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JP2010
04-29-2010, 08:11 AM
Many of the cars that once stopped in the Home Depot parking lot to pick up day laborers to hang drywall or do landscaping now just drive on by.
Arizona's sweeping immigration bill allows police to arrest illegal immigrant day laborers seeking work on the street or anyone trying to hire them. It won't take effect until summer but it is already having an effect on the state's underground economy.

"Nobody wants to pick us up," Julio Loyola Diaz says in Spanish as he and dozens of other men wait under the shade of palo verde trees and lean against a low brick wall outside the east Phoenix home improvement store.
Many day laborers like Diaz say they will leave Arizona because of the law, which also makes it a state crime to be in the U.S. illegally and directs police to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants.

Supporters of the law hope it creates jobs for thousands of Americans.
"We want to drive day labor away," says Republican Rep. John Kavanagh, one of the law's sponsors.

An estimated 100,000 illegal immigrants have left Arizona in the past two years as it cracked down on illegal immigration and its economy was especially hard hit by the Great Recession. A Department of Homeland Security report on illegal immigrants estimates Arizona's illegal immigrant population peaked in 2008 at 560,000, and a year later dipped to 460,000.

The law's supporters hope the departure of illegal immigrants will help dismantle part of the underground economy here and create jobs for thousands of legal residents in a state with a 9.6 percent unemployment rate.

Kavanagh says day labor is generally off the books, and that deprives the state of much-needed tax dollars. "We'll never eliminate it, just like laws against street prostitution," he says. "But we can greatly reduce the prevalence."

Day laborers do jobs including construction, landscaping and household work for cash paid under the table. Those jobs have been harder to find since the housing industry collapsed here several years ago.

Standing near potted trees and bushes for sale at a Home Depot in east Phoenix, Diaz, 35, says he may follow three families in his neighborhood who moved to New Mexico because of the law. He says a friend is finding plenty of work in Dallas.
Diaz says he has too much to lose by staying - he's supporting a wife and infant son back home in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, across the border from El Paso, Texas.
"They depend on me to survive," he says. "I'm not going to wait for police to come and arrest me."

Jose Armenta, a 33-year-old illegal immigrant from Mexico's western coast, is already planning to move to Utah within the next 20 days because of a combination of the economy and the new law.

"A lot of people drive by," he says as he watched nearby cars speeding past, "and they yell, 'Hey, go back to Mexico!'"

Analysts say it's too soon to tell what lasting effects the law will have on the state's underground work force, which also includes baby sitters, maids and cooks.

A study of immigrants in Arizona published in 2008 found that non-citizens, mostly in the country illegally, held an estimated 280,000 full-time jobs. The study by researcher Judith Gans at the University of Arizona examined 2004 data, finding that they contributed about 8 percent of the state's economic output, or $29 billion.

Losing hundreds of thousands of unskilled laborers wouldn't hurt the state's economy in the short term, but it could limit the economy's ability to grow once it recovers, says Marshall Vest, director of the Economic and Business Research Center at the University of Arizona's Eller College of Management.

Legal workers who are willing to take any available job now will become more choosy if the unemployment rate falls back to low levels seen before the recession hit.

"That's really the question, as to whether the existing population is willing to work those (low-level) jobs," Vest says. "I think economics provides the answer. If job openings have no applicants, then businesses need to address that by raising the offered wage."

Some illegal immigrants, however, intended to stick around.
Natalia Garcia, 35, from Mexico City, says she and her husband - a day laborer - will stay so their daughters - both born in the U.S. - can get a good education and learn English. The couple have been living in Arizona illegally for the last 10 years.
"Mexico doesn't have a lot of opportunities," she says. "Here, we work honestly, and we have a better life."

Olga Sanchez, 32, from southern Mexico, lives in Phoenix illegally with her two brothers, who are 21 and 17. While the youngest boy is in high school, all three work and send money back home to their parents.

"This law is very bad for us," says Sanchez, who gets about $250 a week cleaning three houses. "I'm afraid of what's going to happen."

She says the family is going to wait and see if the law takes effect and what the fallout will be before deciding whether to leave. The law is certain to be challenged in court; Phoenix, Tucson and Flagstaff already are considering lawsuits.
"All I ask from God is a miracle for us to stay here and work," she says.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100429/D9FCDCN00.html

FrankRep
04-29-2010, 08:17 AM
Arizona Illegals are deporting themselves!

:)

Stary Hickory
04-29-2010, 08:31 AM
Well then I guess AZ has at least started to stem the tide some. Amazinglinly enough is the fear mongering that has scared off the illegals more than the actual law itself. All the hysteria has had an impact.

TonySutton
04-29-2010, 08:33 AM
Wow a truly amazing law, it is working before it ever goes into effect... o.O

AuH20
04-29-2010, 08:34 AM
Their feelings are hurt? Jesus...

AuH20
04-29-2010, 08:38 AM
BTW if any more border states pass a similar law, many will leave the country outright or simply head to California, which is rattled by enough debt obligations as it is. It could send that state over the proverbial falls.

Deborah K
04-29-2010, 08:42 AM
Okay, the article summons up this skit:

http://www.funnieststuff.net/viewmovie.php?id=750

angelatc
04-29-2010, 08:59 AM
Well then I guess AZ has at least started to stem the tide some. Amazinglinly enough is the fear mongering that has scared off the illegals more than the actual law itself. All the hysteria has had an impact.

I have often thought that the best way to keep the illegals from protesting would be to announce that the authorities would be checking green cards at the protest.

Of course it is illegal to actually check green cards in that environment, but it isn't illegal to announce that they're going to do it.

DapperDan
04-29-2010, 09:00 AM
Their feelings are hurt? Jesus...

Who hasn't had their feelings hurt these days? Everyone is a baby and everything offends someone. Makes me sick......well not counting argument on Constitutionality or whatever.

angelatc
04-29-2010, 09:01 AM
BTW if any more border states pass a similar law, many will leave the country outright or simply head to California, which is rattled by enough debt obligations as it is. It could send that state over the proverbial falls.

I read somewhere that this could open the door for an appeal of the decision of California's Prop 187.

Deborah K
04-29-2010, 09:03 AM
Okay I'll try this again. We need a little levity. Please watch this?

YouTube - The Job (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XGJq8wrw5I)

angelatc
04-29-2010, 09:08 AM
That's funny Deb! He probably does need all those people to run a landscaping business thanks to the government's paperwork...

Sarge
04-29-2010, 09:33 AM
Deb funny.

I hope the bankers are legal, otherwise he is going to get his clock cleaned. Wait, he will get his clock cleaned anyway.

muh_roads
04-29-2010, 09:35 AM
Hopefully Texas enacts the same law. Will be moving to Dallas soon.

FrankRep
04-29-2010, 10:00 AM
Hopefully Texas enacts the same law. Will be moving to Dallas soon.

Yeah, I'm looking to move to Houston, Texas.

Andrew Ryan
04-29-2010, 03:42 PM
: o

Imperial
04-29-2010, 03:48 PM
I have often thought that the best way to keep the illegals from protesting would be to announce that the authorities would be checking green cards at the protest.

Of course it is illegal to actually check green cards in that environment, but it isn't illegal to announce that they're going to do it.

Sounds like the Republican National Convention... "lets round up those pesky Ron Paulites and leftie protesters on the streets! They know we are going to do it..."

Notice one of the arguments in the article was to increase tax revenue. You can see what the state gets in return...

low preference guy
04-29-2010, 03:50 PM
Arizona Illegals are deporting themselves!

:)

Not yet. At this moment they're going to neighbor states.

dannno
04-29-2010, 03:54 PM
Wait until their landscaping bills and contractor fees double. People without experience doing landscaping or contracting aren't going to have any easier a time finding work, either. Demand for this stuff will drop cause the prices will rise, too.

It will be nice to have some more of this cheap labor here in CA.. I just wish CA would get rid of the welfare state for illegals cause a lot of them will probably end up getting govt. help.

Natalie
04-29-2010, 04:03 PM
yeah, i'm looking to move to houston, texas.

do it!!!!! :)

angelatc
04-29-2010, 04:27 PM
Sounds like the Republican National Convention... "lets round up those pesky Ron Paulites and leftie protesters on the streets! They know we are going to do it..."

.

The difference is that we'd gladly go to jail if they threw down that "If you show up we'll arrest you! " gauntlet. We rock.

The illegals would scatter back into the shadows, because they're here illegally.

angelatc
04-29-2010, 04:29 PM
Wait until their landscaping bills and contractor fees double. People without experience doing landscaping or contracting aren't going to have any easier a time finding work, either. Demand for this stuff will drop cause the prices will rise, too.

It will be nice to have some more of this cheap labor here in CA.. I just wish CA would get rid of the welfare state for illegals cause a lot of them will probably end up getting govt. help.

OMG - we're going to have to start mowing our own lawns again??? I have a right to illegal laborers in the summer, don't I?

OH my god - I might miss a couple of hours of posting....oh wait. I have my own natural-born slaves right here. Never mind - I'm good.

NH4RonPaul
04-29-2010, 04:51 PM
This goes to show you when you enforce a law that is ALREADY ON THE BOOKS the problem will take care of itself!

reardenstone
04-29-2010, 05:04 PM
BTW if any more border states pass a similar law, many will leave the country outright or simply head to California, which is rattled by enough debt obligations as it is. It could send that state over the proverbial falls.

Which we hope would spur a revolution against the welfare state.

dannno
04-29-2010, 05:22 PM
OMG - we're going to have to start mowing our own lawns again??? I have a right to illegal laborers in the summer, don't I?

OH my god - I might miss a couple of hours of posting....oh wait. I have my own natural-born slaves right here. Never mind - I'm good.

I'm talking more along the lines of apartment complexes and condominium units who will have to raise their rents.. but they won't be able to because people can't afford it so they will have to forgo spending on maintenance because they will have to pay a lot more for landscaping and contractor services. Not to mention maintenance will now cost more. There are also less renters because many are moving out... Ya.. have fun with that.

MsDoodahs
04-29-2010, 05:49 PM
Hmmmm.

Maybe the apartment complexes will get creative and offer NO RATE INCREASE for those who take a turn doing groundskeeping, and rate increases only for those who don't opt to take such a turn.

:)

Depressed Liberator
04-29-2010, 05:54 PM
THIS LAW IS AMAZING

JESUS HIMSELF DESCENDED UPON EARTH TODAY AND ENDORSED IT

ILLEGAL MEXICANS ARE LEAVING AND DROPPING GOLD DEPOSITS ON THE WAY

WE SUPERPOWER NOW

(blox)

dannno
04-29-2010, 05:54 PM
Hmmmm.

Maybe the apartment complexes will get creative and offer NO RATE INCREASE for those who take a turn doing groundskeeping, and rate increases only for those who don't opt to take such a turn.

:)

There ought to be a law against that ;)

Lord Xar
04-29-2010, 05:58 PM
I'm talking more along the lines of apartment complexes and condominium units who will have to raise their rents.. but they won't be able to because people can't afford it so they will have to forgo spending on maintenance because they will have to pay a lot more for landscaping and contractor services. Not to mention maintenance will now cost more. There are also less renters because many are moving out... Ya.. have fun with that.

This is a lie, and one promoted by the left ALOT.

I find it HILARIOUS that you "libertarians" talk about the free-market and how someone will fill the void, EXCEPT when it's illegal immigrants. lol.

Don't you see the double-talk/standard that you all exhibit?

Contracting out to "american citizens" is not much more than the illegals, if at all. You just have to actual 'look' for your workers instead of going outside and tossing a rock and whomever it hits, you say, "come do my lawn little illegal".....

JeNNiF00F00
04-29-2010, 06:02 PM
This is a lie, and one promoted by the left ALOT.

I find it HILARIOUS that you "libertarians" talk about the free-market and how someone will fill the void, EXCEPT when it's illegal immigrants. lol.

Don't you see the double-talk/standard that you all exhibit?

Contracting out to "american citizens" is not much more than the illegals, if at all. You just have to actual 'look' for your workers instead of going outside and tossing a rock and whomever it hits, you say, "come do my lawn little illegal".....

Someone will fill the void but prices will probably go up as a result. I guess we will see what happens.

LibForestPaul
04-29-2010, 06:03 PM
Contracting out to "american citizens" is not much more than the illegals, if at all. You just have to actual 'look' for your workers instead of going outside and tossing a rock and whomever it hits, you say, "come do my lawn little illegal".....

yes exactly glad you understand

nbhadja
04-29-2010, 06:23 PM
Arizona Illegals are deporting themselves!

:)

Sweet music to my ears :)