Video: Glenn Beck's transformation continues

[JohnEngland]

Couldn't find a YouTube version of it, but Beck and Napolitano were on Fox & Friends and it's clear the Judge has influenced Beck a lot over the past year.

So, like a few weeks ago when Beck was talking about the trouble of America's empire building and massively wasteful and counterproductive military adventures, he states that the recent NY bomber must be defended by the Constitution - a view I'm sure neocons won't be happy to hear.

The way they're sitting on the couch makes me think of Napolitano as the teacher and Beck as the pupil:

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=Xd6UuzSUaG

[futo555]

I'm like Beck more and more each day...

But, he still has a long way to go...

[Hamer]

Beware Beck, he is fighting to keep his ratings up that he has lost 2 months ago with his propaganda to the liberty movement. Use him to get our msg out but don't trust him at this point for 1 second.

[sluggo]

How many times does a snake have to bite you before you figure out he's a snake?

[paulitics]

well, just a few months ago Beck didn't understand the 4th amendment and was making fun of Jesse Ventura for talking about Habeus Corpus on the same show. I guess this is progress, until he contradicts himself again.

[dean.engelhardt]

Last I check, Glenn Beck's vote counts as much as mine or yours: 1. So he's got a TV show and does whatever he can to keep ratings up, just like Limbaugh and Hannity. I never foooled myself that these guy only care about anything but ratings. I never bought that these guys actually share their personally held views. So who cares what Beck says about war?\

Pay me $30M per year and I'll say almost anything on TV and radio.

[Pennsylvania]

He was just on the air yesterday talking about how nobody in congress is telling you the truth. He hasn't changed and he never will change.

[Philhelm]

Pay me $30M per year and I'll say almost anything on TV and radio.

...Unless it's something good about Ron Paul. That's not allowed on TV or radio. :D

[Elwar]

:rolleyes:

[dean.engelhardt]

...Unless it's something good about Ron Paul. That's not allowed on TV or radio. :D

You are truly a man of integrity. $30M is alot of money.:D

[Imaginos]

Glenn Beck would say just whatever AIPAC ordered him to do.
His job is to distract millions of good people from the cause of liberty/freedom/constitution (what Ron Paul stands for) to the same old warmongering propaganda for Israel.
Listen to what he has to say about Israel.
I don't believe a single word from that snake's mouth.

[Theocrat]

Ron Paul supporter: "We need to awaken the sheeple from accepting all the mess our government has gotten us into. Socialism is here, folks! It's a shame how none of the mainstream media focuses on the real problems going on behind the scenes in our country today."

Glenn Beck: "Right now, our government has turned into a socialist regime, being run by progressives on puppet strings. There are sinister organizations backing our government, and I want to be the first news anchor to show you the truth about what's going on. It might scare the crap out of you!" [Proceeds to the chalkboards]

Ron Paul supporter: "Don't believe anything Beck says. He doesn't know what he's talking about, and we can't trust him. After all, he works on FOX News."

Talk about a self-defeating strategy. We want people to come to the truth, but only if they agree on 100% of the things we argue amongst ourselves right now, anyway. :rolleyes:

[MRoCkEd]

Ron Paul supporter: "We need to awaken the sheeple from accepting all the mess our government has gotten us into. Socialism is here, folks! It's a shame how none of the mainstream media focuses on the real problems going on behind the scenes in our country today."

Glenn Beck: "Right now, our government has turned into a socialist regime, being run by progressives on puppet strings. There are sinister organizations backing our government, and I want to be the first news anchor to show you the truth about what's going on. It might scare the crap out of you!" [Proceeds to the chalkboards]

Ron Paul supporter: "Don't believe anything Beck says. He doesn't know what he's talking about, and we can't trust him. After all, he works on FOX News."

Talk about a self-defeating strategy. We want people to come to the truth, but only if they agree on 100% of the things we argue amongst ourselves right now, anyway. :rolleyes:
No kidding.
It's a conspiracy if they don't promote our positions, and it's also a conspiracy if they do promote them.

[RM918]

Ron Paul supporter: "We need to awaken the sheeple from accepting all the mess our government has gotten us into. Socialism is here, folks! It's a shame how none of the mainstream media focuses on the real problems going on behind the scenes in our country today."

Glenn Beck: "Right now, our government has turned into a socialist regime, being run by progressives on puppet strings. There are sinister organizations backing our government, and I want to be the first news anchor to show you the truth about what's going on. It might scare the crap out of you!" [Proceeds to the chalkboards]

Ron Paul supporter: "Don't believe anything Beck says. He doesn't know what he's talking about, and we can't trust him. After all, he works on FOX News."

Talk about a self-defeating strategy. We want people to come to the truth, but only if they agree on 100% of the things we argue amongst ourselves right now, anyway. :rolleyes:

If only it were so simple. What do you call a person who'll go right back to neoconning the moment a Republican retakes the white house? Beck is a fair-weather friend, and not much good of one, as while he may sound like us occasionally he seems pretty devoted to merely using our rhetoric to re-elect establishment Republicans. What good does spreading our words do when it's falsely attributed to people who won't uphold them?

[Jordan]

No kidding.
It's a conspiracy if they don't promote our positions, and it's also a conspiracy if they do promote them.

And even more conspiratorial if his message is 95% pro-liberty, 5% questionable.


Does RPF not realize there are literally millions of people in this country that agree with 95% of the libertarian platform? Is it not possible that Glenn is one of those millions?

[AuH20]

When they find Beck's decomposed body in some drainage ditch, I wonder what the consensus will be then?:D

[AuH2O]

He was just on the air yesterday talking about how nobody in congress is telling you the truth. He hasn't changed and he never will change.

Umm, slighting one congressman who deserves credit is FAR better than crediting a bunch of congressmen who deserve none.

[Pennsylvania]

Umm, slighting one congressman who deserves credit is FAR better than crediting a bunch of congressmen who deserve none.

I disagree. To me it's far more important to cast light on the one good thing in congress than give the rest of the critters any attention at all.

Besides, it doesn't take that much to throw in a simple "except Ron Paul". Beck never does this.

[Jeros]

How many times does a snake have to bite you before you figure out he's a snake?

Snakes don't bit do they? :D

People around here have a short term memory. Maybe a few question would clear things up a bit.

1. What is Becks history? What is the motivation for everything he has ever done?

2. How long has he been doing the same thing? That is, finding an audience and adjusting to it?

3. How many times over the past half decade has he been instrumental in demonizing honest liberty advocates and principles?

4. Why is it that after 80% of the country associates Beck's rhetoric with poison, he becomes this big proponent of liberty?

Beck is a crazy fucker. I trust am as much as I trust the meth addict begging for change on the side of the highway. He is going down in flames and taking the concepts of liberty with him.

[Elwar]

Strike One: Glenn Beck calls Ron Paul supporters terrorists
Strike Two: Glenn Beck attacks Debra Medina in an ambush interview

Strike Three: ...?

http://www.theronpaulteaparty.com/e107_images/banners/banner.jpg (http://www.TheRonPaulTeaParty.com)

[Sentient Void]

Some of you guys are being ridiculous. We need to take what we can, when we can.

REWARD him for saying/doing things we like, such as ratings, spreading links to his videos, etc around...

PUNISH him when he says things we don't like, such as not watching his show, and ignoring him.

I sincerely believe the TRUE / pro-liberty movement has a lot of clout in the media and in peoples' minds... otherwise why do virtually all hosts (whether you're talking about Cavuto, Maddow, Napolitano, et al) get super excited when Ron Paul comes on? Their ratings go up. This makes them and their business look good.

Let's try to get Ron Paul on the Beck show to give him more ratings and education.

Some of you need to stop cutting off your nose to save your face. We don't need to trust him completely, but we can use him when it's beneficial to the pro-liberty movement.

[Slutter McGee]

I am cautiously optomistic about Beck. I believe that people change. Right now he is doing and saying good things. The big question will be how he acts when the Republicans are back in power. Until then, despite the Medina thing, which was also her fault, I am will to give him a chance.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[fisharmor]

Some of you guys are being ridiculous. We need to take what we can, when we can.....

The devil will tell a thousand truths to get in just one lie.

Not listening. To Beck, or his fanclub.

A thousand other people could do what he does. Every time you're listening to Beck, you're not listening to one of those other people.
He had his chances. He uses them to sell us down the river.

[jclay2]

Beck supports sarah palin. How much more do you have to say. This is the same sarah palin who was full throttle for the Bankster Bailout and wants us to stay in war until perpetuity. A wolf in sheeps clothing is far more dangerous than a wolf. Remember that.

[Free Moral Agent]

Theocrat, you forgot the line where Glenn Beck switches it up...

Ron Paul supporter: "We need to awaken the sheeple from accepting all the mess our government has gotten us into. Socialism is here, folks! It's a shame how none of the mainstream media focuses on the real problems going on behind the scenes in our country today."

Glenn Beck: "Right now, our government has turned into a socialist regime, being run by progressives on puppet strings. There are sinister organizations backing our government, and I want to be the first news anchor to show you the truth about what's going on. It might scare the crap out of you!" [Proceeds to the chalkboards]

Ron Paul supporter: "Don't believe anything Beck says. He doesn't know what he's talking about, and we can't trust him. After all, he works on FOX News."

Glenn Beck to Debra Medina: " Do you have advisors that advise you or people that are around you that are 9/11 Truthers?" [Proceeds to mock Medina]

Ron Paul supporter: "TOLD YOU DUMBASS!"

[tropicangela]

So why does Beck still marginalize Paul? He said he's not Ron Paul but on the road to Ron Paul. Why not just say Ron Paul was right and be done with it?

[BlackTerrel]

Beck is neither our Savior nor evil incarnate. When he says stuff we like good, when he doesn't not good. Just like most people. Take that for what it is.

Some people here seem a bit paranoid. Like Beck is some evil warlord petting a cat in his basement just reeling us in as some sort of evil plot to take over the world.

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

If Glenn Beck wanted to reach out to Ron Paul supporters and make amends to demonstrate good faith he is more than capable of doing it.

Instead of reaching out to the Ron Paul revolution he has worked to co-opt the message and subvert the character of Ron Paul revolution supporters and candidates.

[Ricky201]

Strike One: Glenn Beck calls Ron Paul supporters terrorists
Strike Two: Glenn Beck attacks Debra Medina in an ambush interview

Strike Three: ...?

They won't learn after strike three dammit! They never will! People on this board are so convinced that we are trying to divide ourselves who may disagree with on us on a few things and it has absolutely nothing to do with that or about being a purist. It has everything to do with an individuals track record towards the liberty movement and calling a snake a snake. And it's not like we don't support people in the mainstream. I mean hell many of us have been disappointed with what Buchanan and Stossel have to say sometimes, but they have never called anyone on our side crazy conspiracy nuts or domestic terrorists so we for the most part many of us show them respect. We should be very cautious of Beck.

[JCF]

"I could give a flying crap about the political process." - GB


He and his handlers are in it to make money, yes the message is alright but he's already proven when it comes down to it he's willing to turn his back on the liberty movement to support more Neocons... We'll see what he does in the during the 2012 election.

[ItsTime]

Strike One: Glenn Beck calls Ron Paul supporters terrorists
Strike Two: Glenn Beck attacks Debra Medina in an ambush interview

Strike Three: ...?

When Ron Paul announces his run for office and Beck shits all over him.

[getch36]

Beck is a snake in the grass,I don't trust him at all...........

[RM918]

So why does Beck still marginalize Paul? He said he's not Ron Paul but on the road to Ron Paul. Why not just say Ron Paul was right and be done with it?

Honestly, I'm not going to be sure about Beck until 2012. As it is, Beck could never do something like that because neocons REALLY, REALLY hate us. If Beck really went full on Paul and started praising us, he'd probably lose his job and a good chunk of his support.

[AuH20]

"I could give a flying crap about the political process." - GB


He and his handlers are in it to make money, yes the message is alright but he's already proven when it comes down to it he's willing to turn his back on the liberty movement to support more Neocons... We'll see what he does in the during the 2012 election.

Beck is right. The political process is a sideshow. The goal is to create principled movements that eventually swallow the political establishment.

[jclay2]

They won't learn after strike three dammit! They never will! People on this board are so convinced that we are trying to divide ourselves who may disagree with on us on a few things and it has absolutely nothing to do with that or about being a purist. It has everything to do with an individuals track record towards the liberty movement and calling a snake a snake. And it's not like we don't support people in the mainstream. I mean hell many of us have been disappointed with what Buchanan and Stossel have to say sometimes, but they have never called anyone on our side crazy conspiracy nuts or domestic terrorists so we for the most part many of us show them respect. We should be very cautious of Beck.

Thread winner here. You people have to understand that beck's falsehoods due far more damage than when beck uncovers things not presented in the normal mainstream. I'll admit, I have liked some of the things that beck has done on his show. However, when you contrast that with his shortcomings (calling the ron paul movement terrorist, medina is a 911 truther akin to hitler, ron paul is a crazy on foreign policy, his support of awful mainstream candidates like palin mccain perry and romney, etc...), beck is net terrible for the liberty movement. If any of you actually listen to beck, you would know that he thinks this country would move back to its founding principles if a reagan like candidate was elected. He is not a future up and coming thomas jefferson, but rather a raving neocon.

[qh4dotcom]

Wow

[sofia]

Beck is a FAKE!

What does it trake to convince u guys?

Remember...the term CON-man is derived from the word CONfidence. A good con-man wins yiur confidence first....then screws u in the end.

Beck's game is to infiltrate those who think like us...and then lead them astray at election time.

Just today he had Stultzman on his show....he only mentioned Stultzman and Coates....BUT NOT HOSTETTLER!!
same shit in Texas....and in CT he pretends Schiff does not exist....and he hardly ever mentions Rand.

The primary is today in Indiana and he brings Stultzman on to take votes away from Hostettler...


scumbag

[Nate-ForLiberty]

Honestly, I'm not going to be sure about Beck until 2012. As it is, Beck could never do something like that because neocons REALLY, REALLY hate us. If Beck really went full on Paul and started praising us, he'd probably lose his job and a good chunk of his support.

What I see happening is something like what happened to Medina. Except that in the beginning Beck will "support" (lightly) Ron Paul, until "something" happens or they get Dr. Paul to say something that they can twist, and then Beck will chime in with "Although I agree with Dr. Paul on most issues, I can't support someone like that." He'll then throw all his support to whomever the neo-cons have chosen.

Then all of the Beck apologists here will be feeling the piercing sting of betrayal. Hell, I bet some will even approach Dr. Paul like he did something wrong. You will mope away with you head hanging between you knees because for some reason you didn't see it coming. Dr. Paul will get railroaded again, but this time it will be at the hands of his own supporters gullibility.

WAKE THE F--- UP ALREADY! ROOT BECK'S ASS OUT FOR GOD'S SAKE.

When you pick the weeds out of a garden you don't leave some because they aren't killing the flowers YET. You are aware and intelligent enough to know exactly what those tiny seemingly gentle little weeds are up to. Beck isn't some hapless individual who is slowly learning what is going on. He is a multimillionaire hired by one of the most powerful men in the world to engineer public opinion.

fucking christ.

[sofia]

Beck supports a VAT tax!!!!

VAT is the sneakiest, most socialistic tax ever devised....

YouTube - Bankster Shills GLENN BECK & BILL O'REILLY Call For MORE TAXES On The AMERICAN PEOPLE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYRZgIL-hUk&feature=related)

[Imaginos]

Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are both on the payroll of AIPAC, Israeli lobbyists, and Military Industrial Complex lobbyists.
Both of them are de facto CANCERS from the establishment.

[speciallyblend]

Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are both on the payroll of AIPAC, Israeli lobbyists, and Military Industrial Complex lobbyists.
Both of them are de facto CANCERS from the establishment.

i find eating some apricot seeds daily can help keep the cancer away. blocking tv/cable box is good to!!

[NerveShocker]

Some of you guys are being ridiculous. We need to take what we can, when we can.

REWARD him for saying/doing things we like, such as ratings, spreading links to his videos, etc around...

PUNISH him when he says things we don't like, such as not watching his show, and ignoring him.

I sincerely believe the TRUE / pro-liberty movement has a lot of clout in the media and in peoples' minds... otherwise why do virtually all hosts (whether you're talking about Cavuto, Maddow, Napolitano, et al) get super excited when Ron Paul comes on? Their ratings go up. This makes them and their business look good.

Let's try to get Ron Paul on the Beck show to give him more ratings and education.

Some of you need to stop cutting off your nose to save your face. We don't need to trust him completely, but we can use him when it's beneficial to the pro-liberty movement.

Lol you have no idea how many times this has been said. We don't need to "reward" Beck for his good actions when the only reward he cares about is his paycheck. Anyone who has watched his schizophrenic act can see that.

He uses us time and time again only to hijack our movement and flip it on it's head. This is why he repeatedly back-stabs us when he is needed and agrees with us when it helps himself.


"Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me..." Never again -.-

[EndDaFed]

Beck probably is a sociopath. He belongs in a mental institution not on a cable news program.

[ItsTime]

Love it haha!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/image.php?u=2873&dateline=1272689053

[Liberty Star]

Did anyone watch the show where Glenn called aipac and Michael Bolton sponsors of terrorism?

Beck has come a long way from being a mentally unstable demagogue to a productive tool who puts food on his children without selling his soul.

[sofia]

Beck probably is a sociopath. He belongs in a mental institution not on a cable news program.

thats exactly right.

He clearly manifests all the major signs of a sociopath (as do most media mouthpieces and politicians)

the fake crying....

the phony religious guy who recovered from alcohol act

the way he talks about himself

the melodrama

the sneakiness.

This Judas is betraying his country EVERY BIT as much as Obama is.....and for a lot more than just 30 pieces of silver!

[Slutter McGee]

Lol you have no idea how many times this has been said. We don't need to "reward" Beck for his good actions when the only reward he cares about is his paycheck. "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me..." Never again -.-

I know. Damn those capitalists, trying to make money and all. So evil. I have been following Glenn for a long time....back when I had to watch him five nights a week on CNN at the hotel I worked at. He was straight up neo-con in foreign policy and other things.

I have seen dramatic change in him....and not just when he came to fox. It started before.

This is a movement based on belief in the individual. Based on the hope that people can learn, understand, and put into practice ideas based on liberty. Not that government can create change, but that individuals can...and can change themselves. And individuals make MISTAKES.

I am certainly not saying to call Beck a hero of the movement. I am not even saying call him an ally. I am not saying watch him. Nor listen to him. I am not even saying trust him.

Simply don't give up faith that people CAN change, and don't be so stuck on your pre-concieved opinion that you cant recognize change when it happens.

I know I quoted a post, but I am responding to everyone, not just them.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[Slutter McGee]

thats exactly right.

He clearly manifests all the major signs of a sociopath (as do most media mouthpieces and politicians)

the fake crying....

the phony religious guy who recovered from alcohol act

the way he talks about himself

the melodrama

the skeakiness.



All of the above...he does to make money. It is a show. Seriously. Do you hate capitalism as much as you hate Beck?

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[speciallyblend]

Love it haha!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/image.php?u=2873&dateline=1272689053

yeah i thought it was cute, the jammin kitty;) think i will use it for awhile:)

[speciallyblend]

All of the above...he does to make money. It is a show. Seriously. Do you hate capitalism as much as you hate Beck?

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

i just wish i could lie and mislead folks to make money!! seems the only way to make it these days is to stab folks in the back,so might be a reason why i am broke!!

[sofia]

All of the above...he does to make money. It is a show. Seriously. Do you hate capitalism as much as you hate Beck?

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

I'm sure he'd do just as well WITHOUT the fake crying and the "I love Jesus" Act

Proof is in the pudding my friend.

Beck promotes Romney, Palin, Perry, and war against Iran.

Beck doesnt care if you support Global Warming Hoax (as Romney does)...but question 9/11 and he'll destroy you.

Name me one time when Beck got behind a true conservative?

So far, he has screwed Ron Paul, Hostettler, and Medina


and he IGNORES Schiff and Rand

just wait until 2012 when he screws Ron again....Then u will see. Trust me...it's coming.

[Slutter McGee]

I
and he IGNORES Schiff and Rand

just wait until 2012 when he screws Ron again....Then u will see. Trust me...it's coming.

Umm ok. Yeah bacause Schiff and Rand have never been on his show...oh wait. I am not saying that Beck is going to support Ron Paul...but I would be willing to make a bet that he doesn't screw him over.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[No1ButPaul08]

Glenn Beck is so great he hardly ever has Peter Schiff on anymore. When he was on CNNHN he had Schiff on all the time. Called him one of his, "favorite guests." In fact, Beck had Schiff scheduled to be on his very first Fox show, but that got cancelled.

It all goes back to the "Peter Schiff was Right" video where some of Fox's terrible analysts got exposed as fools. Schiff's appearance's on Fox networks have since been few and far between. He also used to be on FBN all the time, not so anymore.

Beck is just a puppet of Fox News and will do whatever they tell him for a buck.

[sofia]

Umm ok. Yeah bacause Schiff and Rand have never been on his show...oh wait. I am not saying that Beck is going to support Ron Paul...but I would be willing to make a bet that he doesn't screw him over.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

Deliberate ignoring is a form of screwing over.

You're on! $1 that Beck will either attack or ignore Ron Paul (assuming Ron runs again)

[Sentient Void]

I know. Damn those capitalists, trying to make money and all. So evil. I have been following Glenn for a long time....back when I had to watch him five nights a week on CNN at the hotel I worked at. He was straight up neo-con in foreign policy and other things.

I have seen dramatic change in him....and not just when he came to fox. It started before.

This is a movement based on belief in the individual. Based on the hope that people can learn, understand, and put into practice ideas based on liberty. Not that government can create change, but that individuals can...and can change themselves. And individuals make MISTAKES.

I am certainly not saying to call Beck a hero of the movement. I am not even saying call him an ally. I am not saying watch him. Nor listen to him. I am not even saying trust him.

Simply don't give up faith that people CAN change, and don't be so stuck on your pre-concieved opinion that you cant recognize change when it happens.

I know I quoted a post, but I am responding to everyone, not just them.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

THANK YOU. Couldn't have said it better myself. And you're particularly right about the capitalism part. GOD FORBID someone wants to stay in business and make money. I say, we use it. Help him get good ratings when he talks about what we like (Ron Paul, Schiff, anti-establishment, etc), and make youtube videos and spread them around.

Hell, about 8 years ago when I got out of public high-school I was a raging statist. I felt the government needed to take care of us, protect us, and we should always trust our leaders to do the best and right thing, and that without all-present government we would destroy ourselves.

Shortly after being exposed to the liberal media, etc I became a raging socialist. We needed to help people, and force others to help us help them, and squeeze the rich to make everyone more equal. Life was unfair and it needed to be made fair for everyone, by the government.

Then I became a raging neo-con imperialist, because it was obvious socialism didn't work and was inefficient, but we needed to be the nation at the top - after all, someone has to be at the top, might as well be us. It was our duty to impose our morality and control over the savages of the world and spread and protect american interests everywhere.

Then after more research, and ESPECIALLY hearing Ron Paul debate a few years back - it really got me thinking. I did more research. Philosophy, economics, the founders, Ron Paul... I realize it was all bullshit - the govt was bullshit. But it was a necessary evil to protect our most fundamental rights. Freedom worked... but only to an extent, I thought. I didn't trust the govt to do anything right or efficiently, and they were easily corrupted - yet I still believed they should do the most essential jobs of society (protecting our natural rights of life, liberty, property, law and courts, providing for common defense). I was then a minarchist.

Then I realized the ass-backwards logic of such an idea that the govt can't be trusted in any way, to do things efficiently or right, and can easily be corrupted - but that we must leave the most IMPORTANT jobs to the govt. So I did yet more research and self-reflection... read some Ruwart, David Friedman, Rothbard, Hayek, and will start on Von Mises soon. I realized that ANY job the govt has ever done in history - the private sector has also done, but cheaper and much more effectively. There were clear-cut ideas of how pure-unfettered free-market capitalism and the complete absence of the state in accordance with people's recognition of property was the most logically, morally and economically consistent and viable system out there. I am now an anarcho-capitalist, with a view of gradualism and acceptance of minarchism as a means to an ideal ends.

What's my point in this rant? People CAN change. Maybe Beck is changing? Maybe he's not. But I and Slutter aren't saying to completely trust him just yet (I know I don't), but take it as an opportunity to spread the message we want out there much more... this may or may not result in a conversion of Beck - but at the least MANY minds out there will be a LOT more open to our ideas, and to Ron Paul. Plus, some videos have shown that Napolitano has been at Beck's ear a lot recently - so maybe he is changing his message? Sure, he's definitely not all the way there yet... but he's saying more and more of what we like.

I mean, for hell's sake - he's talking serious anti-establishment shit now, and he's EVEN talking about pulling our empire back, and talking about the constitution, mentioning Ron Paul, etc... this is VERY against the neocon agenda/philosophy.

Until then, we all have a common goal for freedom, whether some of us trust others or not - don't let stuff like this divide us. Although I don't think it really is anyways. But I digress...

[damiengwa]

Snakes don't bit do they? :D

Beck is a crazy fucker. I trust am as much as I trust the meth addict begging for change on the side of the highway. He is going down in flames and taking the concepts of liberty with him.

Are you kidding? At least the you know what that meth addict deal is! I had a meth addict living in an abandon lot across from my apt. He was creepy as shit and no one wanted to walk out an night alone with him out there. But some how, i'd be even more freaked out if it were glenn beck living in that abandoned lot across the way from my place...

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Love it haha!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/image.php?u=2873&dateline=1272689053

That one has been cracking me up too.

[YumYum]

Glenn Beck's followers have no college degree. In other words, they are not edumacated!:D

[catdd]

Transforming from a sell out to a bigger sell out is about all.

[Baptist]

"See, Beck is starting to come around."

All the much easier for him to stab you in the back.

[eproxy100]

I know. Damn those capitalists, trying to make money and all. So evil. I have been following Glenn for a long time....back when I had to watch him five nights a week on CNN at the hotel I worked at. He was straight up neo-con in foreign policy and other things.

I have seen dramatic change in him....and not just when he came to fox. It started before.

This is a movement based on belief in the individual. Based on the hope that people can learn, understand, and put into practice ideas based on liberty. Not that government can create change, but that individuals can...and can change themselves. And individuals make MISTAKES.

I am certainly not saying to call Beck a hero of the movement. I am not even saying call him an ally. I am not saying watch him. Nor listen to him. I am not even saying trust him.

Simply don't give up faith that people CAN change, and don't be so stuck on your pre-concieved opinion that you cant recognize change when it happens.

I know I quoted a post, but I am responding to everyone, not just them.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

Your sarcasm regarding capitalists is such a meaningless attack. People can choose to hate a person for putting money before morals - there's nothing wrong with that. You seem to be suggesting it's wrong.

You go on saying that you're not telling people to trust GB, yet you tell people to not be "stuck on your pre-conceived opinion that you cant recognize change when it happens." So people are supposed to trust that GB has changed, is that right? Your statements are contradictory to each other unless you're not directing the "people can change" idea to GB. Given the context of your entire comment I don't see who else you might be addressing.

So, wanna clear something up?

[Slutter McGee]

Your sarcasm regarding capitalists is such a meaningless attack. People can choose to hate a person for putting money before morals - there's nothing wrong with that. You seem to be suggesting it's wrong.

You go on saying that you're not telling people to trust GB, yet you tell people to not be "stuck on your pre-conceived opinion that you cant recognize change when it happens." So people are supposed to trust that GB has changed, is that right? Your statements are contradictory to each other unless you're not directing the "people can change" idea to GB. Given the context of your entire comment I don't see who else you might be addressing.

So, wanna clear something up?

How fucking long have you been here? Anybody who has ever said anything negative about this movement...the very moment they say something positive they are a liar, infiltrator, or half a dozen other things.

My post was about having faith in the individual. It was said in general...as these attacks on Beck are representative of attacks on everyone else.

And my sarcasm is fucking brilliant. I have nothing more to clear up. Bump up your reading comprehension.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee