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pcosmar
05-05-2010, 08:11 AM
I am posting in General for views. I will also post in Bearing Arms.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2506926/posts
Terrorists and Guns: The Nature of the Threat and Proposed Reforms

Wednesday, May 5, 2010
10:00 AM
Dirksen Senate Office Building, room 342

Panel 1


The Honorable Frank R. Lautenberg
U.S. Senate

The Honorable Peter T. King
U.S. House of Representatives

The Honorable Michael R. Bloomberg
Mayor
City of New York


The Honorable Raymond W. Kelly
Police Commissioner
City of New York

Panel 2


Daniel D. Roberts


Assistant Director, Criminal Justice Information Services Division, Federal Bureau of Investigation
U.S. Department of Justice

Eileen R. Larence


Director, Homeland Security and Justice
U.S. Government Accountability Office


Sandy Jo MacArthur


Assistant Chief, Office of Administrative Services
Los Angeles Police Department


Aaron Titus


Privacy Director
Liberty Coalition

Background information:

In February 2004, then Attorney General Alberto Gonzales directed the Department of Justice (DOJ) Office of Legal Policy (OLP) to form a working group to review federal firearms and explosives laws*particularly in regard to NICS background checks*to determine whether additional authority should be sought from Congress to prevent firearms and explosives transfers to known and suspected terrorists. In the 111th Congress, Senator Frank Lautenberg and Representative Peter King have reintroduced a bill (S. 1317/H.R. 2159) that would authorize the Attorney General to deny the transfer of firearms or the issuance of firearms and explosives licenses to known or suspected terrorists. This bill reportedly reflects a legislative proposal developed by DOJ.

In general, this bill would amend the Gun Control Act (GCA) to grant the Attorney General the discretionary authority to deny a firearm transfer or state-issued firearms permit to any prospective transferee or permittee through Brady background checks, if the Attorney General determines that the prospective transferee is known (or appropriately suspected) to be or to have been engaged in conduct constituting, preparation for, in aid of, or related to terrorism, or providing material support or resources for terrorism, and has a reasonable belief that the prospective transferee may use the firearm in connection with terrorism (proposed 18 U.S.C. §§ 922A and B). The bill would make similar amendments to the provisions of the GCA governing the processes by which federal firearms dealer licenses are issued and revoked (18 U.S.C. §§ 923(d) and (e)).

The bill would also amend the GCA provision (18 U.S.C. § 922(g)) that enumerates several classes of persons who are prohibited from shipping, transporting, possessing, or receiving a firearm or ammunition, so that it would include persons who were the subject of terrorism-related determinations (described above). The bill would amend the GCA provision (18 U.S.C. § 922(d)) that prohibits any person from transferring a firearm to any prohibited person to include any person who was the subject of a terrorism-related determination as well. In addition, the bill would amend the NICS background check provisions (18 U.S.C. § 922(t)) to reflect that the Attorney General would have this new discretionary authority under the proposed 18 U.S.C. §§ 922A and B.

With regard to NICS denials of firearms transfers or state-issued firearms permits based upon terrorist watch list hits and subsequent determinations by the Attorney General, the bill would amend the Brady Act (P.L. 103-159) to allow a denied prospective transferee to request from the Attorney General the reasons for the denial, but it would also give the Attorney General the authority to withhold those reasons if he determines that such a disclosure would compromise national security. The bill would make a similar amendment to the Brady Act in regard to correction of erroneous information.

Furthermore, the bill would amend the GCA provision that addresses erroneous denials (18 U.S.C. § 925A), to allow any person denied a firearms-related transfer or permit to challenge that determination in U.S. court within 60 days of that determination. This proposed amendment would require the court to sustain the Attorney General’s determination upon a showing by the U.S. Government a preponderance of evidence standard that the determination satisfied the proposed provisions described above (18 U.S.C. §§ 922A and B). The proposed amendment would also allow the court to rely upon summaries or redacted versions of documents underlying those determinations, if those documents contained information that could compromise national security, but it would also allow a court to review the full, undisclosed documents ex parte and in camera at the court’s option or on the motion of the petitioner (denied person). The proposed amendment would also allow the court to determine whether the summaries or redacted versions of the documents were fair and accurate representations of the underlying documents; however, it would not allow the court to overturn the Attorney General’s determination based on the full and un-redacted documents.

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Hearings.Hearing&Hearing_id=a6061b56-3636-4fac-8446-b3c0dd65d02d

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BuddyRey
05-05-2010, 08:28 AM
After decades and decades of laughably ineffectual legislation, this is going to be the one law that finally ends all gun violence, right?

...Right?

Southron
05-05-2010, 08:33 AM
After decades and decades of laughably ineffectual legislation, this is going to be the one law that finally ends all gun violence, right?

...Right?

I'm more afraid of the federal government owning firearms.

DamianTV
05-05-2010, 10:04 AM
The entire point of the 2nd Amendment was that the government would fear the people.


Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."

- George Washington

Philhelm
05-05-2010, 10:38 AM
With regard to NICS denials of firearms transfers or state-issued firearms permits based upon terrorist watch list hits and subsequent determinations by the Attorney General, the bill would amend the Brady Act (P.L. 103-159) to allow a denied prospective transferee to request from the Attorney General the reasons for the denial, but it would also give the Attorney General the authority to withhold those reasons if he determines that such a disclosure would compromise national security.

This is the big one. Any U.S. citizen could be disallowed, without any reason given whatsoever. It's a good thing people stockpile weapons. :D

dannno
05-05-2010, 10:46 AM
This is the "solution" part in the phrase "Problem, Reaction, Solution"

Anti Federalist
05-05-2010, 11:02 AM
Well, what next people?

They can put you on a list and take away your job through TWIC and now the new employment ID.

They can put you on list and take away your right to bear arms, if this passes, and I have no reason to believe it won't, the "No Fly - No Gun" list has been something they have been pressing for years now.

They can put you on a list and take away your fourth, fifth and sixth Amendment rights.

All with no judicial review whatsoever, just some bureaucrat's signature.

Had enough yet?

RM918
05-05-2010, 11:08 AM
Is there anything vague threats of terrorism won't let you legislate?

Anti Federalist
05-05-2010, 11:12 AM
Is there anything vague threats of terrorism won't let you legislate?

No, not a thing is outside the purview of legislation if it's sold as an "anti-terrorism" measure.

Danke
05-05-2010, 11:15 AM
I thought it was supposed to be the terrorist that hate our freedoms...

Anti Federalist
05-05-2010, 01:38 PM
///

Matt Collins
05-05-2010, 01:41 PM
YouTube - Rahm Emanuel speaking on May 15, 2007 on the Terror Gap (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCEZuV7zmLk&feature=player_embedded)

pcosmar
05-05-2010, 02:01 PM
Had enough yet?

More than enough. A long time ago.
Unfortunately the vast number of folks haven't yet. I'm not sure we are at the tipping point.
I am afraid things will have to get much worse before there are enough to tip the scales.

But I have begun the transition from restoration to resistance.