View Full Version : Cops too lazy to chase teenager @ baseball game - so they tazer him!
Matt Collins
05-05-2010, 03:54 PM
Even FoxNews was covering this...
Some kid jumped onto a game in Philadelphia and the cops couldn't keep up with him so they just tazered him instead. They would've subdue'd him eventually but there was NO NEED to tazer him with semi-lethal force! :mad::mad::mad:
YouTube - Teenage fan tasered at US baseball game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW6-jwh9xd0)
Live_Free_Or_Die
05-05-2010, 04:00 PM
I hope he had ID :rolleyes:
Danke
05-05-2010, 04:07 PM
A few more feet and he would have been out of range of the Taser. Then they'd have to get the real guns out.
Frickin' teenagers!
ItsTime
05-05-2010, 04:08 PM
And all the sheep stood there and did nothing.
Petar
05-05-2010, 04:17 PM
And all the sheep stood there and did nothing.
Yeah right, what would have you done?
Become the second moron to get tazed?
That would have been hilarious.
KramerDSP
05-05-2010, 04:55 PM
Yeah right, what would have you done?
Become the second moron to get tazed?
That would have been hilarious.
I was born and raised in Philly before relocating to Florida and remain a diehard fan of all four professional teams there. There was another guy who tried this at the next game, but no cops went after him, nor was a taser involved. This guy had marijuana in his pocket and apparently had tweeted that he would be "on TV" shortly before running onto the field. Very dumb. Some fans chanted "tase him", while most others booed (gotta love Philly) and threw trash at him as he was escorted out of the park. The thing is, this guy did this during a 1-0 game that was entering the 9'th inning. Our pitcher, Hamels, got rattled by the interruption presented by the fan, and it threw him off. Luckily, we still won in extra innings.
I say just employ a lifetime ban and a $10,000 fine for running on the field during a game. That would send a message very quickly.
Jordan
05-05-2010, 04:57 PM
Big deal, the kid is an idiot.
dannno
05-05-2010, 05:02 PM
I say just employ a lifetime ban and a $10,000 fine for running on the field during a game. That would send a message very quickly.
:eek:
Holy shit, if you can do that then I'm going to open a restaurant a charge a $100,000 fine every time somebody picks up a fork :D
KramerDSP
05-05-2010, 05:10 PM
:eek:
Holy shit, if you can do that then I'm going to open a restaurant a charge a $100,000 fine every time somebody picks up a fork :D
:D In all seriousness, a ticket to a professional sporting event does not give one the right to intercede in the proceedings, even if I agree that the use of a taser was highly inappropriate. If there was a $10,000 fine instituted by MLB along with a lifetime ban, that would really go a long way towards reducing the number of folks running onto the field.
Let's make an exception for Morganna the kissing bandit, however. :D
Live_Free_Or_Die
05-05-2010, 05:34 PM
:D In all seriousness, a ticket to a professional sporting event does not give one the right to intercede in the proceedings, even if I agree that the use of a taser was highly inappropriate. If there was a $10,000 fine instituted by MLB along with a lifetime ban, that would really go a long way towards reducing the number of folks running onto the field.
Let's make an exception for Morganna the kissing bandit, however. :D
I would support your right to trespass but oppose your fine. I would support your pursuit of civil penalties against the teen and parents if a jury awarded it. I would support fans for criticizing you if you did.
MsDoodahs
05-05-2010, 06:06 PM
hmmmm....
there is a definite difference in reaction...
YouTube - Guards that Beat Fan are then Beaten by More Fans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1K3tJEqphs)
MN Patriot
05-05-2010, 06:50 PM
Since when has the libertarian position been: "let anybody disrupt a public event"?
When I pay money for a public event, I don't want to see morons running around the field. Tazing this idiot sets an example for all the other idiots who want their 10 seconds of fame. Maybe the players should be given free reign to chase him down with their bats and break his legs.
When I see posts like this disparaging the cops, I get disillusioned with people in the liberty movement. Freedom does not equal lack of respect for others.
sofia
05-05-2010, 07:31 PM
if that kid had been on speed...or had an irregular heart issue.....a taser shot could be fatal.
cops were given tasers to use against a potentially dangerous felon so they wouldn't have to engage him physicaly or have to shoot him with bullets.
this jerkoff should be kicked off force...as well as higher ups who authorize tasers on harmless idiots like this kid.
I have no problem with cops roughing him up a bit...kicking him in the ass....dragging him by his hair etc.....
....but these tasers can be dangerous and should be used sparingly
KramerDSP
05-05-2010, 07:45 PM
hmmmm....
there is a definite difference in reaction...
YouTube - Guards that Beat Fan are then Beaten by More Fans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1K3tJEqphs)
:eek: WOW!
Vessol
05-05-2010, 08:20 PM
Fat ass pigs can't keep up with some kid, so they tazer him. Is how this thread should be read..Everyone cheers and loves it, power to the Police State!
reardenstone
05-05-2010, 08:21 PM
Since when has the libertarian position been: "let anybody disrupt a public event"?
When I pay money for a public event, I don't want to see morons running around the field. Tazing this idiot sets an example for all the other idiots who want their 10 seconds of fame. Maybe the players should be given free reign to chase him down with their bats and break his legs.
When I see posts like this disparaging the cops, I get disillusioned with people in the liberty movement. Freedom does not equal lack of respect for others.
The free market approach is to let society chastise him or heckle him.
The statist position is to allow the monopoly on force to use unnecessary force on someone who was really not harming anyone.
Should cops beat and taser drunks because they get on peoples nerves in restaurants or at concerts?
rawful
05-05-2010, 10:13 PM
I was at the game. Most people there, including myself, didn't even realize that he was tasered until afterwards. He had plenty of time to "be a threat", but he was just running around harmlessly. He would have been tackled 5 seconds later had the cop not done it.
BlackTerrel
05-05-2010, 10:15 PM
if that kid had been on speed...or had an irregular heart issue.....a taser shot could be fatal.
Here's a piece of advice for people with irregular heart beats - don't illegally run on the field during a baseball game.
rawful
05-05-2010, 10:31 PM
BTW, the team has decided that police officers will no longer be used to catch field jumpers. Stadium security will do it the old fashioned way.
jack555
05-05-2010, 10:51 PM
:D In all seriousness, a ticket to a professional sporting event does not give one the right to intercede in the proceedings, even if I agree that the use of a taser was highly inappropriate. If there was a $10,000 fine instituted by MLB along with a lifetime ban, that would really go a long way towards reducing the number of folks running onto the field.
Let's make an exception for Morganna the kissing bandit, however. :D
I highly doubt a baseball league (company) has the right/ability to fine someone for anything. They could sue him for damages theoretically. Your lack of common sense on this disturbs me.
This is a major problem we have in America where people can not distinguish government from business.
It is like yelling you have free speech to a private security guard while being escorted off private property. It doesn't make any sense. You do not have free speech on private property (meaning they can ask you to leave because of your speech).
Matt Collins
05-05-2010, 11:07 PM
Big deal, the kid is an idiot.I agree. And he deserved to be apprehended, handcuffed, and hauld off to jail on a misdemeanor. He does not however deserved to be tazered because the cop was to lazy to catch up with him. :mad:
Matt Collins
05-05-2010, 11:11 PM
Since when has the libertarian position been: "let anybody disrupt a public event"?I don't think anyone is arguing that. The guy should've been tackled and apprehended. But using semi-lethal force against him was out of bounds.
Why didn't they just chase him down and toss him out of the stadium? I guess cause they were trigger happy as usual.
As far as all the cop worshipers - the cops are why we're in this mess - the politicians laws would be meaningless without these dirty pigs enforcing them.
Dreamofunity
05-06-2010, 12:09 AM
Fat ass pigs can't keep up with some kid, so they tazer him. Is how this thread should be read..Everyone cheers and loves it, power to the Police State!
This is how I heard of it reported. Listening to the radio this morning they were talking about how the cop was too overweight and out of shape to keep up so he tasered him. Seems about accurate given the video tape.
jbuttell
05-06-2010, 12:34 AM
Yeah, the kid doesn't seem too bright, but imagine if he fell and broke his neck due to the security guy being trigger happy. Perhaps at that point they might reconsider how necessary it was to blast him with lightning.
Matt Collins
05-06-2010, 09:15 AM
hmmmm....
there is a definite difference in reaction...
YouTube - Guards that Beat Fan are then Beaten by More Fans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1K3tJEqphs)
Reminds me of the quote "when the people fear the government there is tyranny. When the government fears the people there is liberty" :p
Krugerrand
05-06-2010, 09:58 AM
I highly doubt a baseball league (company) has the right/ability to fine someone for anything. They could sue him for damages theoretically. Your lack of common sense on this disturbs me.
This is a major problem we have in America where people can not distinguish government from business.
It is like yelling you have free speech to a private security guard while being escorted off private property. It doesn't make any sense. You do not have free speech on private property (meaning they can ask you to leave because of your speech).
They could put it in the contract of the ticket purchase.
sratiug
05-06-2010, 11:43 AM
Here's a piece of advice for people with irregular heart beats - don't illegally run on the field during a baseball game.
How about playing in a city park built with his tax money, after he makes another donation by buying a ticket? I guess he didn't like his assigned seat and went all Roa Parks on them.
Romulus
05-06-2010, 12:02 PM
Reminds me of the quote "when the people fear the government there is tyranny. When the government fears the people there is liberty" :p
It only took one player to kick that cop off that guy.. the rest of the them, then the crowd stoop up. Props to them!
fisharmor
05-06-2010, 12:08 PM
hmmmm....
there is a definite difference in reaction...
YouTube - Guards that Beat Fan are then Beaten by More Fans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1K3tJEqphs)
Wow, a video of cops getting 25% of what they had coming to them!
GBurr
05-06-2010, 03:42 PM
Last time I checked a ball field is private property. If the property owner feels the need to use a taser to apprehend a trespasser then it seems perfectly fine to me especially considering the intentions of the trespasser is unknown. I'm usually one the first people to get pissed about police and their use of force but in this instance private property makes all the difference.
Lets not forget this http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/news/2002/09/19/royals_whitesox_ap/
YouTube - Still Doing His Job (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG8nYtDkkqE)
KramerDSP
05-06-2010, 03:53 PM
They could put it in the contract of the ticket purchase.
I was thinking the exact same thing. "If you run on the field during the game, there will be a 10 year ban enacted that forbids you from attending any MLB events in this stadium during that time. Also, we will pursue damages up to the amount of $________ as we see relevant in a civil courtroom".
Or something like that.
KramerDSP
05-06-2010, 03:57 PM
How about playing in a city park built with his tax money, after he makes another donation by buying a ticket? I guess he didn't like his assigned seat and went all Roa Parks on them.
Oh, come on. It's a 17 year old kid that asked his dad if he could run onto the field for the hell of it. Dad told him "it probably isn't a good idea". The kid ran anyway. I highly doubt he was thinking "those son of a bitches tax me to death everyday, and I frigging paid for my seat, so I have the right to run onto the field and wreck havoc on a professional baseball game". No. He was thinking about his Bucket List and nothing else.
Today I talked about this event with my brother and Dad and both of them said "well, he shouldn't have been on the field".
I'm now starting to hope that TSHTF just to prove my point after all of these years trying to undo the brainwashing.
Ugh.
tpreitzel
05-09-2010, 07:21 PM
Article refers to the incident in the OP of this thread:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1275641/Police-Taser-drunk-fan-heckled-Tiger-Woods-golf-tournament.html - I wonder if the fan hit Woods with a golf ball to justify being tazered...
Since cops obviously prefer zapping someone rather than soiling their uniforms, what defenses exist against Tazers?
Linus
05-09-2010, 07:25 PM
Hey, you gotta admit, in the midst of an economic depression, these kids get pretty quick and wiry. Who's gonna chase 'em?
MN Patriot
05-09-2010, 08:31 PM
I don't think anyone is arguing that. The guy should've been tackled and apprehended. But using semi-lethal force against him was out of bounds.
Tackling someone could be "semi-lethal". What if he was tackled and he broke his neck? Any physical act to apprehend him could be lethal.
Maybe a big butterfly net, or the sticky foam weapons of the future that will immobilize people and not kill them. Boy, that would be fun to watch. To hell with baseball, just start a new sport where anybody could run around and try to evade the authorities with their liberal non-lethal inventions.
paulitics
05-09-2010, 08:42 PM
Last time I checked a ball field is private property. If the property owner feels the need to use a taser to apprehend a trespasser then it seems perfectly fine to me especially considering the intentions of the trespasser is unknown. I'm usually one the first people to get pissed about police and their use of force but in this instance private property makes all the difference.
Lets not forget this http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/news/2002/09/19/royals_whitesox_ap/
YouTube - Still Doing His Job (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG8nYtDkkqE)
Why should public security(the cops) be the ones to defend private property?
What's next? Cops in every mall, defending someone's private property with our public money?
If they want to hire their own security force, than fine, but when they get sued for unnecessary force, they shouldn't be surprised.
paulitics
05-09-2010, 08:48 PM
I agree. And he deserved to be apprehended, handcuffed, and hauld off to jail on a misdemeanor. He does not however deserved to be tazered because the cop was to lazy to catch up with him. :mad:
Jail? it's a sporting event. It's friggin entertainmnet.
The worst that should have happened, is he should have been escorted out of the arena, and then banned from any future event there if the owners feel necessary. Let the owners decide what to do with the kid. Let them take him to court for damages if he cost them money during the game. The cops shouldn't even be involved. This is insane.
JeNNiF00F00
05-09-2010, 09:20 PM
This is so stupid. The kid was out there having fun. People do it all the time. If I would have seen this I would have laughed. It takes up a minute of the game, its extra entertainment, and people should get a rise off of watching these idiots running around being chased by "authorities", instead of "tase him". WTF is wrong with people??
silus
05-09-2010, 09:40 PM
And all the sheep stood there and did nothing.
Still waiting to hear what you would have done, sheep.
This is so stupid. The kid was out there having fun. People do it all the time. If I would have seen this I would have laughed. It takes up a minute of the game, its extra entertainment, and people should get a rise off of watching these idiots running around being chased by "authorities", instead of "tase him". WTF is wrong with people??
Say that to the MLB player who took off like a scared child once this kid started moving in his direction. I don't really know what to think of this, but I think people should have enough sense to understand how unpredictable situations like this can be, so assuming we know whats going on at a distance is kind of disrespectful to the people who are actually on the field and want this type of thing dealt with harshly.
YouTube - Still Doing His Job (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG8nYtDkkqE) If what occurs at 1:07 happened the day before you think people would view this any different (principally speaking, not emotionally)?
YouTube - Still Doing His Job (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG8nYtDkkqE) If what occurs at 1:07 happened the day before you think people would view this any different (principally speaking, not emotionally)?
Apples and oranges, apples and oranges.
silus
05-09-2010, 10:37 PM
Nope, you're wrong. Same deal.
JeNNiF00F00
05-09-2010, 11:12 PM
Still waiting to hear what you would have done, sheep.
Say that to the MLB player who took off like a scared child once this kid started moving in his direction. I don't really know what to think of this, but I think people should have enough sense to understand how unpredictable situations like this can be, so assuming we know whats going on at a distance is kind of disrespectful to the people who are actually on the field and want this type of thing dealt with harshly.
YouTube - Still Doing His Job (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG8nYtDkkqE) If what occurs at 1:07 happened the day before you think people would view this any different (principally speaking, not emotionally)?
lol thats stupid. Big ole baseball player with muscles, trained, fit running from some skinny little punk kid thats making an ass of himself. People live in too much fear, and some even think they are special enough to be harmed by some crazed fan. Whateverrrrrr Perhaps the ball players should be replaced.
No1ButPaul08
05-09-2010, 11:14 PM
lol thats stupid. Big ole baseball player with muscles, trained, fit running from some skinny little punk kid thats making an ass of himself. People live in too much fear, and some even think they are special enough to be harmed by some crazed fan. Whateverrrrrr Perhaps the ball players should be replaced.
This is complete nonsense. Who knows if the kid had a knife like the guy who stabbed Monica Seles. Or an accomplice like the pair who attacked Tom Gamboa. Why should the player put himself in the line of fire when there is paid security whose job is to do just that. I'm pretty sure players are told to stay away from crazed fans on the field, unless of course the fan attacks.
Nope, you're wrong. Same deal.
Guy running vs guys punching. What was I thinking, you're right I am so wrong. Absolutely the same thing.:rolleyes:
JeNNiF00F00
05-09-2010, 11:19 PM
This is complete nonsense. Who knows if the kid had a knife like the guy who stabbed Monica Seles. Or an accomplice like the pair who attacked Tom Gamboa. Why should the player put himself in the line of fire when there is paid security whose job is to do just that. I'm pretty sure players are told to stay away from crazed fans on the field, unless of course the fan attacks.
Perhaps we should just close all the sports arenas down anyways. They distract everyone from the important things.
silus
05-09-2010, 11:27 PM
Guy running vs guys punching.
The point for us mortals is that with a person like that on the field you aren't certain of the intent or the possible outcome. Should officials wait a minute after the kid is on the field to see if he's just going to run around or do something else? Your logic is piss poor monday morning quarterbacking. You are the type of person that waits until its too late. Please focus on the principle here.
The point for us mortals is that with a person like that on the field you aren't certain of the intent or the possible outcome. Should officials wait a minute after the kid is on the field to see if he's just going to run around or do something else? Your logic is piss poor monday morning quarterbacking. You are the type of person that waits until its too late. Please focus on the principle here.
So you advocate sacrificing liberty for safety?
http://www.stephenrahn.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/applause.gif
The principle is that you are afraid. I am not.
No1ButPaul08
05-09-2010, 11:38 PM
Perhaps we should just close all the sports arenas down anyways. They distract everyone from the important things.
More important things like Avatar?
ME toooooo! I loved this movie! Definitey will buy it on DVD when it comes out.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2488329&postcount=65
No1ButPaul08
05-09-2010, 11:45 PM
So you advocate sacrificing liberty for safety?
What liberty does the kid have when he is trespassing on others property rights?
Jordan
05-10-2010, 12:21 AM
I agree. And he deserved to be apprehended, handcuffed, and hauld off to jail on a misdemeanor. He does not however deserved to be tazered because the cop was to lazy to catch up with him. :mad:
Meh. Getting tasered because you ask an officer why you're being arrested is one thing. Getting tasered because you run on a field just to incite a problem is another.
I'm quick to complain about cops. But hell, I'm not too sure who was the bigger idiot here.
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