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Proemio
10-11-2007, 02:54 PM
With every success of either the Grassroots, the Campaign and/or Ron Paul himself, all forums, meet-up groups or any other open, organized setting will attract exponentially more loving attention of gatekeepers for the establishment. It's just common sense, since many tens of thousands of beneficiaries of the Corporate Welfare State have everything to lose come January 2009. And since we are presently forced to pay for their keep in any case, it's natural that they would try to prevent the inevitable by hook or by crook - wouldn't you?

There are obviously many Veterans of the biggest war of all around - the Battle of Ideas - who simply don't bother with wasting their time with disruptors; this is not for them, tho a reminder is sometimes useful. The basics below is a meant for all the fabulously enthusiastic newcomers to the battle, who may get confused or discouraged by a flood of 'authoritative' does-and-don'ts in contradiction with their best instincts and common sense.

We should always keep in mind:
"There is something going on in this Country that nobody quit fully understands yet, and it's big - it's really big." - Ron Paul, Michigan Ralley, October 9th, 2007

Until then, there are no 'experts' - just opinion...

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Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression (http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/library/martin1.html)

Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring down a government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based defense, other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques depends heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token opposition party.


Dummy up. If it's not reported, if it's not news, it didn't happen.
Wax indignant. This is also known as the "how dare you?" gambit.
Characterize the charges as "rumors" or, better yet, "wild rumors." If, in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about the suspicious facts, it can only be through "rumors." (If they tend to believe the "rumors" it must be because they are simply "paranoid" or "hysterical.")
Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors and give them lead play when you appear to debunk all the charges, real and fanciful alike.
Call the skeptics names like "conspiracy theorist," "nut," "ranter," "kook," "crackpot," and of course, "rumor monger." Be sure, too, to use heavily loaded verbs and adjectives when characterizing their charges and defending the "more reasonable" government and its defenders. You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned. For insurance, set up your own "skeptics" to shoot down.
Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting strongly that they are not really interested in the truth but are simply pursuing a partisan political agenda or are out to make money (compared to over-compensated adherents to the government line who, presumably, are not).
Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can be very useful.
Dismiss the charges as "old news."
Come half-clean. This is also known as "confession and avoidance" or "taking the limited hangout route." This way, you create the impression of candor and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than-criminal "mistakes." This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall-back position quite different from the one originally taken. With effective damage control, the fall-back position need only be peddled by stooge skeptics to carefully limited markets.
Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately unknowable.
Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With thoroughly rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. For example: We have a completely free press. If they know of evidence that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF) had prior knowledge of the Oklahoma City bombing they would have reported it. They haven't reported it, so there was no prior knowledge by the BATF. Another variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy leaker and a press that would report the leak.
Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. For example: If Vince Foster was murdered, who did it and why?
Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizing distractions.
Scantly report incriminating facts, and then make nothing of them. This is sometimes referred to as "bump and run" reporting.
Baldly and brazenly lie. A favorite way of doing this is to attribute the "facts" furnished the public to a plausible-sounding, but anonymous, source.
Expanding further on numbers 4 and 5, have your own stooges "expose" scandals and champion popular causes. Their job is to pre-empt real opponents and to play 99-yard football. A variation is to pay rich people for the job who will pretend to spend their own money.
Flood the Internet with agents. This is the answer to the question, "What could possibly motivate a person to spend hour upon hour on Internet news groups defending the government and/or the press and harassing genuine critics?" Don't the authorities have defenders enough in all the newspapers, magazines, radio, and television? One would think refusing to print critical letters and screening out serious callers or dumping them from radio talk shows would be control enough, but, obviously, it is not.

Dave Wood
10-11-2007, 03:04 PM
With every success of either the Grassroots, the Campaign and/or Ron Paul himself, all forums, meet-up groups or any other open, organized setting will attract exponentially more loving attention of gatekeepers for the establishment. It's just common sense, since many tens of thousands of beneficiaries of the Corporate Welfare State have everything to lose come January 2009. And since we are presently forced to pay for their keep in any case, it's natural that they would try to prevent the inevitable by hook or by crook - wouldn't you?

There are obviously many Veterans of the biggest war of all around - the Battle of Ideas - who simply don't bother with wasting their time with disruptors; this is not for them, tho a reminder is sometimes useful. The basics below is a meant for all the fabulously enthusiastic newcomers to the battle, who may get confused or discouraged by a flood of 'authoritative' does-and-don'ts in contradiction with their best instincts and common sense.

We should always keep in mind:
"There is something going on in this Country that nobody quit fully understands yet, and it's big - it's really big." - Ron Paul, Michigan Ralley, October 9th, 2007

Until then, there are no 'experts' - just opinion...

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression (http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/library/martin1.html)

Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring down a government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based defense, other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques depends heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token opposition party.


Dummy up. If it's not reported, if it's not news, it didn't happen.
Wax indignant. This is also known as the "how dare you?" gambit.
Characterize the charges as "rumors" or, better yet, "wild rumors." If, in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about the suspicious facts, it can only be through "rumors." (If they tend to believe the "rumors" it must be because they are simply "paranoid" or "hysterical.")
Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors and give them lead play when you appear to debunk all the charges, real and fanciful alike.
Call the skeptics names like "conspiracy theorist," "nut," "ranter," "kook," "crackpot," and of course, "rumor monger." Be sure, too, to use heavily loaded verbs and adjectives when characterizing their charges and defending the "more reasonable" government and its defenders. You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned. For insurance, set up your own "skeptics" to shoot down.
Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting strongly that they are not really interested in the truth but are simply pursuing a partisan political agenda or are out to make money (compared to over-compensated adherents to the government line who, presumably, are not).
Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can be very useful.
Dismiss the charges as "old news."
Come half-clean. This is also known as "confession and avoidance" or "taking the limited hangout route." This way, you create the impression of candor and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than-criminal "mistakes." This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall-back position quite different from the one originally taken. With effective damage control, the fall-back position need only be peddled by stooge skeptics to carefully limited markets.
Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately unknowable.
Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With thoroughly rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. For example: We have a completely free press. If they know of evidence that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF) had prior knowledge of the Oklahoma City bombing they would have reported it. They haven't reported it, so there was no prior knowledge by the BATF. Another variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy leaker and a press that would report the leak.
Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. For example: If Vince Foster was murdered, who did it and why?
Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizing distractions.
Scantly report incriminating facts, and then make nothing of them. This is sometimes referred to as "bump and run" reporting.
Baldly and brazenly lie. A favorite way of doing this is to attribute the "facts" furnished the public to a plausible-sounding, but anonymous, source.
Expanding further on numbers 4 and 5, have your own stooges "expose" scandals and champion popular causes. Their job is to pre-empt real opponents and to play 99-yard football. A variation is to pay rich people for the job who will pretend to spend their own money.
Flood the Internet with agents. This is the answer to the question, "What could possibly motivate a person to spend hour upon hour on Internet news groups defending the government and/or the press and harassing genuine critics?" Don't the authorities have defenders enough in all the newspapers, magazines, radio, and television? One would think refusing to print critical letters and screening out serious callers or dumping them from radio talk shows would be control enough, but, obviously, it is not.




Whoa!! That is truly frightening. This sounds like an excerpt from the Nazi propaganda manuals.

I agree, they really are going to come after us with everything they have because its win or lose everything for them.
This is going to be one monumental battle. :eek:

Syren123
10-11-2007, 03:26 PM
Reads like the Bush Administration Employees Guide.

Lord Xar
10-11-2007, 03:34 PM
""There is something going on in this Country that nobody quit fully understands yet, and it's big - it's really big." - Ron Paul, Michigan Ralley, October 9th, 2007"

When Ron said that, what was he meaning? That our "movement" is growing OR that there is a HUGE thread to America that americans have no idea of?

Proemio
10-11-2007, 03:48 PM
Whoa!! That is truly frightening. ...

It shouldn't be. The dark-agers are a hell of a lot more frightened than us.

Think about it. They are at a distinct disadvantage in both ideas and energy. It takes a lot of effort to sustain lies, while truth simply is - it floats by itself. Also, their structure is necessarily top-down, which precludes individual initiative; meaning they are notoriously slow to react to the unexpected - need to coorinate with the ever present "boss", and the "boss' boss" etc. Cunning plans, as long as things go according to the script. Lot's of indignant foot-stamping when they don't.

A leaderless grassroots revolution is impossible to compromize. Everyone knows the destination, while everyone also takes different and unique paths to get there. Thus the need for trying to convince us to follow predictable, manageable electioneering patterns, created precisely for the purpose of a desired outcome.

It won't fly this time - they're toast...

Proemio
10-11-2007, 03:59 PM
""There is something going on in this Country that nobody quit fully understands yet, and it's big - it's really big." - Ron Paul, Michigan Ralley, October 9th, 2007"

When Ron said that, what was he meaning? That our "movement" is growing OR that there is a HUGE thread to America that americans have no idea of?

Listen to the context. It's in the supporter motivation part, near the end.
It clearly means: "Keep on doing whatever wild and wonderful stuff you do - it works."