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bobbyw24
05-17-2010, 09:01 AM
Finally, some smart people understand this.

Arizona's tough new law against illegal immigration has prompted furious protests and boycotts but Jewish groups say opponents who compare it with the rise of Nazi Germany are going too far.

"It diminishes the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder and dean of the Wiesenthal Center, an internationally known Holocaust studies center based in Los Angeles.

"Survivors and others are very upset about this," he said Friday. "When you exaggerate, it's very harmful to them when they know that their mothers and fathers were taken to the gas chambers without any recourse to the law. They lost children."

The Arizona law that takes effect in July makes illegal immigration a state as well as a federal crime. It requires police to ask a person about his or her immigration status if there's "reasonable suspicion" that the person is in the country illegally.

Critics say it opens the door to racial profiling against Hispanics, although the law bars prosecutions based solely on race.

Last month, Cardinal Roger Mahony, head of the Los Angeles Roman Catholic Archdiocese, said the law encourages people to turn on each other in Nazi- and Soviet-style repression.

References to fascism also came up on Wednesday as the Los Angeles City Council voted to boycott Arizona businesses.

Councilman Paul Koretz likened the law — and other Arizona laws such as one that curbs high school ethnic studies programs — to the beginnings of Nazi Germany when Jews were singled out for persecution.

"We can't let this advance any further," Koretz said. "It is absolutely dangerous."

The Wiesenthal Center opposes the immigration law.

"We think it stigmatizes immigrants, for example, Latinos," Hier said. "A white American would never have to face such a challenge so it's openly discriminatory in its nature."

However, Hier said it is unjust to compare a law passed by democratically-elected officials to those made in a totalitarian state that gave its victims no recourse to the law.

"Here, to call fellow Americans Nazis is beyond the pale. Not every tremor is the Haiti earthquake," Hier said.

The German laws led to death camps "and America is not coming down that road," he said.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/US-Immigration-Crackdown-Wiesenthal/2010/05/14/id/359096

Daamien
05-17-2010, 09:05 AM
So it's not considered a bad law and perversion of due process because it isn't as bad as discriminatory laws made under Nazi Germany? What a horrible argument. We view individual liberty from oppressive government as a fundamental and absolute right, not as some relative comparison to the Holocaust.

tmosley
05-17-2010, 09:11 AM
It's not bad until they have killed 6 million people. If they already killed more than that, then it's not as bad unless they were Jews. If they were jews, then OUTRAGE.

Carole
05-17-2010, 09:32 AM
OM Gosh!

Their argument is that it diminishes the Holocaust-somehow suggesting that it might usurp the Holocaust in people's minds.

"Survivors and others are very upset about this," he said Friday. "When you exaggerate, it's very harmful to them when they know that their mothers and fathers were taken to the gas chambers without any recourse to the law. They lost children."

Is was awful but "exaggeration" - This is their biggest concern?

Sorry, but this article does nothing legitimate to either support the bill or to criticize the opponents of the bill. It is more a selfish attempt to preserve the Holocaust movement as the one and only extermination disaster ever while there have been numerous others which are completely disregarded and numerous others ongoing that are ignored.

I wish the article had been more about facts than feelings.

stu2002
05-17-2010, 09:39 AM
We as Libertarians simply cannot tolerate a member who posts things from the Simon Wiesenthal Center. And he said they were smart.

We at RPF will NOT tolerate diverse opinion on this matter.

bobbyw24 is a Neo-con. BAN HIM

Daamien
05-17-2010, 09:50 AM
We as Libertarians simply cannot tolerate a member who posts things from the Simon Wiesenthal Center. And he said they were smart.

We at RPF will NOT tolerate diverse opinion on this matter.

bobbyw24 is a Neo-con. BAN HIM

Not at all, it's just that the article itself is inane.

catdd
05-17-2010, 09:55 AM
OM Gosh!

Their argument is that it diminishes the Holocaust-somehow suggesting that it might usurp the Holocaust in people's minds.

"Survivors and others are very upset about this," he said Friday. "When you exaggerate, it's very harmful to them when they know that their mothers and fathers were taken to the gas chambers without any recourse to the law. They lost children."

Is was awful but "exaggeration" - This is their biggest concern?

Sorry, but this article does nothing legitimate to either support the bill or to criticize the opponents of the bill. It is more a selfish attempt to preserve the Holocaust movement as the one and only extermination disaster ever while there have been numerous others which are completely disregarded and numerous others ongoing that are ignored.

I wish the article had been more about facts than feelings.

The Holocaust Industry is a big money industry that thrives on being the biggest and bestest.
This is Finkelstein's point.

Pepsi
05-17-2010, 09:56 AM
The Holocaust Industry is a big money industry that thrives on being the biggest and bestest.
This is Finkelstein's point.

A lot of books about the Holocaust have been proven to be hoaxs and made up by the authers. Makes you wonder

jmdrake
05-17-2010, 10:03 AM
What a straw man argument! The reference being made to Nazi and Soviet laws was that those countries made everybody submit their papers. WW II and Nazi Germany was not all about killing Jews.

Anyway, the new draft of this law looks better, but I still have concerns.

Inflation
05-17-2010, 08:05 PM
What we have here is the 'stopped clock effect.'

Holocaust Pimps like Rabbi Hier are correct about the AZ law, but for the wrong reason:


Jewish groups say opponents who compare it with the rise of Nazi Germany are going too far.

"It diminishes the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier

michaelwise
05-17-2010, 08:13 PM
You've got to understand mindset of the pushers of the Holocaust industry. They are compelled to assert their dominance in their money making race bating activities that thy lay absolute claim to, lest another group encroach on their territory.
Defamation: True Stories on Vimeo (http://www.vimeo.com/9102650)

tmosley
05-17-2010, 09:00 PM
bobbyw24 is a Neo-con. BAN HIM

Uhhh, no he isn't. He posts a wide variety of articles from many different viewpoints.

Screaming for blood after a single post that you disagree with is indicative of a troll. Best look in the mirror before you judge others.

I mean, you're saying that libertarians can't have differing opinions. NEWS FLASH: That's what libertarianism is!

yokna7
05-17-2010, 09:06 PM
Where are all the jewish Mexicans? The ADL would be all over that..

Imperial
05-17-2010, 09:14 PM
I think the article is right. It is easier to see the world as black and white than to acknowledge the nuance of the situation. I am in similar boat as them- it is not the end of America, but it isn't a well-crafted law.