Trey Grayson wants to steal this election

[Sine Die]

Trey Grayson and his Washington buddies are out to steal this election away from Rand Paul. I've just learned that a group called the American Future Fund is dropping hundreds of thousands of dollars in television attack ads against Rand across Kentucky.

The ad basically calls Rand a cuckoo - see for yourself:

YouTube - American Future Fund (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FWlM-d3M94)

The American Freedom Fund counts among its leadership Larry McCarthy (Grayson's media consultant) and Jan Van Lohuizen (Grayson's pollster) (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93790064). So it's not really an independent effort.

It's time to get to work. We need to raise more money for Rand to counter this attack. We need to make phone calls, put up yard signs and knock on doors.

If we don't, Trey Grayson is going to steal this election.

[specsaregood]

Trey Grayson and his Washington buddies are out to steal this election away from Rand Paul. I've just learned that a group called the American Future Fund is dropping hundreds of thousands of dollars in television attack ads against Rand across Kentucky.


You mean like the previous attack ads that havent' made a dent in his lead?
Sorry but Dobson's ad, "The lied to me about Rand Paul" trumps their attack ads. It just makes the case for him even more.

[trey4sports]

dang, that's harsh

[Sine Die]

You mean like the previous attack ads that havent' made a dent in his lead?
Sorry but Dobson's ad, "The lied to me about Rand Paul" trumps their attack ads. It just makes the case for him even more.

They are spending 10x to 20x on this ad what was spent by Grayson. It is a MASSIVE amount of dollars they are putting behind this.

[specsaregood]

They are spending 10x to 20x on this ad what was spent by Grayson. It is a MASSIVE amount of dollars they are putting behind this.

Source? I still say, they can play it and we counter with Dobson saying, "they are liars". Who has more credibility?

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Assuming there is no actual voter fraud, they're not going to be able to flip a double-digit lead for Rand Paul in under two weeks. Let these repugnant types waste their money I say.


http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/06/1616525/poll-rand-paul-leading-grayson.html

"It's Paul's race to lose," Ali said. "Grayson's best hope is for Paul to self-destruct."

But I see Grayson is going the "oh look at my nice positive ad with McConnell" while having an obviously-allied "independent" group go nuclear for him route.

[jonathansloas]

They are spending 10x to 20x on this ad what was spent by Grayson. It is a MASSIVE amount of dollars they are putting behind this.

You obviously seem to have a some inside sources to information we don't have. How much are they spending? If we don't know the $$$ amount I don't believe we can know how to react to whether this is a big deal or not.

[Cardinal Red]

Those Washington insiders (as well as those in Kentucky) who are trying to undermine Rand through underhanded tactics should know that Rand's supporters have a *long* memory.

Elections have consequences:D

[Cowlesy]

AMERICAN FUTURE FUND POLITICAL ACTION

228 S WASHINGTON ST STE 115
ALEXANDRIA, VA 22314

Treasurer Name: Lisker, Lisa
Committee Designation: U (UNAUTHORIZED)
Committee Type: QUALIFIED NON-PARTY

This is a PAC run out of Washington D.C., funded predominantly by Iowans.

http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/com_ind/C00449926/

More on the Treasurer:


Lisa Lisker’s Experience

*
President
Huckaby Davis Lisker Inc.

(Partnership; 1-10 employees; Financial Services industry)

1988 — Present (22 years )

Political Financial Consulting and Compliance Work for Republican Candidates, National & State Party Committees, Political Action Committees.

[boat6868]

Grayson discussed "third party" advertisements during the Courier Journal interview I think. Based on his comments at that time this doesn't surprise me at all and the Grayson campaign has probably known it would be coming for a very long time. I am sure that Rand and David have been expecting it as well. I think Rand can beat the machine. Rand is a perfect candidate in my eyes. The machine is despicable and that is why people are tired of the same old politics as usual. It will make Rand's victory all the sweeter!

I mean these types of ads are ridiculous...Rand has the endorsement of some pretty serious minded people...and I'm sure the people of Kentucky will see through this nonsense.

[Matt Collins]

Ahh yes the good old 527 / swiftboating plan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiftboating


Coupled with FUD:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt


.

[Chieftain1776]

This is a big deal....that ad buy is HUGE.

[specsaregood]

This is a big deal....that ad buy is HUGE.

I must have missed it. Where is the source for the size of the ad buy?

[Cowlesy]

AMERICAN FUTURE FUND POLITICAL ACTION

228 S WASHINGTON ST STE 115
ALEXANDRIA, VA 22314

Treasurer Name: Lisker, Lisa
Committee Designation: U (UNAUTHORIZED)
Committee Type: QUALIFIED NON-PARTY

This is a PAC run out of Washington D.C., funded predominantly by Iowans.

http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/com_ind/C00449926/

More on the Treasurer:


Lisa Lisker’s Experience

*
President
Huckaby Davis Lisker Inc.

(Partnership; 1-10 employees; Financial Services industry)

1988 — Present (22 years )

Political Financial Consulting and Compliance Work for Republican Candidates, National & State Party Committees, Political Action Committees.

Building on this, bogus poll released today from American Future Fund: http://kypoliticalwatch.blogspot.com/2010/05/aff-releases-findings-of-kentucky.html?zx=b2347a2ed78c16bf

Spokesperson according to that link is "Nick Ryan" --- he's listed as an "Executive" of the "Concordia Group" on the FEC website.


http://concordiagroup.biz/index.html
Specializing in developing land throughout the Washington, DC area, The Concordia Group is an active participant in assembling, zoning and entitling real property that is necessary to produce housing, retail centers and mixed-use real estate developments for the expanding metropolitan area.

So a D.C. land developer with an Executive in Iowa is releasing attack ads and bogus polls for a U.S. Senate Race in Kentucky.

Is there any question that Trey Grayson is calling in favors from the D.C. Establishment?

[Chieftain1776]

I must have missed it. Where is the source for the size of the ad buy?

Only Sine Die but he knows his stuff.

[MRoCkEd]

Damnit...

[MRoCkEd]

C4L needs to get involved NOW with their own "educational" ads.

[Cowlesy]

Building on The American Future Fund

Leadership: Nicole Schlinger, Tim Albrecht, Lisa Lisker, Jan Van Lohuizen, Ed Tobin, Ben Ginsberg, Larry McCarthy, Phil Musser.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93790064

Edit: More on AFF

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/senate/a-new-player-in-the-soft-money.html

Edit: More on AFF

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/3/134856/5744/609/489579

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Did you read the OP? A third party is funding hundreds of thousands of attack ads! That's what we should be worried about!

I bet Paul already has his ad agency making a rapid response commercial.

[Cowlesy]

I bet Paul already has his ad agency making a rapid response commercial.

He basically already has an Ad in the D.C. Machine ad...he could sub-in 10 seconds about American Future Fund and be ready to rock.

[Cowlesy]

lordindra,

I split out your mommy posts into a separate thread to which the discussion can continue here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=243285

[lordindra3]

You guys are right, she keeps "winning" every time I get myself in a tissy over reading her worthless blog. I just peep over there every time big news like DeMint or Dobson happens. Then I end up reading something so outlandish that I want to break my computer screen and jimmy rig her wheel chair, lol... Ill stop it for now, my bad.


As for the 3rd party attack ads- Wow, they were right that there would be a scorched earth, do ANYTHING to win type campaign. Rand cannot NOT fight this. He needs to run like hes 10pnts behind.

[Chieftain1776]

He basically already has an Ad in the D.C. Machine ad...he could sub-in 10 seconds about American Future Fund and be ready to rock.

Honestly I think exposing what they did to Dobson is the most effective. They should send out mailers too. But we need to raise more money. I think as long as the Dobson ad makes it in regular rotation it should be alright.

I remember listening to political ads in really heavy rotation and hating the politician who made the ad. Rand doesn't need to match them dollar for dollar in TV ads but he should get out a mailer debunking their b.s. and exposing how they are desperate enough to lie to someone like Dobson.

YouTube - Rand Paul -- My Kind of Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00hfJ2980IA)

[Inflation]

This Mitt Romney tool smells like Astroturf.

Ya'll know what to do -

http://avatarfarm.com/avatarimages/simpsons/releasethehounds.jpg


The organization is led by professionals who worked for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney's failed 2008 bid for the Republican presidential nomination, among other efforts. Since the positive Coleman ad, other American Future Fund ads have portrayed Democratic politicians negatively.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93790064



In March, an ad run by AFF in the race between Democrat Al Franken and Republican Sen. Norm Coleman for Minnesota’s U.S. Senate seat caused the state’s Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party to file a formal complaint with the FEC alleging that the group violated federal election law and that its ads constitute blatant electoral advocacy.

“The American Future Fund is a shadowy nonprofit organization,” the complaint said. “It purports to be exempt from tax under section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code. But its notion of ‘promoting the social welfare’ is to send valentines to electorally troubled Republican Senate candidates. The Commission should take immediate steps to enforce the law and expose this group’s secret financing to light of day.”

http://iowaindependent.com/4203/secrets-of-the-american-future-fund

[specsaregood]

Building on The American Future Fund

Leadership: Nicole Schlinger, Tim Albrecht, Lisa Lisker, Jan Van Lohuizen, Ed Tobin, Ben Ginsberg, Larry McCarthy, Phil Musser.

Ya know, maybe its time to go directly after these people and their personal lives with our own grassroots campaigns. Expose them.

[DeadheadForPaul]

we knew it'd get dirty

here it goes

The establishment sees this election is a big deal. With Rand in the Senate, they'd get called out 24/7

[cmasslibertarian]

Did somebody post a link to verify the size of this buy yet?

[Michigan11]

Ya know, maybe its time to go directly after these people and their personal lives with our own grassroots campaigns. Expose them.

Great idea.

[DeadheadForPaul]

Did somebody post a link to verify the size of this buy yet?

it's REALLY bad news if it's in the hundreds of thousands

[sailingaway]

C4L needs to get involved NOW with their own "educational" ads.

Or we do. Remember High Tide?

[KanTuck22]

http://iowaindependent.com/4203/secrets-of-the-american-future-fund

[skyorbit]

Assuming there is no actual voter fraud, they're not going to be able to flip a double-digit lead for Rand Paul in under two weeks. Let these repugnant types waste their money I say.



But I see Grayson is going the "oh look at my nice positive ad with McConnell" while having an obviously-allied "independent" group go nuclear for him route.

A 20% lead can disappear overnight. We need to hit back with everything we've got.

Tracy

[sailingaway]

Sanders is selling out on the audit language it may even make things worse. Huff po is clueless because Sanders is bragging as if it is really great.

YouTube - Sanders Amendment Update (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7II2diHymv4&feature=player_embedded)


From Ron Paul's Facebook:

Bernie Sanders has sold out and has sided with Chris Dodd to gut Audit the Fed in the Senate. His "compromise" is what the Administration and banking interests want - they'll allow the TARP and TALF to be audited, but no transparency of monetary policy decisions,discount window operations or agreement with foreign central banks. We need to take aciton and stop this!


The amendment limits the audit only to emergency lending, the GAO would be barred from looking at the Fed's foreign central bank swaps and its purchasing of mortgage debt from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which is considered part of open market operations and not emergency lending.

A copy of the modifications was not immediately available. (from)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/06/fed-audit-amendment-deal_n_566661.html

since then Huff po was asking for comments from 'anyone who sees gaps' in the language which they have posted, but I can't log there (tried to set up an acct but it didn't work). Senate may vote tomorrow.

Sorry this is off topic but no one is looking at the audit the fed thread on here.

Crud, I meant to make this a separate thread. I will if it isn't picked up. I think it should be at the top of the page with the call for Rand's volunteers.

[rprprs]

A 20% lead can disappear overnight. We need to hit back with everything we've got.

Tracy

This simply can't be emphasized enough. Unbridled optimism and over-confidence is now our biggest enemy. Attacks in these final days are going to be ruthless and relentless. And the only way to fight back is with boots on the ground and full coffers to fund our own media efforts. Unless it's good enough for you to be in the forums on the 19th bemoaning how Grayson stole the election, do not take a win for granted.

[Fozz]

This simply can't be emphasized enough. Unbridled optimism and over-confidence is now our biggest enemy. Attacks in these final days are going to be ruthless and relentless. And the only way to fight back is with boots on the ground and full coffers to fund our own media efforts. Unless it's good enough for you to be in the forums on the 19th bemoaning how Grayson stole the election, do not take a win for granted.

This

[Matt Collins]

A 20% lead can disappear overnight. We need to hit back with everything we've got.

Tracy
Rand's lead is much less than 20%!!!

He is only leading by about 10% give or take. And remember that 17% of likely voters are STILL undecided.

[Matt Collins]

http://iowaindependent.com/4203/secrets-of-the-american-future-fund (http://iowaindependent.com/4203/secrets-of-the-american-future-fund)
Same people who swiftboated John Kerry.

[boat6868]

I'd like to see an ad with Rand sitting at the kitchen table saying something like...I have been endorsed by serioius minded people like Palin, DeMint, Dobson, Bunning, and Forbes who have looked at my background and thought that having me in the Senate would help move the country forward in a responsible manner. In spite of this my opponents and his politics as usual allies appear to be willing to continue to lie about me and my positions all the way through election day in a desparate attempt to cling to the status quo.

But apparently that type of commercial does not work in elections since I have never seen one like it...so

as an alternative, since Trey and his team have no honor, the campaign should treat this like the STREET FIGHT that it is...facts are not an issue...the only thing that matters is someone is going to win and someone is going to lose. I mean this is la la land here...they are just making shit up.

I am taking NOTHING for granted...but that the opposition is such a dirtbag will make victory all the sweeter!!

[Fozz]

Rand's lead is much less than 20%!!!

He is only leading by about 10% give or take. And remember that 17% of likely voters are STILL undecided.

Is that an assumption based on the McConnell/Rogers endorsement and the swiftboat attacks?

[Distinguished Gentleman]

That group is an "issues" group and can't legally promote candidates. They classify this way to avoid taxes and to avoid disclosing their donors. What a strange thing that an organization devoted to "free market" principles is spending big money to take down Paul. I'm jumping to conclusions, but It wouldn't surprise me if the Kochtopus was funding this.

[runningdiz]

Does anyone have a source as to how big of an ad by this is?

[Magnet]

Trey's name will live in infamy and shame.

But rest assured, friends, none of this little nonsense will put a dent in Rand. He's going to mop the fucking floor with this piece of shit Grayson.

[sb10]

I would most definitely *not* tout Sarah Palin's endorsement. She screwed up and got it completely wrong endorsing Carly Fiorina in California.

Sarah is a hanger-on, a shill for neo-con John McCain. She strikes me as a chorus girl with her ear to the radio singing the top-40 populist songs.

[TruthisTreason]

I would most definitely *not* tout Sarah Palin's endorsement.

You don't live in Kentucky, do you? :D


She has lead several polls as the most popular candidate for President in Kentucky.

[Matt Collins]

Is that an assumption based on the McConnell/Rogers endorsement and the swiftboat attacks?
No, what I said previously is most definitely NOT an assumption.


Trey's name will live in infamy and shame.
You don't understand how swiftboating works do you?

1) Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiftboating

2) The beauty of it is that it increases Rand's negatives while not associating the negative attacks with Trey.

[MRoCkEd]

I would most definitely *not* tout Sarah Palin's endorsement.
I would tout her everyday, all day.

[skyorbit]

The point is, a good machine can overcome a 17% lead pretty quickly. So, we need our own machine, and the people in Kentucky need to be going harder then they've ever gone.

Tracy

[itshappening]

Truth, what ads are running for Rand in Kentucky right now? Dobson, Palin and Bunning? all the way to election day ?

[TruthisTreason]

Truth, what ads are running for Rand in Kentucky right now? Dobson, Palin and Bunning? all the way to election day ?

The only ad that is running in my area is Dobson.

And Trey is running his Mitch ad.


Close to even in number of plays.... Trey and Mitch might run one or two more a day but it's close.

[sb10]

You don't live in Kentucky, do you? :D


She has lead several polls as the most popular candidate for President in Kentucky.

You are right, I don't live in Kentucky.

And if she is the presidential favorite, that is very bad news over the long run.

[Fozz]

No, what I said previously is most definitely NOT an assumption.


Then where do you get the number from?

[DeadheadForPaul]

Then where do you get the number from?

+1. I would like to see facts about how big that ad buy is

[erowe1]

Just judging from the ad itself, it doesn't look to me like it has the potential to hurt Rand much. It just recycles things everybody already knows, and it doesn't even come close to making a case that Rand is cuckoo, even from a typical Republican primary voter's perspective. If those quotes are the best ammo they have, then they've got nothing. This doesn't compare in effectiveness with the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ads.

[PermanentSleep]

Volunteering with the campaign every day, starting tomorrow. We didn't go down without a fight in the Presidential Primary, and we sure as hell aren't going to start now. Time to put the game faces on boys and girls.

[TruthisTreason]

just judging from the ad itself, it doesn't look to me like it has the potential to hurt rand much. It just recycles things everybody already knows, and it doesn't even come close to making a case that rand is cuckoo, even from a typical republican primary voter's perspective. if those quotes are the best ammo they have, then they've got nothing. this doesn't compare in effectiveness with the swift boat veterans for truth ads.

+2010

[sailingaway]

No, what I said previously is most definitely NOT an assumption.


You don't understand how swiftboating works do you?

1) Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiftboating

2) The beauty of it is that it increases Rand's negatives while not associating the negative attacks with Trey.


So we have to point out to all and sundry the overlap between the people putting out these ads and Trey's campaign.

[Justinjj1]

"our national security is not threatened by Iran having one nuclear weapon"

FINALLY I hear Rand say something that I completely agree with. And if the people of Kentucky are not complete and total morons, then they will agree as well.

[Fozz]

Just judging from the ad itself, it doesn't look to me like it has the potential to hurt Rand much. It just recycles things everybody already knows, and it doesn't even come close to making a case that Rand is cuckoo, even from a typical Republican primary voter's perspective. If those quotes are the best ammo they have, then they've got nothing. This doesn't compare in effectiveness with the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ads.

This ad is a lot more hard hitting than any of Treyson's ads, in my opinion. Not only that, but there is also the tremendous airplay that it will get, and I think it could turn around some Rand voters, not many, but some.

The undecided voters will definitely see this, and it will not look good for Rand.

[obijuan]

Volunteering with the campaign every day, starting tomorrow. We didn't go down without a fight in the Presidential Primary, and we sure as hell aren't going to start now. Time to put the game faces on boys and girls.

Just got in touch with the campaign...looks like I'll be checking out a precinct* and putting up signs on the 18th, and making calls until then.

I've never even given money to a campaign until Rand's...I'm pretty excited. Let's win this thing!

*Edit: By that I mean checking vote totals...

[John Taylor]

This ad is a lot more hard hitting than any of Treyson's ads, in my opinion. Not only that, but there is also the tremendous airplay that it will get, and I think it could turn around some Rand voters, not many, but some.

The undecided voters will definitely see this, and it will not look good for Rand.

Yes, unfortunately true, if only because of the size of the buy. We need to enable Rand to match these guys ad for ad, so he's going to need another hundred thousand, as quickly as possible.

[Fozz]

We need Sarah Palin ASAP!!! Maybe Facebook her?

[sb10]

I would tout her everyday, all day.

I will *never* support a candidate who was running mate for another candidate who flip-flopped to screw Rand's father in the California primary.

When it comes to politics, I hold grudges and I remember who's got a backbone.

[obijuan]

I will *never* support a candidate who was running mate for another candidate who flip-flopped to screw Rand's father in the California primary.

When it comes to politics, I hold grudges and I remember who's got a backbone.

Tout != support. Rand is going for the win as much as he is trying to make his point.

[KanTuck22]

An appropriate song as we are getting backed into a corner......

YouTube - "I'd Love to Knock the Hell out of you!" (Hank Williams Jr ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15OIH7GHzoM)