Oklahoma moves to ban unorganized militias.

[Cowlesy]

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-house-passes-bill-outlawing-militias-and-gang-recruiting/article/3456132


Shelton’s amendment defines an unauthorized militia as a group not recognized nor authorized by the commander-in-chief of the state’s militia.

He said on the House floor that would be the governor.

Rep. Mike Reynolds, R-Oklahoma City, asked Shelton if he characterized the Black Panthers as an unauthorized militia.

"Are they going around terrorizing communities, doing drive-by shootings, using ammonium nitrate to blow up buildings?” Shelton asked. "When they start doing that, they would be considered (that).”



Read more: http://newsok.com/oklahoma-house-passes-bill-outlawing-militias-and-gang-recruiting/article/3456132#ixzz0mV3ZvDiC

[TonySutton]

Based on his statement,


Are they going around terrorizing communities, doing drive-by shootings, using ammonium nitrate to blow up buildings?” Shelton asked. "When they start doing that, they would be considered (that).

when they start committing crimes they will also be guilty of being an illegal militia? Does anyone think murderers care if they are considered part of an illegal militia?

[pcosmar]

Posted this last night,
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=242274

and more bullshit,
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63R2O020100428?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews
Special Report: Rapid growth of militias feeds off politics

[ItsTime]

Based on his statement,



when they start committing crimes they will also be guilty of being an illegal militia? Does anyone think murderers care if they are considered part of an illegal militia?

Just making creative ways to keep those people in jail longer.

[pcosmar]

Recruiting membership in an unauthorized militia or the Ku Klux Klan would be a crime if legislation approved Thursday by the House of Representatives becomes law.


"This is making unauthorized militias illegal,” said Rep. Mike Shelton, the amendment’s author.

This shit needs to be stopped.
:mad:

[Pericles]

Talk about turning the original militia act on its head:

"X. And be it further enacted, That it shall be the duty of the brigade inspector, to attend the regimental and battalion meeting of the militia composing their several brigades, during the time of their being under arms, to inspect their arms, ammunition and accoutrements; superintend their exercise and maneuvres and introduce the system of military discipline before described, throughout the brigade, agreeable to law, and such orders as they shall from time to time receive from the commander in Chief of the State; to make returns to the adjutant general of the state at least once in every year, of the militia of the brigade to which he belongs, reporting therein the actual situation of the arms, accoutrement, and ammunition, of the several corps, and every other thing which, in his judgment, may relate to their government and general advancement of good order and military disciple; an adjutant general shall make a return of all militia of the state, to the Commander in Chief of the said state, and a duplicate of the same to the president of the United States.

And whereas sundry corps of artillery, cavalry and infantry now exist in several of the said states, which by the laws, customs, or usages thereof, have not been incorporated with, or subject to the general regulation of the militia.


XI. Be it enacted, That such corps retain their accustomed privileges subject, nevertheless, to all other duties required by this Act, in like manner with the other militias."

[bruce leeroy]

if it does become law in OK, its a garuntee of at least some unrest

[peacepotpaul]

This shit needs to be stopped.
:mad:

no it doesn't, our constitution only says " a well regulated militia", that doesn't include unorganized ones, does it?

[dwdollar]

I don't know how this got past the House.

[Pericles]

no it doesn't, our constitution only says " a well regulated militia", that doesn't include unorganized ones, does it?

It does.

"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."
--Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

[V for Voluntary]

no it doesn't, our constitution only says " a well regulated militia", that doesn't include unorganized ones, does it?


"The meaning of the phrase "well-regulated" in the 2nd amendment

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."
1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city.""

http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm

[pcosmar]

no it doesn't, our constitution only says " a well regulated militia", that doesn't include unorganized ones, does it?

"Ignorance of the law is no excuse"

I have heard that quote before. It applies here.
http://www.tulsatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1747:there-already-is-an-oklahoma-militia&catid=54:tulsa-speaks&Itemid=147
There Already is an Oklahoma Militia


The fact is that Oklahoma state law already establishes and provides for, an "unorganized militia" as an officially recognized part of Oklahoma military forces.

§44-41. Composition of Militia - Classes.

The Militia of the State of Oklahoma shall be divided into three (3) classes: The National Guard, the Oklahoma State Guard, and the Unorganized Militia.

23. "State military forces" means the National Guard of the state, as defined in Title 32, United States Code, the organized naval militia of the state, and any other military force organized under the Constitution and laws of the state to include the unorganized militia (the state defense force when not in a status subjecting them to exclusive jurisdiction under Chapter 47 of Title 10, United States Code).

These statutes are not part of overlooked or arcane law. The legislature has rewritten this section numerous times over decades, most recently in 2007.

So undeniably, a militia in Oklahoma is not only legal – it already exists as a matter of fact.

[Brian4Liberty]

"The meaning of the phrase "well-regulated" in the 2nd amendment

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."
1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."
1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."
1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."
1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."
1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city.""

http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm

That is very interesting, and it is important to understand the exact meaning of the words when they were written.

I believe this would also mean that the militias should be practiced, equiped and somewhat organized (by themselves). A well-regulated person would also be a person who is in control of themselves.

It does not say that the militias will be "regulated" (modern usage) by Congress or the States. The Constitution is usually specific as to who would have a certain government power, be it Federal (and which Branch) or States, if a power is granted to government.

[Pericles]

That is very interesting, and it is important to understand the exact meaning of the words when they were written.

I believe this would also mean that the militias should be practiced, equiped and somewhat organized (by themselves). A well-regulated person would also be a person who is in control of themselves.

It does not say that the militias will be "regulated" (modern usage) by Congress or the States. The Constitution is usually specific as to who would have a certain government power, be it Federal (and which Branch) or States, if a power is granted to government.

More from the Militia Act of 1792:

"An ACT more effectually to provide for the National Defence, by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States.

I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act. And it shall at all time hereafter be the duty of every such Captain or Commanding Officer of a company, to enroll every such citizen as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of 18 years, or being at the age of 18 years, and under the age of 45 years (except as before excepted) shall come to reside within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrollment, by the proper non-commissioned Officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack. That the commissioned Officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger, and espontoon; and that from and after five years from the passing of this Act, all muskets from arming the militia as is herein required, shall be of bores sufficient for balls of the eighteenth part of a pound; and every citizen so enrolled, and providing himself with the arms, ammunition and accoutrements, required as aforesaid, shall hold the same exempted from all suits, distresses, executions or sales, for debt or for the payment of taxes."

[Anti Federalist]

Protecting the State’s Murder Monopoly

Posted by William Grigg on April 29, 2010 03:09 PM

The Oklahoma House of Representatives has passed a measure criminalizing “membership in an unauthorized militia or the Ku Klux Klan,” reports The Oklahoman newspaper.The relevant language was added to an existing bill, SB 2018, which would enhance penalties for “aiding or soliciting gang membership” from one year to five years in prison.

“In Oklahoma, we have seen the damage done by militia fanatics,” insists Democratic state Rep. Mike Shelton, referring to the 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing.

Shelton neglected to mention that Timothy McVeigh, the disgruntled former federal employee executed for that crime, was never a member of a private militia. He was, however, a veteran of the state’s officially sanctioned killing apparatus who learned his lethal skills during the orgy of state terrorism called the first Iraq War. (McVeigh’s un-indicted co-conspirators included several informant/provocateurs on the payroll of various federal agencies.)

If McVeigh is the embodiment of the “gang” threat Shelton seeks to address, he should sponsor legislation banning military recruiters from the Sooner State.