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DAFTEK
04-25-2010, 07:26 PM
Just got this email! Obama fans let me hear you make some noise...:p



If this is true, we are in trouble, in more ways than one.

Something every home owner should be made aware of!






They will fight for this just as they are fighting for their corrupt healthcare.



Better start replacing that roof and those windows and heating system and ………



Don't want to be bothered with "Political stuff?" You'd better read this one. It will come as a huge shock to you if you aren't informed as to what Obama is up to, and apparently it has already passed one hurdle. It will take very little now to put it into actual law!! YOU'D BETTER WAKE UP AMERICA !!!! So you think you live in a free country, boy have you got a surprise coming.

A License Required for your HOUSE?

If you own your home you really need to check this out. At the end of this email is the Google link to verify. If the country thinks the housing market is depressed now, wait until everyone sees this; no one will be buying homes in the future.

We encourage you to read the provisions of the Cap and Trade Bill that has passed the House of Representatives and being considered by the Senate. We are ready to join the next march on Washington ! This Congress and whoever on their staffs that write this junk are truly out to destroy the middle class of the U.S.A ....

A License will be required for your house...no longer just for cars and mobile homes....Thinking about selling your house. Take a look at H.R. 2454 (Cap and Trade bill). This is unbelievable! Only the beginning from this administration! Home owners take note & tell your friends and relatives who are home owners!

Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Cap and Trade Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act. H.R. 2454, the "Cap & Trade" bill passed by the House of Representatives, if it is also passed by the Senate, will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced.



The Congressional Budget Office (supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per year. No one is excluded. However, once the lower classes feel the pinch in their wallets, you can be sure these voters get a tax refund (even if they pay no taxes at all) to offset this new cost. Thus, you Mr. And Mrs. Middle Class have to pay even more since additional tax dollars will be needed to bail out everyone else..

But wait. This awful bill (that no one in Congress has actually read) has many more surprises in it. Probably the worst one is this: A year from now you won't be able to sell your house. Yes, you read that right.


The caveat is (there always is a caveat) that if you have enough money to make required major upgrades to your home, then you can sell it. But, if not, then forget it. Even pre-fabricated homes ("mobile homes") are included. In effect, this bill prevents you from selling your home without the permission of the EPA administrator.



To get this permission,you will have to have the energy efficiency of your home measured. Then the government will tell you what your new energy efficiency requirement is and you will be forced to make modifications to your home under the retrofit provisions of this Act to comply with the new energy and water efficiency requirements.



Then you will have to get your home measured again and get a license (called a "label" in the Act) that must be posted on your property to show what your efficiency rating is; sort of like the Energy Star efficiency rating label on your refrigerator or air conditioner. If you don't get a high enough rating, you can't sell.



And, the EPA administrator is authorized to raise the standards every year, even above the automatic energy efficiency increases built into the Act. The EPA administrator, appointed by the President, will run the Cap & Trade program (AKA the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009") and is authorized to make any future changes to the regulations and standards he/she alone determines to be in the government's best interest. Requirements are set low initially so the bill will pass Congress; then the Administrator can set much tougher new standards every year.

The Act itself contains annual required increases in energy efficiency for private and commercial residences and buildings. However, the EPA administrator can set higher standards at any time. Sect. 202 Building Retrofit Program mandates a national retrofit program to increase the energy efficiency of all existing homes across America.



Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act. You had better sell soon, because the standards will be raised each year and will be really hard (I.e., ex$pen$ive) to meet in a few years. Oh, goody!



The Act allows the government to give you a grant of several thousand dollars to comply with the retrofit program requirements IF you meet certain energy efficiency levels. But, wait, the State can set additional requirements on who qualifies to receive the grants. You should expect requirements such as "can't have an income of more than $50K per year", "home selling price can't be more than 125K", or anything else to target the upper middle class (and that's YOU) and prevent them from qualifying for the grants.



Most of us won't get a dime and will have to pay the entire cost of the retrofit out of our own pockets. More transfer of wealth, more "change you can believe in." Sect. 204 Building Energy Performance Labeling Program establishes a labeling program that for each individual residence will identify the achieved energy efficiency performance for "at least 90 percent of the residential market within 5 years after the date of the enactment of this Act."

This means that within 5 years 90% of all residential homes in the U.S. must be measured and labeled. The EPA administrator will get $50M each year to enforce the labeling program. The Secretary of the Department of Energy will get an additional $20M each year to help enforce the labeling program. Some of this money will, of course, be spent on coming up with tougher standards each year...

Oh, the label will be like a license for your car. You will be required to post the label in a conspicuous location in your home and will not be allowed to sell your home without having this label. And, just like your car license, you will probably be required to get a new label every so often - maybe every year.



But, the government estimates the cost of measuring the energy efficiency of your home should only cost about $200 each time. Remember what they said about the auto smog inspections when they first started: that in California it would only cost $15.



That was when the program started. Now the cost is about $50 for the inspection and certificate; a 333% increase. Expect the same from the home labeling program. Sect. 304 Greater Energy Efficiency in Building Codes establishes new energy efficiency guidelines for the National Building Code and mandates at 304(d) that 1 year after enactment of this Act, all state and local jurisdictions must adopt the National Building Code energy efficiency provisions or must obtain a certification from the federal government that their state and/or local codes have been brought into full compliance with the National Building Code energy efficiency standards.

CHECK OUT Just a few of the sites;


Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home http://www.nachi.org/forum/ (http://www.nachi.org/forum/f14/cap-and-trade-license-required-your-home-44750/)f14/cap-and-trade-license-required-your-home-44750/

HR2454 American Clean Energy & Security Act: http://www.govtrack.us/ (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2454)congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2454

Cap & Trade A license required for your home: http://www.prisonplanet.com/ (http://www.prisonplanet.com/cap-and-trade-a-license-required-for-your-home.html)cap-and-trade-a-license-required-for-your-home.html

Cap and trade is a license to cheat and steal:
http://www.sfexaminer.com/ (http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/columns/oped_contributors/Cap-and-trade-is-a-license-to-cheat-and-steal-45371937.html)opinion/columns/oped_contributors/Cap-and-trade-is-a-license-to-cheat-and-steal-45371937.html
Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home: http://www.freerepublic.com/ (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2393940/posts)focus/news/2393940/posts

Thinking about selling you House? Look at HR 2454:

http://www.federalobserver (http://www.federalobserver.com/2009/10/01/thinking-about-selling-your-house-a-look-at-h-r-2454-cap-and-trade-bill/).com/2009/10/01/thinking-about-selling-your-house-a-look-at-h-r-2454-cap-and-trade-bill/





www.google.com/search?hl=en& (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=A+License+required+for+your+home-+Cap+and+Trade&btnG=Google+Search)source=hp&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=A+License+required+for+your+home-+Cap+and+Trade&btnG=Google+Search

torchbearer
04-25-2010, 07:33 PM
i thought cap and tax was grounded?

Kotin
04-25-2010, 07:36 PM
i thought cap and tax was grounded?

but you have heard that the EPA plans to enforce it anyway, right?


thats why they went through so much trouble to declare carbon dioxide a deadly gas..

lynnf
04-25-2010, 07:36 PM
Just got this email! Obama fans let me hear you make some noise...:p


I think Joe Stack, the Austin IRS plane guy, already gave them an answer for this.

but of course, if they want the whole country to look like Detroit, and it seems they
may, they may get it.

lynn

awake
04-25-2010, 07:37 PM
The EPA route is tantamount to Obama direct rule.

rancher89
04-25-2010, 07:37 PM
From what I understand, no matter what we say or do, they want us to upgrade our homes before we sell them.

It may not end up in the cap n trade bill, but it will keep popping up.

they want this very much....

awake
04-25-2010, 07:41 PM
"they want us to upgrade our homes before we sell them"

They want the good time to keep rolling, house flipping and over production fueled by reckless credit expansion. They want to force you to act like its 2006 - pre housing bubble times.

peacepotpaul
04-25-2010, 09:19 PM
I'm sorry, a license for a house? how is that different than having to have a deed or title of ownership? is this saying that a person needs to be trained and permitted to buy a house (not just anybody with money)?

torchbearer
04-25-2010, 09:20 PM
I'm sorry, a license for a house? how is that different than having to have a deed or title of ownership? is this saying that a person needs to be trained and permitted to buy a house (not just anybody with money)?

i think its more a certificate to say your house meets government standards. so, in order for you to sell it, you will need to spend $50,000 in "green" upgrades to government sanctions dealers.

peacepotpaul
04-25-2010, 09:21 PM
i think its more a certificate to say your house meets government standards. so, in order for you to sell it, you will need to spend $50,000 in "green" upgrades to government sanctions dealers.

or else what? you need to abandon it, give it up. or give it away?

torchbearer
04-25-2010, 09:30 PM
or else what? you need to abandon it, give it up. or give it away?

you can't sell it legally i guess.

TruckinMike
04-25-2010, 09:57 PM
I hope they pass it. It may finally start waking up the cud chewing masses.
https://images1a-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/sf?f=8ecffb69e81bbc84f9e3e48840cfb8de.jpg&anticache=727922

TMike

Zippyjuan
04-25-2010, 10:04 PM
When it starts "I got this in an email" I am immediately suspicious. They are usually just to stir people up and get them scared. Like those "death panels" on the healthcare issue. Politics of fear. As seen by the reactions here, it works. People assume it is true. I disagree with Cap and Trade but this is not the reason to dislike it.

Urban Legend's look at it:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/a/cap_and_trade_2.htm

CLAIM: Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Cap and Trade Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act.

STATUS: FALSE. I've scoured Section 202 of the bill ("Building Retrofit Program"), which supposedly contains this mandate, and found nothing of the kind. Basically, this section lays out the details of a program whereby the federal government will help states provide financial assistance for local governments to conduct cost-effective energy-saving retrofits. Nowhere does it stipulate that owners of existing homes must comply with efficiency standards or obtain a "license" to sell their homes. In point of fact, the House Energy and Commerce Committee's own summary of Section 202 states: "Nothing would require a homeowner to audit or retrofit their home to ensure that it meets building code requirements."

CLAIM: H.R. 2454, the "Cap & Trade" bill passed by the House of Representatives, if also passed by the Senate, will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced. The Congressional Budget Office (supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per year.

STATUS: FALSE. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that implementation of of H.R. 2454 would result in federal expenditures costing the average household $175 per year beginning in 2020 (CBO projects little or no cost to the average taxpayer before that).

CLAIM: Sect. 204 - Building Energy Performance Labeling Program establishes a labeling program that for each individual residence will identify the achieved energy efficiency performance.... You will be required to post the label in a conspicuous location in your home and will not be allowed to sell your home without having this label.

STATUS: FALSE AS STATED. Section 204 does provide for the development of a voluntary (for states) energy performance labeling program, but only for new buildings constructed after the legislation is enacted. It states that labeling information must be "accessible to the public in a manner so that owners, lenders, tenants, occupants, of other relevant parties can utilize it," which doesn't necessarily translate to "You will be required to post the label in a conspicuous location in your home." And, as before, the committee summary of Section 204 explicitly states: "Nothing would require a homeowner to audit or retrofit their home to ensure that it meets building code requirements."

CLAIM: Sect. 304 - Greater Energy Efficiency in Building Codes establishes new energy efficiency guidelines for the National Building Code and mandates at 304(d) that 1 year after enactment of this Act, all state and local jurisdictions must adopt the National Building Code energy efficiency provisions or must obtain a certification from the federal government that their state and/or local codes have been brought into full compliance with the National Building Code energy efficiency standards.

STATUS: TRUE.

Anti Federalist
04-25-2010, 10:35 PM
I hope they pass it. It may finally start waking up the cud chewing masses.
https://images1a-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/sf?f=8ecffb69e81bbc84f9e3e48840cfb8de.jpg&anticache=727922

TMike

It won't do shit.

Mass already does this in many places, requiring either the buyer or seller to spend thousands on "green improvements" before a transaction can take place.

A good friend of mine got caught up in a bureaucratic SNAFU of immense proportions over something just like this.

He and his wife inherited a home on Cape Cod. They wanted to rent it for summer rentals. Before they could do that and get approval from the town, they had to refit the oil heat system's tanks with double walled, spill proof, non venting, "green" tanks that had to meet an obscure ISO and UN code.

OK fine, except for one problem, there was no US manufacturer or dealer of foreign tanks that could supply a set of tanks that would be in compliance with this new town edict.

It took over a year of waivers, fights, town meetings, variances and so forth, and he still had to get the tanks replaced (there was nothing wrong with the old ones)
at a cost of thousands of dollars.

Boobus lets the government tell him everything from how much water his toilet can have to how many thousands of people must be killed who "hate your freedoms". He accepts every bit of it with bovine stupidity and credulity. If a cop came to his house and said it was "the law" that the cop rape his wife while he watched, he'd thank him for it.

Boobus ain't gonna do shit.

squarepusher
04-25-2010, 11:23 PM
i never found mass emails to be the most accurate depictions of political events

BuddyRey
04-25-2010, 11:48 PM
I can't believe this is happening in America!

Wait...sure I can.

peacepotpaul
04-26-2010, 01:33 AM
It won't do shit.

Mass already does this in many places, requiring either the buyer or seller to spend thousands on "green improvements" before a transaction can take place.


I guess it's akin to "smog check" before you're allowed to sell your car