, it's an attack on all of us. i feel attacked too, and i can't imagine how Rand and his family feel. they just made up, literally made up that Rand wanted to repeal the law. why would you do that except for irrational and baseless hatred? don't feel alone, we are threatening the establishment like never before. if you need to work, try to do it. Rand "Mohammad Ali" Paul is a genius, he will pull this off.

This won't blow over by Saturday though, so the unity rally will be very tense. it's just the biggest distraction in this campaign and is very annoying.

[0zzy]

ozzy,
I stayed off the forums for a few days during my finals

I suggest not getting on the internet and not watching the news

I just checked my mail on my blackberry

I have a smart phone which has an internet browser! IM AN ADDICT D:

[low preference guy]

This won't blow over by Saturday though, so the unity rally will be very tense. it's just the biggest distraction in this campaign and is very annoying.

Rand Paul will have total control of the message on Saturday; he won't have any interviewer cutting him off, and he is in a position to show that the left doesn't have any ideas or propositions besides falsely screaming "raaaaaacist".

when Rand's speech is over Saturday, the left will be hit really hard.

Did you see Matthews semi-apologizing already today? Expect the left to shit their pants saturday.

[0zzy]

Rand Paul will have total control of the message on Saturday; he won't have any interviewer cutting him off, and he is in a position to show that the left doesn't have any ideas or propositions besides falsely screaming "raaaaaacist".

when Rand's speech is over Saturday, the left will be hit really hard.

Did you see Matthews semi-apologizing already today? Expect the left to shit their pants saturday.

I hope you're right. My dad doesn't think Rand said anything too bad and that it'll blow over in a few weeks, though I showed him the Stossel interview and he didn't agree with it.

but maybe he just says this cause he's my dad. :) but if he's the average voter, he wouldn't be turned off./

[Fozz]

The liberals of today are the neocons of 2007.

[misconstrued]

There are hundreds of misquotes out there...

"Rand Paul believes private business has the right to deny black people service"
http://perspectives.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=227407&forum_id=91

"Anyone who thinks that Rand Paul is not a racist..."
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8374784

"Indeed, just last night, Rachel Maddow asked the Republican candidate, "Do you think that a private business has the right to say we don't serve black people?" Paul replied, "Yes.""
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/

"Yes," Paul answered, repeatedly decrying racism but saying he was reluctant to "limit their speech.""
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/05/rand_paul_spox_fed_govt_should.html
http://www.thefoldblog.com/2010/05/rand-paul-now-supports-federal-power.html

"Last night on MSNBC, Paul was asked by Rachel Maddow, “Do you think that a private business has the right to say, ‘We don't serve black people’?” “Yes,” Paul said."
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/rand-paul-piled-on/blog-326309/

"Maddow: "Do you think that a private business has the right to say we don't serve black people?" Paul: "Yes. [My bold italics.]"
http://museumofthebourgeois.blogspot.com/2010/05/bigots-and-barmies-in-big-tent.html

[angelatc]

bump

[silverhandorder]

Honestly I support his first position and him back off does not bother me. Do we really need to be bogged down in something that happened 60 years ago? We have a collapsing economy and all liberals can do is throw a race card?

[MsDoodahs]

We have a collapsing economy and all liberals can do is throw a race card?

apparently it is more important to defeat the tea party than to save the nation.

"Party before country" is the rabid partisan's motto, after all.

[rprprs]

true.

i just want to wake up and this nightmare be over. i'm literally losing sleep and not focusing on my studies during finals week because I'm an obsessive son of a gun who takes these attacks personally for some reason.

Oh, Ozzy, can I ever empathize!
I have invested so much emotional capital into Paul's campaign that, when all this started, it felt like my world was crashing down. I actually started to feel physically ill and I could not go near the computer or even turn on the TV yesterday for fear of being plunged into even further despair. I was imagining every possible worse-case scenario and even doubted that I would ever again return to these forums which have been my home for the last two years.

Yet here I am. Hopefully, we can find solace in each other to hang together and hang tough.

[jct74]

"Yes," Paul answered, repeatedly decrying racism but saying he was reluctant to "limit their speech.""
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/05/rand_paul_spox_fed_govt_should.html


That one's the worst. They just took the nonexistent "yes" quote and threw out everything else. Those bastards.

I took a screenshot of the MSNBC transcript in case they try to hide the evidence later on.


http://i46.tinypic.com/2dhb5lv.jpg

[0zzy]

That one's the worst. They just took the nonexistent "yes" quote and threw out everything else. Those bastards.

I took a screenshot of the MSNBC transcript in case they try to hide the evidence later on.


http://i47.tinypic.com/wrl6qd.jpg

they already talked about this on the show, blaming New York Times for not watching the show and just reading the transcript.

[Aratus]

actually he began to speak and then said yeah or umm i'm not... they had been almost
interrupting each other as 7:55 goes to 8:05 and she was pressing the question hard
despite the earlier remarks about boston, william lloyd garrison and public trains being
desegregated in 1840 and how it took until the 1960s for the south to cease with the
practice. he had explained several things and then the exchange became a sound-byte...

[jct74]

they already talked about this on the show, blaming New York Times for not watching the show and just reading the transcript.

Thanks Ozzy. Here is the segment:

YouTube - Rachel Maddow- NY Times get Rand Paul quote wrong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg5zOQ05b9E)



They did acknowledge that he never really said "yes", but then the host totally absolves MSNBC of any guilt by saying the transcipt is "technically right". Bullshit! It was a meaningless little grunt of some sort that added nothing to the dialogue. It should have gone totally unreported in the transcript. But even then, there's no way he said Y E S. I didn't hear any S pronounced. What a bunch of dishonest jackasses. Then they try to act like it was just the New York Times that picked it up. A sh*tload of news outlets picked it up, and there is not one ounce of apology from MSNBC for for being the source of it all.


/end of rant

[0zzy]

Thanks Ozzy. Here is the segment:

YouTube - Rachel Maddow- NY Times get Rand Paul quote wrong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg5zOQ05b9E)



They did acknowledge that he never really said "yes", but then the host totally absolves MSNBC of any guilt by saying the transcipt is "technically right". Bullshit! It was a meaningless little grunt of some sort that added nothing to the dialogue. It should have gone totally unreported in the transcript. But even then, there's no way he said Y E S. I didn't hear any S pronounced. What a bunch of dishonest jackasses. Then they try to act like it was just the New York Times that picked it up. A sh*tload of news outlets picked it up, and there is not one ounce of apology from MSNBC for for being the source of it all.


/end of rant

indeed. he said "yeah" as in, "yeah I understand the question and I'm about to start my answer "

[sailingaway]

The campaign NEEDS to ask them to correct it, and pass the correction on. They also need to send this to the NY Times and demand a correction.

[Dreamofunity]

Rand needs to stop acknowledging that he heard what people said vocally.

[jct74]

NewsBusters has picked up this story and is linking to the DailyPaul (http://dailypaul.com/node/135280) thread.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/05/22/rachel-maddow-show-busts-new-york-times-misquoting-rand-paul

They don't make mention of all the other news outlets that ran with the misquote though, just the New York Times. Oh well.

[Galileo Galilei]

Lew Rockwell is now linking to this!

[sailingaway]

The problem is the NYTimes article was picked up by the AP, the London Times, etc. It is now everywhere and spawning offspring. Chicago Tribune caught their misquote after reader comments and issued the most grudging retraction I've ever seen, essentially 'So I apologize to Rand Paul supporters for giving him credit for actually being honest and saying what we all know he really means'. It was astounding.

[KAYA]

Thanks Ozzy. Here is the segment:

YouTube - Rachel Maddow- NY Times get Rand Paul quote wrong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg5zOQ05b9E)



They did acknowledge that he never really said "yes", but then the host totally absolves MSNBC of any guilt by saying the transcipt is "technically right". Bullshit! It was a meaningless little grunt of some sort that added nothing to the dialogue. It should have gone totally unreported in the transcript. But even then, there's no way he said Y E S. I didn't hear any S pronounced. What a bunch of dishonest jackasses. Then they try to act like it was just the New York Times that picked it up. A sh*tload of news outlets picked it up, and there is not one ounce of apology from MSNBC for for being the source of it all.


/end of rant

MSDNC is covering their a$$.

[jct74]

The problem is the NYTimes article was picked up by the AP, the London Times, etc.

Actually the New York Times article and the AP article are two different articles. They both screwed up, unbelievably. And both of the articles have been syndicated far and wide.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/us/politics/21paul.html
http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/8ef5320729ce4298abefc1903704c7d5/Article_2010-05-20-US-Rand-Paul-Civil-Rights/id-184501ebd7bb498b92d4db39cbcb4024

[ItsTime]

Slime ball bitch.

[jct74]

Here's a couple of notable media outlets that have picked up the story so far:
http://bigjournalism.com/llyman/2010/05/24/rand-paul-wanders-into-msnbc-lions-den-gets-words-ravaged/
http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2010/05/rachel_maddow_-_lying_weasel.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/58246.html
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/05/22/rachel-maddow-show-busts-new-york-times-misquoting-rand-paul
http://www.bluegrassbulletin.com/2010/05/rand-paul-controversy-now-busted-by-newsbusters-.html
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/49/103/MSNBC_defends_fraudulent_Rand_Paul_transcript_as_t echnically_correct_,_makes_no_apologies.html
http://www.infowars.com/corporate-media-uses-fraudulent-msnbc-transcript-to-portray-rand-paul-as-a-racist/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/corporate-media-uses-fraudulent-msnbc-transcript-to-portray-rand-paul-as-a-racist.html

Original thread at Daily Paul:
http://dailypaul.com/node/135280

[Flash]

Maddow was the same woman that slandered the JBS for several days without allowing a rebuttal. She is scum.

[Stary Hickory]

MSNBC really really is not a trust worthy news site. He said "yeah" as in he understands the question and to create continuity because of overlapping voices. MSNBC will get what it richly deserves sooner or later.

That is disgusting.