Is Dobson seriously considering endorsing Ron Paul?

[hard@work]

Okay I never believed for a second this was possible. Even though to me logically it makes perfect sense for the Evangelical movement to endorse Ron Paul I firmly believe that the war and the issue of civil liberty would be too much for them to stomache. However, I must admit secretly I have prayed that it would get through to them that in order to secure their own liberty to pursue their belief in virtue that they must help to secure it for all. And I secretly pray that the anger welling inside their base at the total rejection they've received from the neoconservatives whom they pretty much put into power forces them to come to terms with the plain fact that they were used to launch us into an un-American un-just war. But these hopes are low on the list of hopes I have.

But - I did see this.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Download/22318/1/H-C-Dobson-attacks-Rudy.wmv

After watching it I want you to pay attention to the video at 3:40. You would at first glance think that it's a signal of a close consideration of Huckabee. But after reviewing it I realized that it is as much that as it is a dismissal of him in place of another dark horse. One who truly has the power to defeat Hillary, and bring the pro-choice camp into the pro-life fold for the first time in history.

As much as I cannot comprehend a great change at this level .. I am truly seeing it now as at least a possibility. And after all, pro-life means all life.

[kylejack]

I've suspected for about a week that he is. We have to continue to prove viability.

[born2drv]

I agree.... if RP is a legit top tier candidate by ALL definitions.... then he will get LOTS of endorsements.... until then unfortunately not.

What we need to work on is:

1) double digits in all national polls
2) more wide spread name recognition
3) top fundraiser in Q4 would be a big plus

I think we can meet these 3 objectives.... then a top 3 finish in NH, IA, SC, etc... hopefully winning 1 state. This will be when the rest of america starts to actually pay attention to who's running... right now a lot of americans just don't care unfortunately. then come super tuesday hopefully we'll have gained the momentum we need to win.

[Ron Paul Fan]

But what about Paul's objection to the war, being pro civil liberties on gambling and pornography, and not being as hard on gays? I figured he'd endorse Huckabee if he's still in it. If it's just Paul and the frontrunners though, then he might become an ally because he seems to despise Giuliani as much as we do and Paul is the anti-Giuliani. The enemy of my enemy is my friend!

[Perry]

No he is not. Dobson is talking about boycotting the republican party altogether.

[paulitics]

strippers 4 Ron Paul! Dobson 4 Ron Paul!! Wait a minute.

[coffeewithchess]

My honest guess is that Dobson would support Huckabee, not Paul. Huckabee was a Southern Baptist preacher and fits right into the typical right wing candidate, that would fit along with Dobson's platform. I go to a Southern Baptist church and most of the people at the church are CLUELESS about politics...they love Bush and don't think he has done much(or anything) wrong.

[kylejack]

My honest guess is that Dobson would support Huckabee, not Paul. Huckabee was a Southern Baptist preacher and fits right into the typical right wing candidate, that would fit along with Dobson's platform. I go to a Southern Baptist church and most of the people at the church are CLUELESS about politics...they love Bush and don't think he has done much(or anything) wrong.

Huckabee is a better fit, but they don't want to support a loser and lose legitimacy. They'll back a winning candidate who has a platform that is generally acceptable to them, i.e. Ron Paul. Which is why its critical that we keep sending money and providing other support to prove legitimacy.

[steph3n]

I honestly don't think they will support Huckabee fully, he is showing more and more to just be a democrat really, "share the wealth"


My honest guess is that Dobson would support Huckabee, not Paul. Huckabee was a Southern Baptist preacher and fits right into the typical right wing candidate, that would fit along with Dobson's platform. I go to a Southern Baptist church and most of the people at the church are CLUELESS about politics...they love Bush and don't think he has done much(or anything) wrong.

[Daveforliberty]

hard@work I think you're on to something. Dobson's statement about Huckabee being a dark horse is "He's one of them," meaning there is at least one other. And leaving it at that, he seemed to show no inclination towards Huckabee at all. (I guess God only speaks to Janet Folger! ;))

I think he's watching Ron Paul very closely.

[kylejack]

I honestly don't think they will support Huckabee fully, he is showing more and more to just be a democrat really, "share the wealth"

Except without the sexual immorality and a heavy religious component. He's a fairly attractive candidate to an evangelical, I suspect.

[UCFGavin]

But what about Paul's objection to the war, being pro civil liberties on gambling and pornography, and not being as hard on gays? I figured he'd endorse Huckabee if he's still in it. If it's just Paul and the frontrunners though, then he might become an ally because he seems to despise Giuliani as much as we do and Paul is the anti-Giuliani. The enemy of my enemy is my friend!

i think dobson would respect paul's convictions and principles. he said he lived on principles and i know no other man that is more principled than RP.

[Grandson of Liberty]

strippers 4 Ron Paul! Dobson 4 Ron Paul!! Wait a minute.

That would actually be fantastic proof that Dr. Paul can unite the nation!

I certainly don't agree with alot of folks about alot of things, but we all agree on Ron Paul!

I am one who would not be surprised if Dr. Dobson did endorse him at some point. It would be great if the two could meet face to face and discuss the issues . . . I think Dr. Paul would have it sewed up.

[LibertyEagle]

No he is not. Dobson is talking about boycotting the republican party altogether.

A friend of mine wrote his organization and apparently the MSM blew that all out of proportion. I am not yet willing to give up on him supporting Ron Paul. I'm really not.

[hard@work]

Yes you would think Huckabee would completely fit the bill. I did too. But then you have to recall the great truths that Paul has been shining the light on. The constitutional positions he has is just as protective of the Evangelicals rights as it is of any other group.

Actually from one perspective especially in relation to his strict attitude against regulating free speach, education, etc. etc. etc. ... who else stands for more positions that strengthen the Evengelical movement. As he put it quite eloquently in regards to the civil liberties that protect the Evangelicals and the homosexuals - it is not that we endorse sin or bad activities no - we endorse freedom.

There is a lot more opression through force that has occured towards the Christians than is spoken about. Even though it appears that they are the ones trying to legislate virtue it can be said that this activity is only in defense after other groups have tried to force religion out of the lives of individuals.

Just stuff to ponder. I personally strongly believe that the Evangelicals won't get over the war issue. But I still hope that they will rebel against the neoconservatives. I think it is blaringly obvious that the neocons have outright betrayed them.

[10thAmendmentMan]

My hope is that Dobson and the rest of the religious right take their ball and go home. That way, by not playing with one of the two big parties, they marginalize themselves and the Republican party gets more socially liberal.

I can always dream, I guess. :(

[1000-points-of-fright]

Holy crap. I just browsed over that site and found this http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/10/11/read-the-constitution/

Read some of the comments. They're insane. "Ron Paul wants to go back to the original constitution. The one without the amendments." I shit you not.

[TVMH]

Okay I never believed for a second this was possible. Even though to me logically it makes perfect sense for the Evangelical movement to endorse Ron Paul I firmly believe that the war and the issue of civil liberty would be too much for them to stomache. However, I must admit secretly I have prayed that it would get through to them that in order to secure their own liberty to pursue their belief in virtue that they must help to secure it for all. And I secretly pray that the anger welling inside their base at the total rejection they've received from the neoconservatives whom they pretty much put into power forces them to come to terms with the plain fact that they were used to launch us into an un-American un-just war. But these hopes are low on the list of hopes I have.

But - I did see this.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Download/22318/1/H-C-Dobson-attacks-Rudy.wmv

After watching it I want you to pay attention to the video at 3:40. You would at first glance think that it's a signal of a close consideration of Huckabee. But after reviewing it I realized that it is as much that as it is a dismissal of him in place of another dark horse. One who truly has the power to defeat Hillary, and bring the pro-choice camp into the pro-life fold for the first time in history.

As much as I cannot comprehend a great change at this level .. I am truly seeing it now as at least a possibility. And after all, pro-life means all life.

See the future. Be the future. Ma- Make..Make your future. :cool:

[hard@work]

My hope is that Dobson and the rest of the religious right take their ball and go home. That way, by not playing with one of the two big parties, they marginalize themselves and the Republican party gets more socially liberal.

I can always dream, I guess. :(

LOL! Pal have you not been paying attention? The Libertarians are rising. We do not need to be "social liberals". Why? We're for Liberty. Social liberals can take a hike. Liberty allows you to be conservative or liberal or whaaatever. It endorses freedom through tolerance. That applies across the board, no special rights for anyone and all rights for all.

[TurtleBurger]

Huckabee's campaign seems custom-designed to please Dobson. I think we have to wait until Huck drops out to get that endorsement.

[coffeewithchess]

Huckabee is a better fit, but they don't want to support a loser and lose legitimacy. They'll back a winning candidate who has a platform that is generally acceptable to them, i.e. Ron Paul. Which is why its critical that we keep sending money and providing other support to prove legitimacy.

They won't see Huckabee as a losing platform though, plus I do think that Huckabee is a very smart candidate and is EXTREMELY well versed, he doesn't say anything deep, but he uses terms that catch most Americans by the ear and they instantly agree with the term, but not maybe the whole message(ex. "When I was a little kid, my mother told me, if you break it, you buy it. What we essentially did in Iraq was we broke it.") Huckabee won the "value voters" debate in Florida, which was set up by the American Family Association which is a backer of Bush as well.

[kylejack]

They won't see Huckabee as a losing platform though, plus I do think that Huckabee is a very smart candidate and is EXTREMELY well versed, he doesn't say anything deep, but he uses terms that catch most Americans by the ear and they instantly agree with the term, but not maybe the whole message(ex. "When I was a little kid, my mother told me, if you break it, you buy it. What we essentially did in Iraq was we broke it.") Huckabee won the "value voters" debate in Florida, which was set up by the American Family Association which is a backer of Bush as well.

Right, I agree that Huckabee is formidable for that purpose, but my point is that we need to do everything we can to prove that we are the true dark horse candidate, the only one who can take out the top tier. Raising 5 million to his 1 goes a long way in making him look like a non-starter, even though he is charismatic and has some poll strength now.

[me3]

If the Christian Right is serious about advancing one of their most important agendas, then they would be wise to elect Paul, who wants to repeal Rowe vs. Wade.

At least this gives them the opportunity to battle for no abortions at the state level, smaller and more easily achievable battlegrounds.

It would be a major tactical mistake for the party to overlook Paul. What people are missing is that Paul doesn't want to legislate the terms of marriage, period. Based on this, the Christian Right again could attack this on a state by state basis, instead of trying to build a national consensus. Not that I agree with it, but tactically, I would rather fracture the opposition and pick them off one by one, than try to play all in behind a losing proposition (the other candidates and/or a third party).

[hard@work]

Let's not forget one world government.

[Matt Collins]

I figured he'd endorse HuckabeeThe best way to diffuse a Christian's support for Huckabee is to mention the fact that Huckabee took federal abortion money while Gov of Arkansas for the BlueCross/BlueShield funding.

[10thAmendmentMan]

LOL! Pal have you not been paying attention? The Libertarians are rising. We do not need to be "social liberals". Why? We're for Liberty. Social liberals can take a hike. Liberty allows you to be conservative or liberal or whaaatever. It endorses freedom through tolerance. That applies across the board, no special rights for anyone and all rights for all.

I'd like that very much. However, given that that party has gone nowhere in over thirty years, I'll believe it when I sees it.

[quickmike]

Man, Hannity has LOST it hasnt he? He practically put his head up that guys ass all the way up to his shoulders.

[Keith]

One good thing is that Dobson knows just like the rest of us that Huckabee is almost broke. I don't think he will endorse the guy right before he drops out of the campaign.

Anyone know when the federal matching funds come in to wipe out the debts of the also rans so they can drop out without having to pay their bills?

[peacemonger]

I think Dobson might trust Paul to be pro life because he delivered 4000 babies. Its hard to get more pro life than that.

As for the other issues about legislating morality, I'll bet that Dobson is smart enough to understand why sticking to the constitution is a better idea.

[barcop]

Huckabee is a liberal pandering to the Christian right. Simple as that.

You want to turn a Christian off of Huckabee. Just ask them if the believe the Constitution was founded on Christian values. Of course they will say yes.

Then take Huckabee's statement in the debate... that he would ignore the Constitution, ignore the congress and go to war if he chose to.

Romans 13:1-4, "Obey the government , for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow."

or ask them why a "Christian" man would joke like this....

LITTLE ROCK (AP) - Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee joked Tuesday that other candidates might be considering suicide because their level of support doesn't match their fundraising.

The former Arkansas governor, exaggerating, said other GOP presidential hopefuls were raising $100 for every nickel he had raised. "If I were some of these guys, I'd have to be sitting in a warm tub of water with razor blades," Huckabee said on MSNBC-TV.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8S5RGCG0&show_article=1

or just review his liberal voting record.

He's a hack... and if Dobson endorsed Huckabee it would make him a hack too.

[Corydoras]

I think Dobson might trust Paul to be pro life because he delivered 4000 babies. Its hard to get more pro life than that.

Careful... Obstetricians are highly pro-abortion in general. RP is as unusual an obstetrician as he is a Republican-- that is, he is what they USED to be when they had some integrity.

See, for example:
http://www.acog.org/from_home/publications/press_releases/nr04-18-07.cfm

[Hook]

Huckabee is a liberal pandering to the Christian right. Simple as that.

You want to turn a Christian off of Huckabee. Just ask them if the believe the Constitution was founded on Christian values. Of course they will say yes.

Then take Huckabee's statement in the debate... that he would ignore the Constitution, ignore the congress and go to war if he chose to.

Romans 13:1-4, "Obey the government , for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow."

or ask them why a "Christian" man would joke like this....

LITTLE ROCK (AP) - Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee joked Tuesday that other candidates might be considering suicide because their level of support doesn't match their fundraising.

The former Arkansas governor, exaggerating, said other GOP presidential hopefuls were raising $100 for every nickel he had raised. "If I were some of these guys, I'd have to be sitting in a warm tub of water with razor blades," Huckabee said on MSNBC-TV.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8S5RGCG0&show_article=1

or just review his liberal voting record.

He's a hack... and if Dobson endorsed Huckabee it would make him a hack too.

Dobson became a hack when he endorsed GWB. I used to have a lot of respect for him, but not so much anymore.

[Hook]

As long as Dr. Paul isn't part of the "Bomb the Muslims for Jesus" crowd, he ain't gonna get any love from Dobson.

[Tidewise]

But what about Paul's objection to the war, being pro civil liberties on gambling and pornography, and not being as hard on gays?
All they have to understand is the same thing that Scalia and Thomas have been saying: IT IS UP TO THE STATES! We just need to convince them that even if they don't have someone in the FEDERAL government actively endorsing their views (but not opposing their views either), they can still use the State governments to enforce their agenda (for better or worse).

The Constitution: THE ULTIMATE BIG TENT