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idirtify
04-22-2010, 08:31 AM
CNN reports that psychedelic drugs are not just for hippies anymore and that some doctors say they are good medicine. Well duh! But no less than 40 years after doctors ALREADY knew they were extremely effective in a clinical therapeutic setting – yet were claimed to have NO medical value and were made a schedule-one prohibited substance – they remain the MOST illegal of all drugs.

Bruno
04-22-2010, 08:43 AM
CNN reports that psychedelic drugs are not just for hippies anymore and that some doctors say they are good medicine. Well duh! But no less than 40 years after doctors ALREADY knew they were extremely effective in a clinical therapeutic setting – yet were claimed to have NO medical value and were made a schedule-one prohibited substance – they remain the MOST illegal of all drugs.

True. Studies have show success in treating alcoholism with LSD.

A study with psychedelic mushrooms a few years ago found it cause no harm and ranked among users as one of the most incredible experiences of their lives.

Dreamofunity
04-22-2010, 08:59 AM
LSD cured my major depressive disorder, but also presented symptoms of other things. Had it been done under trained supervision it might have worked the wonder without the negative side effects.

Same with MDMA, if people could do that with a trained therapist, they could work out all their problems in a few sessions.

idirtify
04-22-2010, 09:02 AM
True. Studies have show success in treating alcoholism with LSD.

A study with psychedelic mushrooms a few years ago found it cause no harm and ranked among users as one of the most incredible experiences of their lives.

Translated, the study shows “EXTREME medical value”. As if many millions of users over many decades of use didn’t already know this. Never underestimate the power of collective fear to change fact.

Prediction: said class of drugs will remain illegal for at least the next decade. Look… “Hooked: Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way” widely informed the public a decade ago that Marijuana prohibition was always a sham, but it remains prohibited nonetheless.

idirtify
04-22-2010, 09:07 AM
LSD cured my major depressive disorder, but also presented symptoms of other things. Had it been done under trained supervision it might have worked the wonder without the negative side effects.

Same with MDMA, if people could do that with a trained therapist, they could work out all their problems in a few sessions.

That’s right. These drugs are quite sensitive to set and setting. But that’s never been a real hindrance to their extreme medicinal value. Many things (that are not schedule one) are best used in a controlled environment. In fact, if anything, their prohibition has served to INSURE that they are mainly used in an uncontrolled setting.

Dreamofunity
04-22-2010, 09:14 AM
also:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=241272

noxagol
04-22-2010, 09:20 AM
Interesting.


That’s right. These drugs are quite sensitive to set and setting. But that’s never been a real hindrance to their extreme medicinal value. Many things (that are not schedule one) are best used in a controlled environment. In fact, if anything, their prohibition has served to INSURE that they are mainly used in an uncontrolled setting.

Absolutely yes.

silentshout
04-22-2010, 10:15 AM
I hope these brave doctors are able to continue this effort. I agree with previous posters that these drugs could be very beneficial if used in a controlled setting.

ClayTrainor
04-22-2010, 10:20 AM
A study with psychedelic mushrooms a few years ago found it cause no harm and ranked among users as one of the most incredible experiences of their lives.

Yup, here's an interview of one of the doctors in that study, for anyone interested.

YouTube - Mushrooms and Spirituality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT-M5Iu5FpY)

idirtify
04-22-2010, 11:15 AM
Yup, here's an interview of one of the doctors in that study, for anyone interested.

YouTube - Mushrooms and Spirituality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT-M5Iu5FpY)

Yeah well the good doctor's courage seems to dwindle at the end. More than 40 years and billions of experiences prove that this class of drugs is no more dangerous than many things as legal as beer.

God forbid something that influences behavior should be legal! :eek:

Spider-Man
04-22-2010, 11:27 AM
Let us not pretend that psych drugs are not harmful. The fact is introducing chemicals like that into the neuro system is unnatural and, while it may be effective in treating certain isolated problems, it will invariably introduce a whole host of other problems.

If you want to treat depression, sleep regularly, eat healthy, and exercise.

dannno
04-22-2010, 11:47 AM
Let us not pretend that psych drugs are not harmful.

Used properly I'd argue they are pretty damn harmless, and in fact the benefits outweigh any negative effects, if there are any, from proper usage. That is what these studies have shown.

Did you miss the part about the the majority of people saying that their mushroom experience was the top 5 experiences of their entire life?




The fact is introducing chemicals like that into the neuro system is unnatural

LOL I am willing to bet you've never done shrooms. Mushrooms are perfectly natural and have been used by mankind for thousands of years. That in itself doesn't make them 'safe', but they are most certainly natural.




and, while it may be effective in treating certain isolated problems, it will invariably introduce a whole host of other problems.

If you want to treat depression, sleep regularly, eat healthy, and exercise.

What exactly is this host of other problems?

What if these substances help get somebody past something in their lives so that they can feel renewed, and perhaps will help their sleeping habits, get them to eat healthier and be more active? That sounds like a whole host of goodness to me.. and that's one list of things that shrooms did for me, so overall very effective.

Uriel999
04-22-2010, 11:48 AM
Let us not pretend that psych drugs are not harmful. The fact is introducing chemicals like that into the neuro system is unnatural and, while it may be effective in treating certain isolated problems, it will invariably introduce a whole host of other problems.

If you want to treat depression, sleep regularly, eat healthy, and exercise.

and also don't forget to live a little. Get outside and go for a walk in a park, pull out the grill and invite friends over for a bbq, get out of your daily routine!

speciallyblend
04-22-2010, 11:52 AM
CNN reports that psychedelic drugs are not just for hippies anymore and that some doctors say they are good medicine. Well duh! But no less than 40 years after doctors ALREADY knew they were extremely effective in a clinical therapeutic setting – yet were claimed to have NO medical value and were made a schedule-one prohibited substance – they remain the MOST illegal of all drugs.

yeah i posted this the other day but your title was funnier;)

Bruno
04-22-2010, 12:00 PM
Let us not pretend that psych drugs are not harmful. The fact is introducing chemicals like that into the neuro system is unnatural and, while it may be effective in treating certain isolated problems, it will invariably introduce a whole host of other problems.

If you want to treat depression, sleep regularly, eat healthy, and exercise.

'splain please :)

ClayTrainor
04-22-2010, 01:49 PM
Let us not pretend that psych drugs are not harmful. The fact is introducing chemicals like that into the neuro system is unnatural and, while it may be effective in treating certain isolated problems, it will invariably introduce a whole host of other problems.

It's good to be skeptical, but if you consider the research that has already been done, it's hard to argue that there is much a risk factor to individuals that use something like Mushrooms or DMT, in a controlled state.

In terms of them being natural for your mind, DMT is actually produced by your brain naturally on a daily basis. It is the single most powerful psychedelic known to man. Also, Psilocybin (active ingredient in magic mushrooms), is very closely related to DMT.

O-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine



If you want to treat depression, sleep regularly, eat healthy, and exercise.

This is certainly true, but some people (like myself) can get into a vicious cycle that's very hard to break. You'll make pathetic excuses to not do those things, but your ego usually bullshits itself to protect you from laying the blame on yourself.

In my experience, If you try to bullshit and lie to yourself about your own behavior while on shrooms, your trip will begin to get dark and ugly. When you start being more honest with yourself, the trip becomes very enjoyable and enlightening immediately. In my opinion, it really helps clear up your perspective on your life.

idirtify
04-22-2010, 02:55 PM
Let us not pretend that psych drugs are not harmful. The fact is introducing chemicals like that into the neuro system is unnatural and, while it may be effective in treating certain isolated problems, it will invariably introduce a whole host of other problems.

If you want to treat depression, sleep regularly, eat healthy, and exercise.

Far from “unnatural”, it’s very likely that we humans have been consuming these types of drugs for the bulk of our evolutionary history. Far from “introducing problems”, it was probably our main therapy for the bulk of our evolutionary history. But speaking of “introducing problems”, God only knows the amount of individual and societal problems that directly result from suddenly being deprived of our primary psychological nutrient.