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amy31416
04-26-2010, 10:19 AM
Republican Governors Pay Homage To Guy Fawkes

A few years back, two left-leaning writers, Andy and Lana Wachowski, adapted the story of Guy Fawkes, a Catholic radical who is remembered primarily for his failed attempt, on November 5, 1605, to blow up the Houses of Parliament and kill King James I. The Wachowski brothers movie, V for Vendetta, made Fawkes the hero and presented the British crown as an oppressive dictatorship that was meant to echo, at least in technique, certain aspects of the administration of George W. Bush, down to the hooded prisoners, the orange jump suits and the unapologetic embrace of harsh interrogation techniques.

The meaning of Fawkes is, of course, not fixed. The Wachowski brothers' retelling of the Fawkes' story was later embraced by libertarian supporters of Ron Paul. During the 2008 campaign, "Remember, Remember The Fifth of November" became a rallying cry for Paul boosters, who shared at least some of the revolutionary fire of both Fawkes and the Wachowskis. On November 5, 2007, Guy Fawkes Day, Paul supporters raised more than $4 million online.

Now, the Fawkes mythology has come full circle. The Republican Governors Association has embraced the symbolism of Fawkes, launching a rather striking website, RememberNovember.com, with a video that showcases far more Hollywood savvy than one can usually expect from Republicans. Again, the Fawkes tale has been twisted a bit. This time, President Obama plays the roll of King James, the Democratic leadership is Parliament, and the Republican Party represents the aggrieved Catholic mass.

The politics and substance aside, this strikes me as a remarkable bit of political messaging, not just for its cinematic quality. The RGA, under the control of Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, is clearly stepping out of the stodgy, safe territory it normally inhabits. It is aiming to tap into the vast well of anti-government fury now coursing through the nation. Who would have guessed that Barbour would embrace the symbolic value of the same would-be mass murderer as the Wachowski brothers?

One other note, RGA message wizards have intentionally not circulated this video on YouTube or made an embed version of it publicly available. (Swampland asked for, and was granted, special dispensation.) They want people to view it on their site, RememberNovember.com, in the hopes of building a grassroots army.

UPDATE: I notice quite a bit of electronic dust this post has stirred up on the interwebbing. A couple points: First, as I suggest in the post, the tale of Fawkes has been so thoroughly appropriated by so many that it is just not right to associate the latest appropriators with the intent of the original criminal in 1605. The RGA is not calling for a violent uprising here. It is tapping into well-established online anti-government memes. (Remember 1984.) The Wachowski brothers, who were themselves referencing a comic book adaptation of the Fawkes story, were not calling for violence when they made their movie. Ron Paul supporters were not calling for violence when they decided to raise $4 million in 2007. To suggest that this is what the RGA is doing now is, it seems to me, overly simplistic and inflammatory. Second, there has been some speculation in the comments that the RGA fed me the Fawkes reference. They did not. But the connection is not exactly a stretch for anyone who has closely followed Republican politics online (and yes, here I am counting Paul as a Republican). Aside from the Remember November refrain, the classical music, the near-apocalyptic crises messages, the suggestions of totalitarian intent, the imagery of Castro and marching soldiers, the sound of a ticking clock all points to a well established online narrative, where Fawkes thrives as a sort of folk hero for all ideologies. These sorts of videos are made to go viral. They are intended to be edgy, provocative. They are meant to tap into running passions, online story lines. This one is very successful at accomplishing its viral mission.

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/04/23/republican-governors-pay-homage-to-guy-fawkes/?xid=rss-topstories#ixzz0mDvC0jSP



This is the website: http://remembernovember.com/

And I truly doubt it has much to do with the principles we espouse, and it just smacks of propaganda to me, more Republicans posturing that they truly hold conservative values.

Video at the website is very slick, obviously professionally produced.

evilfunnystuff
04-26-2010, 10:32 AM
The video isn't bad but doesn't hold a candle to the stuff that comes out of Ron's grassroots supporters.

Jamsie 567
04-26-2010, 10:36 AM
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amy31416
04-26-2010, 10:44 AM
Are you serious?

Who would of thought my crazy idea from 2007 would go main stream BWAHAHAHA....

Remember, remember the 5th of November :)

Brings to mind one of my favorite phrases:

"This is so crazy, it just might work!"

But seriously, it was obviously a great idea, and we need to come up with a strategy to turn this "co-opting" thing around on them...

Have any other crazy ideas? :p

Matt Collins
04-26-2010, 11:06 AM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=241657

Ethek
04-26-2010, 11:07 AM
I love how they quote a statist president to fight the identity of another statist president.
They want people to pledge to a statism of 'republican' good intentions.

The grassroots army they hope to attract will be governed by those principled in the r3volution. Not directly, but indirectly because a comprehensive philosophy of true liberty is irrefutable. It will be looked to by example. It will not be people the RGA will be able to dictate too. The leaders will know principle enough to see that republican statism will lead down the same road as Obama.

Jamsie 567
04-26-2010, 11:16 AM
xx

Kotin
04-26-2010, 11:20 AM
Why pay homage to someone who would hate you?

Lol nice try governors :rolleyes:

amy31416
04-26-2010, 11:23 AM
Wow what a time this was...

We all had crazy ideas from spam, blimps, riding our bikes across the USA... lol

I think we can come up with something. I am totally open to shut this down and use the momentum to work in our favor. If you have any ideas shoot them over :)

You are so right this could totally back fire on them...

I will be thinking on it...

Remember, remember the 5th of November, part II, aka..."we're back!" or "Oh hell no!"

One thing's for certain, we need to be out there, in droves. They're kicking our people out of tea parties for handing out Constitutions.

This can not be the legacy of our grassroots movement.

Jamsie 567
04-26-2010, 11:54 AM
xx

damiengwa
04-26-2010, 11:55 AM
Whats next? GOP co-opts militia movement: Calls for overthrow of political establishment....

hahah!

amy31416
04-26-2010, 12:04 PM
I am getting some stunning visuals don't tempt me haha...

We need a purpose to do it though... As you know that is the premise of all Money Bombs create the idea and make it a double edge sword. November 5th was a mace in that sense lol.

If Ron Paul runs in 2012 and we need to raise money this is the day to do it :)

Were back " thousands of people wearing Ron Paul masks!! LOL

Yeah, if we know RP is running, that's a no-brainer in regards to donations to the campaign--but you're right, a double-edged sword to essentially emasculate the "sunshine" patriots who support an allegiance to big government, so long as it's the GOP who's screwing them over.

Given the political atmosphere these days, we could pull off something major. Perhaps even a sea-change of sorts if we do it right.


Whats next? GOP co-opts militia movement: Calls for overthrow of political establishment....

hahah!

lol, naw, we're just a convenient vehicle for the GOP's return to the status quo, for now.

The question is, will we allow ourselves to be used that way?

Ninja Homer
04-26-2010, 12:15 PM
I've been thinking about how to take back the Tea Party movement, and I think the answer is the same here... Ron Paul needs to announce his candidacy for 2012. Then we'll easily take it over in both numbers and excitement, and we also get the benefit of all the marketing dollars that they've put into trying to co-opt the movement from the top down.

Ron might as well plan a big announcement whether he wants to run again or not. Either way, I think he's still going to have a lot of people campaigning for him, and we'll probably still get him on the GOP primary ballot in all 50 states, so he might as well just run with it. :D