Why can't we recall congressmen now? It's special election time!

[free1]

Why can't we, as the sovereign People, recall any congressman now?

I know there's rules written somewhere in the "codes" that say you can't.

But who wrote those rules? The congressmen? I call BS. They don't have the properly delegated powers! Null and void!

We the People are the power. If we hire and delegate to someone to be our representative, we should be able to remove them any time we want.

They can't write rules to stop us from removing them. That's the one thing we have, the ability to vote them out, and recall them the same way.

All you have to do for a recall is get enough signatures to start a recall, then there's a special election where you vote to throw the guy out.

And when it's done, and it has been in a lot of places, you should see the other guys around start to become nervous and start acting accordingly.

It's like water on a witch!

All we would need to do is recall just one of those guys and watch them all start behaving.

I've seen a small political group of only 30 people cause a recall election on a local politician. Went door to door to get signatures. Career over!

Call their bluff! "codes" / rules be damed! Not constitutional!

I don't want to wait 6 months while they destroy this country! It's an emergency!

[NoHero]

Look at your state law. In Louisiana they tried to get Landrieu recalled. The state law said any elected officials except judges provided you get signatures of like 1/3 of registered voters to hold a recall election.

[free1]

Look at your state law. In Louisiana they tried to get Landrieu recalled. The state law said any elected officials except judges provided you get signatures of like 1/3 of registered voters to hold a recall election.
So did they get the guy recalled? Got enough signatures?

Do you know if anyone has challenged the laws in any other state?

[NoHero]

http://www.moveonmary.org

I thought there was a deadline, but apparently the effort is still under way. That site has info about other states' efforts as well, like a New Jersey court ruled a recall election of U.S. Senator Bob Menendez can take place.

[free1]

http://www.moveonmary.org

I thought there was a deadline, but apparently the effort is still under way. That site has info about other states' efforts as well, like a New Jersey court ruled a recall election of U.S. Senator Bob Menendez can take place.
I could see if you went to court and argued that we the People voted the guy in, and that we the People created the government, that we are on top, and therefore they can't stop us or write any rules to stop us from recalling a politician we put in office.

Let them try to argue that we are not on top, that would be a real winner. I would love to see the evidence they would have to present.

This can be done, and should be done regardless of what time we have. Even if it's just to set precedent for other elections.

And it would help to keep their feet to the fire, knowing they could get kicked out at any time.

[cheapseats]

Indeed, why NOT recall elections in November?

Because we don't DEMAND it, then INSIST on it. We ASK the very Powers we would unseat for permission to unseat them and, wonder of wonders, they say NO.

We then say WHAT CAN WE DO? They will ARREST us and FINE us, maybe even SHOOT us. Short-barreled shotguns for IRS Agents? Whoa, gimme a sec while I write y'all a check. How much extra for being late, irrespective of Government's many mistakes and oversights?

Oh well, at least we tried.

[free1]

Indeed, why NOT recall elections in November?

Because we don't DEMAND it, then INSIST on it. We ASK the very Powers we would unseat for permission to unseat them and, wonder of wonders, they say NO.

I agree.

With knowledge of how sovereignty works, we should be able to push for recalls in any state, regardless of what "rules" they have put in place. It's most likely not a power delegated to them in any state constitution, so any "rules" would be null and void.

You can read up on sovereignty in this thread:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=239938

[torchbearer]

The AG in Louisiana won't back the recall. He states that since the state government has no control over federal elections, the people can't recall congressmen.
we went ahead with the recall.

I proposed that we also circulate a recall petition for the AG, but the guy leading the charge dismissed the idea.
Obviously, i think he is an idiot.

[free1]

The AG in Louisiana won't back the recall. He states that since the state government has no control over federal elections, the people can't recall congressmen.
we went ahead with the recall.

I proposed that we also circulate a recall petition for the AG, but the guy leading the charge dismissed the idea.
Obviously, i think he is an idiot.
The People can do what they want, state or federal. We are the ultimate power, it all comes from us. If the AG won't act the People can. But the AG doesn't want people to understand that.

So are there any local news people covering your recall? (link please) I wonder how many of these are going on without anyone knowing about it. Stuff like this should be all over the internet.

These congressmen are the People's representatives, so the People would be the ones with the ultimate power to remove them.

Why would they let the People vote for a representative, but then turn around and say you can't remove them? Why not just say the People can't pick a representative in the first place.

And isn't the AG the first one to jump and enforce a federal law? So he is now saying he can't do anything federal? Which is it?

I hope you have some good knowledgeable people in your group that can help fight this. It's probably going to end up in court.

[tangent4ronpaul]

We've talked about this before.

Only about 6 states have recall provisons, and the courts have consistantly ruled that they only apply to local (in state) politicians and not members of Congress or the President.

As to LA, there are 2.8 Million registered voters down there and you need signatures from a third of them. Rather expensive in $$$ and manpower to pull off. Any idea how many slim jims or other flyers you all distributed in the state durring the allmost 2 years of Ron Paul's campaign?

This would be a GREAT campaign issue for Rand Paul!

-t

[free1]

We've talked about this before.

Only about 6 states have recall provisons, and the courts have consistantly ruled that they only apply to local (in state) politicians and not members of Congress or the President.

That's the point we are talking about, the sovereign People had the power to put them in, they should have the power to take them out, regardless if some government dude thinks you need a "provision" - permission to do so.

We are sovereign, we don't need their permission to do things. We don't go to our servants and ask them for permission to do things, they work for us.

If they don't want to do it, we can. It's up to us to force the issue and stand our ground.

[free1]

Confirming that the People are sovereign:

In Chisholm v. Georgia The Supreme Court ruled,

[A]t the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people; and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects. with none to govern but themselves; the citizens of America are equal as fellow citizens, and as joint tenants in the sovereignty. (US) @ Dall 419, 4541 L Ed 440, 455 @ Dall 1793 pp.471-472.

In Yick Wo v. Hopkins, Sheriff, the Supreme Court ruled:

Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to the law, for it is the author and source of law, but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts... For, the very idea that one man may be compelled to hold his life or the means of living or any material right essential to the enjoyment of life, at the mere will of another, seems to be intolerable in any country where freedom prevails, as being the essence of slavery itself. (118 U. 5. 356.)

In Scott v. Sandford, Mo. they ruled:

The words ‘sovereign people’ are those who form the sovereign, and who hold the power and conduct the government through their representatives. Every citizen is one of these people and a constituent member of this sovereignty.’ 60 US 393 404

More at
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=239938

And a great video everyone should watch:
YouTube - The Story of Your Enslavement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A)

[free1]

Kick them out now before they pass more BS!

[free1]

Things are heating up for the progressive socialists, more will be jumping off the sinking ship soon...

[free1]

Rat gone bye bye!

[RideTheDirt]

This thread is awesome

When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

[free1]

This thread is awesome
Yes

[free1]

do it!