Ron Paul will take us back to the stone age!

[Reason]

Help me come up with the best response for this guy or join in on the thread yourself if you want! :cool:

http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/126409-video-ron-paul-stands-up-chris-matthews-4-22-10-a.html#post2403938


Okay I'm convinced this man will send us back to the stone age. So he wants crippled, handicapped, and old people to simply save up their own money or move in with family?

Here's a scenario for you ronpaul, Someone works hard his whole life as carpenter, gets injured, has no family or friends to care for him, so according to libertarians(another lib i cant stand ;)) this man shrivels up and dies right? okay (*)(*)(*)(*) you guys than you will never get the support of the GOP. What happend to good old fashioned conservatives.
The right is left with libertarian wackjobs, RINOs and other people who are NOT conservative. The reason ron paul would never get elected is because he's asking the people to elect him. The people who are old, handicap, are never going to vote for him because he threatens to put them out on the streets.

Just for humor, I wonder what Ron Paul, the great (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s stance on unemployment insurance is.

[spudea]

that guy is completely lost and believes people are too stupid to plan for themselves.

[specsaregood]

While I think it is pointless to argue with retards, ask him who counts as


What happend to good old fashioned conservatives?

[MelissaWV]

What they do now is turn to a charity.

Of course, the largest and most accessible charity is the Government.

Most of the people whining along these lines have never actually been on the street and gotten help through organizations and charities, and their first stop would be to get Foodstamps and any welfare they could remotely qualify for.

Shelters, churches, food pantries, and other such places are a far better resource. In fact, churches do something pretty awesome in that they can prevent you from ending up on the street :p I was pretty close to being that way a second time, and the church's gas vouchers kept me getting to and from work. Without that, I would have been unemployed, which then only worsens the situation. The almighty Government does not, to the best of my knowledge, offer a program like that. If they did, I'm sure it would have taken far longer than ten minutes to get the voucher and gas. In case you're wondering how it works, the church basically writes an IOU-style check, and you go to the gas station right next door to them (with which the church has an understanding) and your gas amount (predetermined) is added to their tab. The Government didn't need to get involved, and it worked very well.

Food pantries don't just give you electronic dollars, which is how EBT works. EBT does not monitor what you get, but simply uses a ridiculous formula to determine how much you are eligible for in benefits. You can buy Ramen noodles, or you can buy fresh lobster. This is not to say I think EBT should track purchases, but by contrast food pantries and churches give you a bag of ingredients and often a small giftcard to the grocery store to supplement them with fresh items. This could mean a massive box of cereal, some canned tuna, various kinds of veggies, and so on... and $20 with which to buy milk and eggs and butter and bread and produce. Food kitchens do more, as they provide hot meals. The versions of the aforementioned that work best are not Government-involved ventures.

Unemployment INSURANCE, by the way, should be just that. It should be a voluntary (companies can choose to participate and pass along a small portion of the cost to workers, too) program where you are a contributor and, if something happens, you draw a certain percentage of your wage back for a certain amount of time. This isn't anti-libertarian, and the person posting is just looking foolish for the fun of it.

[Bern]

When socio-economic collapse happens thanks to the Fed destroying the dollar, don't blame Ron Paul - even if he is the President.

[jclay2]

The implied assumption in this argument is that Government is perfectly capable of compassionate activities yet the people which make the up the government aren't? Every time someone makes an idiotic claim like this, stating that the old and crippled would be left for dead in the street without the welfare state, are making a pretty sick assumption about their fellow neighbors/community. Do they honestly think everyone would all of a sudden turn into a greedy bastard who wouldn't help when there was a real need? There was a time before in our history (when we had far less wealth) where people were cared for (gasp) without government.

[tmosley]

He knows nothing about Ron Paul. He has specifically said on many occasions that he would not simply drop the entitlement programs that people depend on. They would be phased out slowly, and people would be allowed to save for themselves. By cutting spending elsewhere, especially on regulation and enforcement, this is achievable.

His argument is asinine.

[jclay2]

He knows nothing about Ron Paul. He has specifically said on many occasions that he would not simply drop the entitlement programs that people depend on. They would be phased out slowly, and people would be allowed to save for themselves. By cutting spending elsewhere, especially on regulation and enforcement, this is achievable.

His argument is asinine.

Too bad by the time the politicians get to cutting, the country will be in economic collapse.

[emazur]

The carpenter should purchase disability insurance, which in a truly free market would not be expensive.

[raiha]

We need a "Ron Paul for Dummies" book or "The Idiot's Guide to Ron Paul."

People are so ready to believe their own preconceived misconceptions. Sigh!

[tmosley]

Too bad by the time the politicians get to cutting, the country will be in economic collapse.

That is a distinct possibility, but I'm keeping hope alive.

[lx43]

The carpenter should purchase disability insurance, which in a truly free market would not be expensive.

Amen, for most people, they are their biggest asset and to not insure that asset is downright crazy, stupid, and ill advised.

[DamianTV]

"Democracy cannot last as a permanent
form of government. As soon as the citizen know that they can
vote money out of the public coffers the majority will always
vote for the candidate that will give them the most money.
And the civilization will fall from fiscal irresponsibility."

Alexander Tyler

The people that youre arguing with are so hopelessly dependant on the "system" to take care of them, that they no longer have any incentive to take any form of responsibility for their own fates. They sincerely believe they have the right to deprive everyone else of their prosperity for their own purposes.

Take a look at Russia. The people there are still so hopelessly dependant on the system that, as I understand it, the majority of the cititzens there would rather go back to communism than to put forth the effort of establishing a free and prosperous society. It is always easier to take from someone else by use of force of the government than to reap the benefits that a person can have for themselves, even if their own prosperity would allow them to do a hundred times more than a system of socialism would allow them to have.

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The "Ron Paul will send us back to the Stone Age" comment...

Tell them to let them have it their way. Just be careful of what they wish for. When they deprive everyone else of everything they have rightfully earned, no one will contribute and the real wealth, weatlth being which is a persons ability and desire to do better themselves, will be so completely exhausted, that there wont be anything left for anyone.

Seriously? Why should I try? Why should I work if every thing that I earn goes to pay for illegal immigrants, unconstitutional wars, banking bonuses, and I am left with nearly nothing, why should I even bother? Why should I continue to try? WHy should I continue to care? WHy dont I just give up and let Big Brother take care of me too, like everyone else? Then, who pays the bills? Where does that money come from? Thin air? How long will money like that hold its value? When that happens, how long until everyone else completely gives up?

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Personal Note: I am seriously starting to believe my own devil's advocate arguments. I almost believe that we are so hopeless that the only way we will ever see freedom again is to allow society to completely collapse and hope that a new seed of hope can be planted for future generations. The current ones are so damaged by everything that people currently think, believe and do, that anyone who would take responsiblity for themselves has that responsibility forcibly taken away and replaced with a socialistic society.