State Rights or Individual Liberties

[Vessol]

Do you feel as if the government should have more power over the individual, any government, whether it be Federal, State, or Local.

Or should individuals have more rights, which is more important?

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Null brainer: Individual Liberties. I'll take that a million times over State's Rights. We DON'T have to have a Federal Government. We CAN'T live without Individual Liberty.

[TonySutton]

Without individual liberty you have slavery.

[LibertarianfromGermany]

Individual Liberties of course. However, we should of course be very wary of the federal government "protecting" our liberties from the states as this usually just serves for them as a way of enhancing the implied jurisdiction over our individual liberties and in the end one can better defend himself against an attack on personal liberties by a state government than against an attack by the federal government.

[FrankRep]

State Rights or Individual Liberties


Rasmussen: Arizona Governor boost in popularity over immigration enforcement bill

http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?t=247710


70% of Arizona Voters Favor New State Measure Cracking Down On Illegal Immigration

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=242026

[Vessol]

Rasmussen: Arizona Governor boost in popularity over immigration enforcement bill

http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?t=247710


70% of Arizona Voters Favor New State Measure Cracking Down On Illegal Immigration

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=242026

I thought we lived in a Republic, not a Democracy.

A Republic in which laws(the Constitution) govern the land, not the will of the majority.

[FrankRep]

I thought we lived in a Republic, not a Democracy.

A Republic in which laws(the Constitution) govern the land, not the will of the majority.

I thought we're talking about State Sovereignty.
Plus, we call them "Illegal" because they violated immigration LAWS (Republic).

[Vessol]

I thought we're talking about State Sovereignty.
Plus, we call them "Illegal" because they violated immigration LAWS (Republic).

This isn't a discussion about illegal immigrants. They do not have constitutional rights.

This is a discussion of U.S citizens.

Namely, the right of a U.S citizen to be able to have the freedom of everything guaranteed in the Constitution, including the 4th Amendment.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

[RCA]

At first I was like, is this a serious question? Then I realized how many of the forum members support unwarranted searches and gun bans because some "State" said so.

[BuddyRey]

A state is just a social construct whose power is derived from various individuals' unyielding belief in and obedience to it. A fictitious institution that would cease to exist without the active participation of so many people can hardly be said to have natural rights.

[South Park Fan]

Individual Liberties should of course be prioritized over State Sovereignty (States don't have rights). However, state sovereignty can be used as a lesser evil when the federal government infringe on individual liberty to an even greater degree.