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tangent4ronpaul
05-13-2010, 11:47 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/05/12/genetic.testing.walgreens/

Walgreens postpones plans to sell personal genetic tests

(CNN) -- Walgreens has postponed its plans to sell personal genetic test kits after the Food and Drug Administration intervened.

Genetic kits from Pathway Genomics, a San Diego, California-based company were to be sold at the nationwide drug stores starting Friday. But the announcement prompted criticism from genetics experts and the FDA, which warned consumers to be skeptical about the unapproved product.

After the agency contacted the genetic testing company, Walgreens announced that it would hold off on the sale of the kits.

"We've elected not to move forward with offering the Pathway product to our customers until we have further clarity on this matter," a Walgreens statement said.

Pathway Genomics' tests purport to examine saliva samples to assess a person's risk of getting more than 70 diseases including heart disease, hypertension and lung cancer. The company also offers carrier testing for pre-pregnancy planning, which would test for mutations that cause genetic disorders such as cystic fibrosis and Tay-Sachs disease.

The $20 kits contain a plastic tube to contain saliva, instructions and a postage-paid envelope to send the spit sample to the laboratory. The testing costs about $79 to $249.

Despite such claims, geneticists say the scientific understanding is not sufficient to accurately assess risks for common diseases such as cancer, diabetes and heart disease. While data about genetic markers can be obtained, scientists don't know exactly what those mean.

"Many of these markers are not understood, even what genes they are affecting right now," said Dr. Kenneth Offit, chief of clinical genetics service at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York. "It's a very, very early stage in this level of genomic research."
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The FDA, in a statement to CNN on Wednesday, said: "Pathway Genomics has moved outside of the currently sanctioned boundaries for lab-developed tests by marketing a product in a retail store that asks consumers to collect a sample. These kits have not been proven safe, effective or accurate and patients could be making medical decisions based on data from a test that hasn't been validated by the FDA."

It warned consumers that "they may be putting themselves at risk if they rely on a test that hasn't been validated or approved by the FDA."

"The claims being made have limitations based on existing science," it said, and warned consumers "should not be making important medical and lifestyle decisions without first consulting a health care professional."

The FDA said it has no record of Pathway Genomics' test being submitted to the agency for approval and that it could not provide any information about the agency's possible actions.

Read FDA's letter to Pathway Genomics

In response, the company issued this statement: "We respect and understand Walgreens decision and we are communicating with the FDA about the Pathway Genomics Insight collection kit."

Earlier this week, Pathway Genomics said the kits do not require FDA approval because they are in an exempt class.

"In our company, our bar is so high," said Michael Nova, the chief medical officer at Pathway Genomics. "We welcome any discussion with FDA, but we haven't had anybody at the FDA say anything to us."

The kits help people make better health choices, Nova said. The company has full-time genetic counselors, nutritionists and doctors if consumers or their doctor wants to discuss a genetics report, he said.

These kits are not new. Pathway Genomics has sold its kits online since September, but is the first to sell the product at a major, nationwide chain. More than 30 companies have offered personal genetic testing through online orders for years.

The FDA said it has been reviewing online marketing practices of these companies and has reached out requesting that the companies speak to the agency about the claims.

The Federal Trade Commission also warned consumers on its website that direct-to-consumer tests "lack scientific validity and others provide medical results that are meaningful only in the context of a full medical evaluation."

Most genetic tests have not been approved by the FDA, said W. Andrew Faucett, director of the genomics and public health program at the Emory University School of Medicine.

For these types of tests, "the science is very immature. I don't think anybody knows what is the right answer," he said.

A saliva sample from a person sent to several genetic testing companies may yield conflicting results.

"You can get different risks based on this test versus a similar test done by one of their competitors because they're looking at different risk markers and using different risk algorithms," Faucett said.

Pathway Genomics said it considers more than genetics by taking into account various lifestyle questions and family history in its questionnaire.

"We don't view genetics in a vacuum," Nova said. "It's a piece of the wellness puzzle. We're trying to promote healthy living and get people to do something about it."

Having genetic information could motivate consumers to be more proactive about their health, but these results, based on incomplete science, may give too many false positives or ambiguous information, said Offit, who was a senior author of a report on genetic testing for the America Society of Clinical Oncology.

"Those of us who are involved in the field are concerned with more of the risk than benefit here," he said. "The risk is for false alarm or for false reassurance."

A false alarm may trigger unwarranted, invasive diagnostic tests that are expensive and risky. Or a person may receive false reassurance that he or she is not at risk for a certain disease and not be vigilant about his or her health, he said.

Meanwhile, genetic carrier tests are more accurate because scientists know more about single gene disorders, such as Huntington's disease and sickle cell anemia, Faucett said. These carrier screenings involve identifying individuals who carry one copy of a gene for a disease that requires two copies for the disease to be expressed in a child.

"For many of the pregnancy carrier risk, the science is very strong," he said. "These are known genetic conditions, known to happen at a certain frequency, and you're looking for common mutations."

Genetic information can be very valuable, but also confusing, said Elizabeth Kearney, president of National Society of Genetic Counselors.

Before getting tested, she recommended talking with a genetic counselor to determine what an individual would like to learn and what would be done with the information.

"I think there is that potential for misunderstanding that somebody might think I'm going to get genetic testing -- it's going to tell me everything," she said. "I think people need to understand there's a lot of limitations to the testing."


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Zippyjuan
05-13-2010, 12:04 PM
At this point, genetic testing doesn't give you much more info than looking at your own familiy tree. Because an uncle had a certain disease does not necessarily mean you will get it. Because you have a marker which is thought (there is nothing conclusive yet) to be related to a disease does not mean you will get the disease.


Despite such claims, geneticists say the scientific understanding is not sufficient to accurately assess risks for common diseases such as cancer, diabetes and heart disease. While data about genetic markers can be obtained, scientists don't know exactly what those mean.


Does it help you to know that you might get say a cancer? How do you react? There was a story several years back about a woman who was afraid of getting breast cancer and was so concerned that she looked around until she found a doctor willing to do a double mastectomy on her. She did not even have cancer.

Elwar
05-13-2010, 12:06 PM
Knowledge is power.

dannno
05-13-2010, 12:14 PM
At this point, genetic testing doesn't give you much more info than looking at your own familiy tree. Because an uncle had a certain disease does not necessarily mean you will get it.

Bullshoy, this test tells you if you got your uncles gene or not.. Looking at the family tree doesn't tell you whether those genes were passed to you or not, just tells you that there is a possibility you could have them.

and what if my uncle died in a car accident :confused:

tangent4ronpaul
05-13-2010, 12:14 PM
It's a start. Sure, some markers are less clear than others, but some are very solid - especially those about what you might pass on to offspring in the way of inherited diseases.

The bleading edge of cancer research does gene sequencing and tailors the specific drug regime to what was found. Granted, this is more general - not from a biopsy. If you know your markers, you can search PubMed find out more about what those markers are associated with. You can also taks such a test to your doctor and get their advice.

What the DFA is pushing for here is more control and regulation. They want the companies to spend hundreds of millions of dollars so their test can be "blessed" and permission given to use it with tons of strings attached. Really, at the price - its a bargain for gene sequencing. It won't be if the FDA gets their dirty little paws on it and the company doens't go broke getting approved.

This is a major reason medical care in this country is so expensive.

-t

Krugerrand
05-13-2010, 12:36 PM
At this point, genetic testing doesn't give you much more info than looking at your own familiy tree. Because an uncle had a certain disease does not necessarily mean you will get it. Because you have a marker which is thought (there is nothing conclusive yet) to be related to a disease does not mean you will get the disease.

Does it help you to know that you might get say a cancer? How do you react? There was a story several years back about a woman who was afraid of getting breast cancer and was so concerned that she looked around until she found a doctor willing to do a double mastectomy on her. She did not even have cancer.

If it doesn't matter, I waste tons of time each doctor appointment filling out my family medical history on a slew of different conditions, etc.

For people that are adopted or similarly have no access to their medical history, it's exceptionally relevant.

Zippyjuan
05-13-2010, 12:39 PM
The issue for now is that for most diseases there is not yet a strong enough connection between having a given gene marker and eventually getting the disease. If a test is wrong more than half the time is it worth getting the test?

Working Poor
05-13-2010, 01:15 PM
I wonder what the real reason the FDA does not want people to be able to access this info?

Zippyjuan
05-13-2010, 01:32 PM
You can still get genetic testing done if you want.

Krugerrand
05-13-2010, 01:33 PM
I wonder what the real reason the FDA does not want people to be able to access this info?

It's probably something along the lines of a competitive product that will be brought to the market by a better connected company.

BuddyRey
05-13-2010, 05:18 PM
It's amazing that we live in an age in which you can find out information like this from a 20-dollar kit purchased at a corner drugstore. Can these products map out your geneology too, or is it just for purposes of medical research?

Inflation
05-13-2010, 09:28 PM
All that is not Permitted, is Forbidden. It's 'For the Children.'

FDA or flipper babies. No other option exists; make your choice!

Zippyjuan
05-14-2010, 01:13 PM
It's amazing that we live in an age in which you can find out information like this from a 20-dollar kit purchased at a corner drugstore. Can these products map out your geneology too, or is it just for purposes of medical research?

That is just for the kit- a plastic jar you spit into. The actual testing can cost up to $250.

TheBlackPeterSchiff
05-14-2010, 01:41 PM
Man, can you imagine how advanced we would be if government never got involved in drug regulation and health care?