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goRPaul
10-11-2007, 12:19 PM
http://www.nobama.com/site%205%20cart_files/image005.jpg

http://www.nobama.com/

jj111
10-11-2007, 12:22 PM
Is there a good website out there that specifies all the reasons why people should not be supporting Obama?

McDermit
10-11-2007, 12:23 PM
I was talking to family about him yesterday, and TWICE slipped up and alled him Osama. Doh. lol.

ARealConservative
10-11-2007, 12:23 PM
Obama won't win the democratic nomination.

nullvalu
10-11-2007, 12:23 PM
lol.. I might get shot if i had that sticker on my car in Chicago.. Why does that site say "Commander and Chief"?

Elwar
10-11-2007, 12:27 PM
Obama won't win the democratic nomination.

Obama beats Hillary in all ways that Ron Paul beats the Republican candidates.

If we are to believe that Ron Paul can win based on the amount of grassroots support he has, we have to believe that Obama will do the same.

Karsten
10-11-2007, 12:35 PM
Obama won't win the democratic nomination.

You mean "he can't win" or "he doesn't have a chance"? LOL, sounds familar? Ron Paul supporters should be the last ones to endorse the idea that only the media-appointed front runner can win a nomination!

constituent
10-11-2007, 12:36 PM
You mean "he can't win" or "he doesn't have a chance"? LOL, sounds familar? Ron Paul supporters should be the last ones to endorse the idea that only the media-appointed front runner can win a nomination!

i was under the impression that SnoBama was the media-appointed front runner.

Karsten
10-11-2007, 12:39 PM
i was under the impression that SnoBama was the media-appointed front runner.

Hillary is.

ThePieSwindler
10-11-2007, 12:41 PM
Purely as a candidate on the issues, Obama is a big government statist like hillary, with perhaps a little bit more charismatic appeal. However, he also has a much stronger grassroots following than hillary, akin to Ron Paul's grassroots following. However, our grassroots is a more deep seated, principled loyalty, where as Obama is seen more as being "fresh" and has "star" appeal, as well as the whole "black guy running for president" appeal. However, he also has the mainstream cred that Ron paul seems to not have, mainly because he is a statist and he doesn't threaten to break down the state apparatus at all, but rather would build it up. The reason attacking Obama is important is because many of his followers are moderate democrats who probably would go for Ron Paul if they knew about him, but go for Obama because he is "fresh" and "hip" and they think he is anti-war, though he is only very selectively so. I've converted many Obama supporters who liked him primarily because he was anti-war, by telling them about Ron Pauls true, experienced, principled anti-war and non-interventionism stances. Obama supporters are a source of supporter-mining, and a fairly fruitful one at that, but don't overtly attack Obama, they'll think you're a hillary supporter or a Republican partisan and ignore you. Simply tell them that Obama sounds great, but his record is not that of a moderate "uniter", nor that of a true anti-war candidate, and present Ron Paul as the best alternative (which he is). Don't go around town with a NObama sticker...

Also, that site blows, and the "young and inexperienced" is the a horrible reason for trashing Obama. HIllary is a veteran, is very experienced - does that make her a good candidate? No, simply because she is experienced at manipulation, control, and expansion of the state does not make her a good candidate. I hate the criteria people use to choose a "good" candidate. Calvin Coolidge was one of the best presidents ever, but is considered a poor president my scholars simply because he didnt "get stuff done", but rather stood for lassez-faire principles that were the status quo at the time ( in the face of syndicalism, interventionism, and socialism that permeated the era and eventually took over, whilst the economy flourished under coolidge). They'd rather crown FDR and Abe Lincoln the best presidents simply because they "got stuff done", regardless of whether or not it was the right "stuff", i.e. protection of individual liberty.

constituent
10-11-2007, 12:51 PM
Hillary is.

Yea, but that's like saying McCan or Mitt-Witt are the Repub front runners...
they're all playing on the same team...

I have yet to see RP's face on the cover of TIME

Not to mention UofC (althought, Nefertiti... to their credit).

angelatc
10-11-2007, 12:58 PM
Also, that site blows, and the "young and inexperienced" is the a horrible reason for trashing Obama. HIllary is a veteran, is very experienced - does that make her a good candidate?


If you count time spent in State politics, Obama actually has more time in various offices than HRC.

Bob Cochran
10-11-2007, 01:01 PM
If we are to believe that Ron Paul can win based on the amount of grassroots support he has, we have to believe that Obama will do the same.
This kind of comparison makes no sense!

Hope
10-11-2007, 01:05 PM
Grassroots support? What grassroots support? Oprah and her millionaire buddies don't count.

ThePieSwindler
10-11-2007, 01:10 PM
If you count time spent in State politics, Obama actually has more time in various offices than HRC.

I'm sure thats true, and thats fine, but that wasn't my point. My point was experience has nothing to do with what makes a good president. Id rather have an inept president who does nothing as long as he isnt an interventionist or a socialist and he leaves the economy and my liberties alone, than a president who is "powerful" and "experienced". Experience means nothing when the person is a statist, it jus means they will be more experienced at taking away our liberties and our money for their grand policies.

ThePieSwindler
10-11-2007, 01:11 PM
Grassroots support? What grassroots support? Oprah and her millionaire buddies don't count.

Grassroots as in, youll actually meet passionate Obama supporters on the street. Most Obama supporters are nowehere near as passionate or involved as the average Ron Paul supporter, of course, but compared to any other candidate besides Paul, he has significant grassroots backing.

Hope
10-11-2007, 01:15 PM
Grassroots as in, youll actually meet passionate Obama supporters on the street. Most Obama supporters are nowehere near as passionate or involved as the average Ron Paul supporter, of course, but compared to any other candidate besides Paul, he has significant grassroots backing.

No. I've met passionate people about Mitt, I've met passionate people about Rudy... That isn't what gives a candidate grassroots power.

The question is, how many Obama supporters have we seen holding signs by the interstate? How many handing out literature? How many forming campus clubs and going to meet up groups and posting handmade signs around their towns?

*crickets begin to chirp*

hummtide
10-11-2007, 01:45 PM
What is this, a message that hates Alabama?

unklejman
10-11-2007, 01:54 PM
What is this, a message that hates Alabama?

Ha ha, that crossed my mind as well.