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Elwar
05-11-2010, 12:25 PM
When giving her acceptance speech. Kagen referred to our form of government as a "Constitutional Democracy".

Was Jefferson wrong when he stated that we have a Republic (if you can keep it)?


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jackers
05-11-2010, 12:27 PM
That was actually Benjamin Franklin....

Matt Collins
05-11-2010, 12:37 PM
When giving her acceptance speech. Kagen referred to our form of government as a "Constitutional Democracy".

Do you have a link to this? :confused:


If this is true, that right there is enough reason to vote against her!

Elwar
05-11-2010, 01:13 PM
Do you have a link to this? :confused:


If this is true, that right there is enough reason to vote against her!

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/05/obama_nominates_elena_kagan_fo.html


During the last year, as I have served as solicitor general, my long-standing appreciation for the Supreme Court's role in our constitutional democracy has become ever deeper and richer.

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Cowlesy
05-11-2010, 01:14 PM
I think her and many other legal scholars realize that the republic the founder's created really doesn't exist anymore.

Old Ducker
05-11-2010, 02:25 PM
I think her and many other legal scholars realize that the republic the founder's created really doesn't exist anymore.

Exactly. People need to stop referring to this country as a republic. The US is no more a republic than the Titanic is an ocean liner.

Agorism
05-11-2010, 02:28 PM
"A republic government is a type of government where the citizens choose the leaders of their country"

Still fits the definition.

Keep on mind that the U.S. Constitution was the greatest expansion of government we've had. The metaphorical foot in the door for the government to start existing.

Linus
05-11-2010, 06:50 PM
"Keep on mind that the U.S. Constitution was the greatest expansion of government we've had. The metaphorical foot in the door for the government to start existing."

Really? What about the monarchy that it replaced?

Brian4Liberty
05-11-2010, 07:14 PM
Raised a communist. Politically a corporatist. Ideologically a neo-conservative.

She is the anti-Paul. She will support communist redistribution. She will support big government. She will back corrupt corporatists. She will oppose free speech. She will ignore the Bill of Rights in deference to "social justice" and the war on terror.

She is our worst nightmare. The next step on the road to Stalin's Russia.

Linus
05-11-2010, 07:22 PM
Raised a communist. Politically a corporatist. Ideologically a neo-conservative.

She is the anti-Paul. She will support communist redistribution. She will support big government. She will back corrupt corporatists. She will oppose free speech. She will ignore the Bill of Rights in deference to "social justice" and the war on terror.

She is our worst nightmare. The next step on the road to Stalin's Russia.


Okay, let's take it easy. Supreme Court nominations are always used to justify "Lesser Of Two Evils" crap. And I confess, the idea of Scalia, Thomas, Roberts or Alito retiring or dying before 2012 induces mild panic in me.

But we need to face reality: Kagan is nothing more than a typically unworthy "jurist" who has been raised like a damn veal calf for exactly such a Special Government Appointment as this.

The reality is that a SCOTUS comprised of nothing but Scalitos and Thobertses would not have brought us to a significantly different place as a country than where we are. Their decisions are tailored to serve the interests of wealthy Republicans, and not those of Reagan Democrats, paleo-conservatives, or libertarians.

Matt Collins
05-11-2010, 08:34 PM
Really? What about the monarchy that it replaced?
The Constitution didn't replace a monarchy, it replaces a loose group of nations under the Articles of Confederation.

Agorism
05-11-2010, 08:35 PM
Really? What about the monarchy that it replaced?


Articles of the Confederation.

Linus
05-11-2010, 10:18 PM
The Articles of Confederation were the last form of government that the Constitution replaced, but that's not what we were talking about, is it? You said:


"Keep on mind that the U.S. Constitution was the greatest expansion of government we've had. The metaphorical foot in the door for the government to start existing.

The "greatest expansion of government we'e had"? Who's "we"? If you're talking about the Union established by our current Constitution, then that's a meaningless and silly statement. If you mean "we" as in the country descended from British colonialism, then the British monarchy would be the "greatest expansion of government we've had," not the U.S. Constitution.