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bobbyw24
05-01-2010, 02:33 PM
Forty-nine percent (49%) of U.S. voters now believe relations between whites and Hispanics in America are getting worse, up 15 points from 34% in December. But voter perceptions of black-Hispanic relations are unchanged.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 28% think white-Hispanic relations are improving.

In the previous survey, 40% said relations between white Americans and Hispanics were getting better.

The survey taken Monday and Tuesday nights follows Arizona’s passage of a controversial law to crack down on illegal immigrants. Sixty-four percent (64%) of voters in the state support the new law. So do 60% of voters nationwide.

But 58% also favor a policy that would welcome all immigrants except “national security threats, criminals and those who would come here to live off our welfare system.”

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Twenty-eight percent (28%) of voters now say there is more discrimination these days against Hispanics than against African-Americans or women, up seven points from December. Twenty-one percent (21%) say women are more discriminated against, while just 13% say the same of blacks. Thirty-eight percent (38%) are not sure. In the previous survey, voters put women at the head of the list, with Hispanics second and blacks third.

There has been virtually no change over the past four months in voter perceptions of black-Hispanic relations. Nineteen percent (19%) say the relationship between blacks and Hispanics is getting better, while 37% believe it’s getting worse.

Fifty-five percent (55%) believe relations between blacks and whites are getting better, down from 62% in December. Twenty-three percent (23%) say that relationship is getting worse, and 17% say neither is the case.

Seventy-seven percent (77%) of voters say relations between whites and blacks are better today than they were in the 1960s, marking very little change from the previous survey. Eighteen percent (18%) say relations between the two are not better today.

The numbers on white-black relations have changed very little since last July at the height of the national debate over the arrest of a black Harvard professor by a white Cambridge, Massachusetts policeman.

December marked the first Rasmussen Reports survey asking about the state of relations involving Hispanics.

Still, Americans have a rosier view of U.S. society than they have had in several years. Last month, 70% of adults described American society as fair and decent, while just 19% said it was unfair and discriminatory. continues a trend first noted in December when the number who regard society as fair and equal crossed into the 70s for the first time since tracking on the question first began in November 2006.

African-American voters remain more confident in the nation’s current course than whites and other voters.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2010/49_say_white_hispanic_relations_getting_worse

foofighter20x
05-01-2010, 03:00 PM
No shit.

Unemployment is hovering around 10%, but the unemployed are slow to blame government interference in the market for their problem and are searching for a scapegoat.

silus
05-01-2010, 04:11 PM
This is why I hate polls.

Liberty Stud
05-01-2010, 05:12 PM
Where are Asians in all of this??

We need to recruit more Asians to our cause. They have a lot to lose from all of this socialism.

MelissaWV
05-01-2010, 05:56 PM
49% think of White and Hispanic as two entirely different things... that's more shocking than anything.

furface
05-01-2010, 06:16 PM
49% think of White and Hispanic as two entirely different things... that's more shocking than anything.

Demographers and government bureaucrats typically do this. It gives them something to do besides hanging around in the unemployment line.

How you divide up people is very interesting. For the benefit of understanding society it's more reasonable to do it based on things like if you work for the government or belong to a union, whether or not you're a police officer or in the military, or have a family member who is. I would say doing it this way would tell you a lot more about where different ideas about culture and society come from.

I did an online Zogby poll this morning. Zogby is one of the only pollsters who puts down Arab American as a racial designation. To be honest I think it's a lot more interesting than other racial designations because Arabs are uniquely stuck in the middle of the WOT.

JP2010
05-01-2010, 08:45 PM
My wife and I did have an argument today, so there just might be something to this!

DamianTV
05-02-2010, 06:51 AM
http://www.urban.org/Images/testimony/passel_fix_08-02-01_fig6.gif

http://media.artdiamondblog.com/images2/ImmigrantEffectOnWages.jpg

http://www.heritage.org/static/reportimages/D31BF822A16789966027C48D24A7D38A.gif

furface
05-02-2010, 08:50 AM
Those charts are depressing, but not unexpected. The idea that illegal immigration somehow benefits society is a very strange, Orwellian concept.

teamrican1
05-02-2010, 09:28 AM
49% think of White and Hispanic as two entirely different things... that's more shocking than anything.

Yeah, what the poll really means is White/Mexican relations. In South Florida we use the term "Anglo" to describe white non-Latinos, but in the Southwest, what you are dealing with is mostly Mexicans and nearly all the Mexicans that immigrate are mestizo, not white, so you can get away with using the term white. But they should definitely use "Mexican" rather than "Hispanic" because not all Hispanics are Mexican and when it comes to non-Mexican Hispanic immigration a good number of those are white themselves.

Imaginos
05-02-2010, 10:10 AM
Where are Asians in all of this??

We need to recruit more Asians to our cause. They have a lot to lose from all of this socialism.
Here's the one. :)
I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but I am a hard core libertarian who agrees with pretty much every policy Ron Paul stands for.
Socialism fails, and it fails for everyone.
It doesn't matter who's on the receiving end or vice versa since if we keep up this insane domestic policies, it's going to be TOTAL BANKRUPTCY FOR EVERYONE.

Cowlesy
05-02-2010, 10:18 AM
Well the media is NOT helping that is for sh*t sure.

DamianTV
05-02-2010, 02:23 PM
Yeah, what the poll really means is White/Mexican relations. In South Florida we use the term "Anglo" to describe white non-Latinos, but in the Southwest, what you are dealing with is mostly Mexicans and nearly all the Mexicans that immigrate are mestizo, not white, so you can get away with using the term white. But they should definitely use "Mexican" rather than "Hispanic" because not all Hispanics are Mexican and when it comes to non-Mexican Hispanic immigration a good number of those are white themselves.

Youre absolutely right about that. But they think that. Hell, why do you think the term "La Raza" (the race) is used?

I coudlnt find any demographic information comparing immigrant education levels to those of other locales. Chinese have a much better education immigration, and India, they just whoop our asses. The average Indian immigrant is much much more likely to have a high school diploma and like 20 times more likely to have a college education.

Vessol
05-02-2010, 02:24 PM
Uh, aren't hispanics 'whites' by definition and ancestry?

silverhandorder
05-02-2010, 02:56 PM
Yeah a lot of people coming from SA are white.

andrewh817
05-02-2010, 03:07 PM
There are no race relations!! There are interpersonal relations!!

DamianTV
05-02-2010, 03:52 PM
Uh, aren't hispanics 'whites' by definition and ancestry?

Hispanic is a hybrid term created by the local natives of mexico when caucasian europeans arrived in the area. They are pretty much a mix between native american indian and castillian spanish (from spain). AFAIK...

bobbyw24
05-02-2010, 03:57 PM
Uh, aren't hispanics 'whites' by definition and ancestry?

NO-"Hispanic" simply refers to a person of any race who speaks Spanish.

For example, many Cubans and Dominicans are Hispanics of African ancestry.

libertythor
05-02-2010, 04:09 PM
NO-"Hispanic" simply refers to a person of any race who speaks Spanish.

For example, many Cubans and Dominicans are Hispanics of African ancestry.

Exactly! Julieta Venegas and Sammy Sosa are both Hispanic, but they are as close as sharing the same race as Michelle Obama and and Arnold Schwarzenegar are.

Also in Mexico the number of Whites and Indians are often underestimated. Anybody who doesn't specifically identify himself as something is pegged as a mestizo, including full-blooded Indians that do not speak a native dialect. A good number of the illegals from Sinaloa and other northwestern states of Mexico are pretty much White, while those from the far south lke Oaxaca are mostly Indian. Of course the vast majority are a mixture between the two, with illegals tending towards Indian.

In other words, "La Raza" and "Raza Latinoamericana"....etc is all a bunch of BS.

WaltM
05-02-2010, 04:24 PM
If Rasmussen is the group that told us 42 vs 41 Obama vs Paul, then I have reason to doubt their integrity.

silverhandorder
05-02-2010, 04:54 PM
Hispanic is often confused with Latino and used interchangebly. I believe the original meaning is a synonym for a spaniard.

libertythor
05-02-2010, 05:00 PM
Hispanic is often confused with Latino and used interchangebly. I believe the original meaning is a synonym for a spaniard.

Rumor has it that the US Government invented the current usage of "Latino" to mean any Spanish-speaking person, when technically the only "Latinos" are Italians.

MelissaWV
05-02-2010, 05:01 PM
Rumor has it that the US Government invented the current usage of "Latino" to mean any Spanish-speaking person, when technically the only "Latinos" are Italians.

And then to make it worse, Brazil is in Latin America...

libertythor
05-02-2010, 05:19 PM
And then to make it worse, Brazil is in Latin America...

LOL And a Brazilian can easily be anything an American can be, just with a higher probability of being Black or Mullato.

fedup100
05-02-2010, 05:59 PM
Black and white relations are even further in the toilet now that the purple lip racist has completed the divide. Do not see a poll regarding that color combo.

I say thank you Mr. purple lip for waking up the majority to the insanity of PC correctness.

libertythor
05-02-2010, 06:06 PM
Black and white relations are even further in the toilet now that the purple lip racist has completed the divide. Do not see a poll regarding that color combo.

I say thank you Mr. purple lip for waking up the majority to the insanity of PC correctness.

Relations between acheiving blacks and whites aren't that bad. Relations between those who are dependent on the government and those who acheive have always sucked.

DamianTV
05-03-2010, 01:58 AM
Relations between acheiving blacks and whites aren't that bad. Relations between those who are dependent on the government and those who acheive have always sucked.

Sounds a lot like the relationship between whites and hispanics in general.

I've never really given a shit what color a person is, its the attitude and the mentality that pisses me off to no end. Try to pay my car payment and I dont know how the people get into banking (not gonna start a tangent on the banks right now...) and the lady seemed to be all sorts of offended that I refused to speak to her in spanish! Aside from the fact that I cant speak spanish, my refusal to learn spanish may have something to do with that, I dont give a shit if she was Chinese origin and spoke spanish, too many refuse to learn the lanuage of the land!

They get a lot of jobs that suck, and turn around and say they are working the jobs we refuse to take. Well, Im sorry but that just isnt true. We are willing to work at those jobs, but as soon as we find another job that pays better, we move on to it. They dont. They are pretty much stuck in those entry level dead end jobs, and a good deal of that has to do with their education.

Lets go all racist on Indians for a second... Indians as in from India, not Native American Indians. A very high percentage of Indian immigrants that come here have at least a High School Diploma, and quite a few of them have Doctorates, Masters, and Bachelors degrees. They get jobs. They get jobs across the full spectrum of available jobs, based on their education. They get dirt jobs, middle of the road jobs, and high paying jobs. But, percentage wise, the Indians that come here do so legally and have something to contribute. They arent on welfare any more than the natural born citizens of this country, we dont have media eating up Indian Gang shooting, some of their english may suck, but they do their best to learn the language, and they dont scream bloody murder when we get all pissed off due to the number of illegals. WHy? Because they are legal. I get pissed off at Dirka Dirka Tom because he is getting paid more than me, because he has five degrees? Yeah, ya know what? Dirka Dirka Tom Indian deserves to get paid more because he has a much better edjumacashun than me does.

So hit that recall button on your life DVR and lets flip back to the previous topic. The majority of mexican immigrants that we are getting dont even have a high school diploma. Such a small percentage of mexican immigrants have a doctorate that it barely even registers. How many of them do you think are completely illiterate? I dont blame them for wanting to get an education, but wanting to get whitey to pay for it, because we somehow wronged them, so they deserve for us to pay to take care of them, their anchor babies, their gunshot bretheren. They get the shitty jobs because that is all they can get.

What we get from India is the Cream of the Crop.

What we get from Mexico is the Cream of the CRAP.

teamrican1
05-03-2010, 10:41 AM
Hispanic is a hybrid term created by the local natives of mexico when caucasian europeans arrived in the area. They are pretty much a mix between native american indian and castillian spanish (from spain). AFAIK...

Incorrect.

Hispanic is not a race. It is a geopolitical term. It describes anyone who hails from a Spanish speaking and cultured country outside of Spain. In the Western Hemisphere, this includes most of Central and South America. The thing that unites Hispanics is a common language, not race. Indeed, their races vary greatly from the mostly Mestizo (white and Indian) population of Mexico to the large black populations that can be found on the North Coast of Costa Rica (among other places) to the large Asian communities of Peru to the nearly all white population of Argentina. "Latino" is a similar term that centers not on language but Latin culture. Thus, "Latino" essentially means "Hispanics + Brazil". But again, this is not a race.

Oscar De La Hoya (Boxer) is a Hispanic mestizo, and also Latino.
Oscar:
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/profmarketing3/oscar-de-la-hoya.jpg

Gisele Bündchen (Supermodel) is a white Latino, but not a Hispanic.
Gisele (with white American husband):
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/profmarketing3/tom-brady-gisele-bundchen.jpg

Alberto Fujimori (Politician) is a Hispanic Asian, and also a Latino.
Alberto:
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/profmarketing3/peru_fujimori.jpg

Pele (Soccer Player) is a black Latino, but not a Hispanic.
Pele:
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/profmarketing3/pele_58.jpg

Caroline Trentini (Fashion Model) is a white Latino, but not a Hispanic.
Carol (with white American boyfriend and perhaps future white French Father in law):
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/profmarketing3/patrick-demarchelier-caroline-trent.jpg

José Contreras (Baseball Player) is a black Hispanic, also a Latino.
José:
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/profmarketing3/jose_contreras.jpg

Adriana Lima (Fashion Model) is a mulatto Latino, but not Hispanic.
Adriani:
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab51/profmarketing3/adriana_lima-724.jpg