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FrankRep
04-26-2010, 02:06 PM
The Big Question: Does Arizona's immigration law go too far? (http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/civil-rights/94311-the-big-question-does-arizonas-immigration-law-go-too-far)


The Hill
April 26, 2010


Some of the nation's top political commentators, legislators and intellectuals offer insight into the biggest question burning up the blogosphere today.


John F. McManus, president of the John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/), said:


Any discussion of the new law in Arizona must begin with awareness of the federal government's deficiencies. The U.S. Constitution clearly assigns the federal government the responsibility to protect the states "against invasion." (See Article IV, Section 4.) If that duty were being faithfully being carried out, there would be no need for the recently passed law in Arizona.

Note that the Constitution didn't say "military invasion," just invasion. And the millions who have broken our laws and inundated our country constitute an invasion.

Arizona is one of the states hardest hit by illegal immigration. A large percentage of its crime wave, welfare and medical care costs, narcotics problem, etc. is traceable to the border crossers. What is Arizona supposed to do — just sit back and allow all of this to continue to occur, even get worse? How else to deal with the situation when practically no help comes from those assigned to cope with the problem?

I met a U.S. citizen recently who served with the U.S. Army in Iraq soon after that conflict began. He told me his unit was given the responsibility of sealing the border between Syria and Iraq. He added, "We did it, and if we could do that at the Syria-Iraq border, it can be done at our nation's southern border." What's missing is the will to do the job. This missing will should be a topic for discussion.

Oklahoma enacted tough laws against hiring illegal immigrants when it became obvious that a federal law enacted to target this problem wasn't being enforced. What happened in Oklahoma? Many of the illegal immigrants fled the state. States that take legislative action to deal with this enormous problem should be applauded. Critics will insist that Arizona has gone too far. Why don't they aim their barbs at the federal government for not going far enough?


Justin Raimondo, editorial director of Antiwar.com (http://www.Antiwar.com/), said:


The idea that we can roll back illegal immigration at this late date is naive. Years of lax enforcement of immigration laws, and several amnesties, have created a situation in which the American southwest has essentially been reconquered by Mexico, and that's the plain (albeit politically incorrect) truth. Now they suddenly want to start checking IDs -- but it's far too late for that. What will they do with the millions of illegals? Deport them all back to Mexico?

I have to say, however, that the cries of liberals who scream "racism" at the slightest provocation, and are yapping about how this creates a "police state" in Arizona, are a bit hard to take. For years, it seems, we've been told by this crowd that we should be "more like Europe." Why, the Europeans have universal government-run healthcare! America is the only developed country in the Western world that doesn't. So why can't we be more like them? Well, I'd like to know which European country doesn't patrol its borders and stop suspected illegals in the streets: "Your papers, please" is a phrase often heard in those parts. And of course the reason why is precisely the extensive social welfare system that exists over there: they have to keep costs down and can't afford to subsidize everyone in the world.

So, if you don't want cops stopping you in the mall and asking you for your papers just because you have a deep tan, then stop kvetching about how come we aren't more like Europe -- please!

Stary Hickory
04-26-2010, 02:10 PM
Well either eliminate welfarism or get hard on illegal immigration. But we can not have both welfarism and open borders. This must end. The initiators of force are those using the welfare system the defensive response is what AZ has done.

If you do not like the forceful response against the initiation of force.....then stop or prevent those from using force in the first place. This is cause and reaction. I have really grown tired of people presenting one side of the equation. Kill the welfare state and then immigration is a non issue.