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Agorism
04-21-2010, 04:55 PM
PPP polling of N.H. (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NH_421.pdf)


PRESIDENT – NEW HAMPSHIRE – GOP PRIMARY (PPP)
Mitt Romney 39%
Sarah Palin 13%
Newt Gingrich 11%
Mike Huckabee 11%
Ron Paul 7%
Tim Pawlenty 1%
Haley Barbour 1%
Rick Santorum 1%


Not bad, not great

nate895
04-21-2010, 05:02 PM
It's worse than he did in 2008. If he actually went to New Hampshire, though, he might get a boost from that.

Old Ducker
04-21-2010, 05:13 PM
7%? Unbelieveable. God people Republicans are stupid.

Anti Federalist
04-21-2010, 05:15 PM
Reflective yet again of the staid, establishment, Faux News watching crowd that is the NH GOP.

This is why Ron needs to announce now, not later.

It'll require some work to overcome that bias.

sofia
04-21-2010, 05:24 PM
neo-cons 93%
Ron Paul 7%

GOP is lost.....best scenario is for Ron to make some waves...and then run...or support ...a serious 3rd alternative.

independents are our only hope, Repubs are just as stupid as O-bots.

Anti Federalist
04-21-2010, 05:49 PM
Then again, in the middle of 2007, Paul was polling at 0-1 and McLame was polling around 13-14 percent.

http://www.pollster.com/polls/nh/08-nh-rep-pres-primary.php

KramerDSP
04-21-2010, 05:57 PM
It's not very encouraging, but so far, Paul is averaging 8%, give or take two percentage points. It's not too bad. I sincerely believe that we need to get the Democrats and Independents in droves for RP to have a fighting shot.

nate895
04-21-2010, 06:04 PM
What needs to happen for Ron Paul to win is to keep his national polling in the double digits beyond the first couple of debates, while putting his focus on Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina (he should have enough resources from the grassroots to do all three) so that he can put those three in the bag and with huge momentum he could win Super Tuesday, sealing the deal so to speak.

KramerDSP
04-21-2010, 06:05 PM
5% of women support him compared to 10% of men, so that's an area where we will have to continue to make inroads towards.

The nice thing appears to be that age wise, Ron Paul's support is pretty consistent. Maybe he should stop saying "the young people" love this idea.

Kotin
04-21-2010, 06:09 PM
how could anyone who is even moderately conservative consider voting for Mitt "Obama Care at The State Level" Romney?!


wtf is going on? how did he swindle all of these people.. is it foxnews?? wtf..


Mitt Romney is a lot of things... none of them are conservative.

I am getting really tired of hearing from this motherfucker.. he should be kicked out of the party with the rest of the neocons.

KramerDSP
04-21-2010, 06:10 PM
how could anyone who is even moderately conservative consider voting for Mitt "Obama Care at The State Level" Romney?!

wtf is going on? how did he swindle all of these people.. is it foxnews?? wtf..

Mitt Romney is a lot of things... none of them are conservative.

I am getting really tired of hearing from this motherfucker.. he should be kicked out of the party with the rest of the neocons.

It's crazy. Romney? 40% of the vote in New frigging Hampshire?

People said Rasmussen leans Right. Does PPP lean left?

nate895
04-21-2010, 06:11 PM
how could anyone who is even moderately conservative consider voting for Mitt "Obama Care at The State Level" Romney?!


wtf is going on? how did he swindle all of these people.. is it foxnews?? wtf..


Mitt Romney is a lot of things... none of them are conservative.

I am getting really tired of hearing from this motherfucker.. he should be kicked out of the party with the rest of the neocons.

Because Romney pays attention to NH. A lot of people in NH don't vote for political reasons so much as for the fact that they personally saw candidate X 10 times, when they saw candidate Y 9 times.

nate895
04-21-2010, 06:14 PM
People said Rasmussen leans Right. Does PPP lean left?

Usually they do. Rasmussen is better than PPP usually as far as bias, but they usually overestimate the support of minor contenders. I remember one of their polls put him at around 15% in Georgia a week before Super Tuesday, and he wound up with 5%.

Epic
04-21-2010, 07:38 PM
Romney is WAY too high.

speciallyblend
04-21-2010, 08:14 PM
7%? Unbelieveable. God people Republicans are stupid.

yep, the fact is the gop will not win if they continue down the road they are on..they better wise up soon or they will alienate themselves.

people have had enough of the BIGOVGOP, NOBIGGOVGOPINMYTEA;) if they are not Selling Liberty i do not want their product!!! i am over the stale expired products the gop is trying to sell me!!!

specsaregood
04-21-2010, 08:23 PM
It's not very encouraging, but so far, Paul is averaging 8%, give or take two percentage points. It's not too bad. I sincerely believe that we need to get the Democrats and Independents in droves for RP to have a fighting shot.

Yup, need to get all the activist dems to register republican and vote for him. Shouldn't be all that hard since there shouldn't be much of any dem primary. The downside being they might go for Romney since he basically is one.

Annihilia
04-21-2010, 08:27 PM
yep, the fact is the gop will not win if they continue down the road they are on..they better wise up soon or they will alienate themselves.

people have had enough of the BIGOVGOP, NOBIGGOVGOPINMYTEA;) if they are not Selling Liberty i do not want their product!!! i am over the stale expired products the gop is trying to sell me!!!

I feel like we've been saying this forever...

jake
04-21-2010, 09:05 PM
how could anyone who is even moderately conservative consider voting for Mitt "Obama Care at The State Level" Romney?!


wtf is going on? how did he swindle all of these people.. is it foxnews?? wtf..


Mitt Romney is a lot of things... none of them are conservative.

I am getting really tired of hearing from this motherfucker.. he should be kicked out of the party with the rest of the neocons.

i don't know what it is, I think hes just a 'default' choice for a lot of Republians - they will get a wakeup call when the elections roll around and they realize how much Mitt sucks.

ChaosControl
04-21-2010, 09:15 PM
What is with the Mitt Romney love anyway?

FreedomRings
04-21-2010, 09:23 PM
The nice thing appears to be that age wise, Ron Paul's support is pretty consistent. Maybe he should stop saying "the young people" love this idea.

This is a great point! Seniors, working people, firefighters, the military, etc. all support Ron Paul, but those who don't know much about him and occasionally see him on TV probably write him off as a fad among college kids. He can easily fix this if he starts emphasizing his broad support. Obama was great at this... every day he had another sob story about some person he heard from that lots of voters could identify with.

Ron Paul needs to become a champion for preserving Social Security for our seniors by ending the overseas empire. An alliance with a group like the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare (http://www.ncpssm.org/) would do wonders to make it socially acceptable for seniors to come out for him. Or maybe someone should start a group called "Seniors for Ron Paul".

tremendoustie
04-21-2010, 10:08 PM
Then again, in the middle of 2007, Paul was polling at 0-1 and McLame was polling around 13-14 percent.

http://www.pollster.com/polls/nh/08-nh-rep-pres-primary.php (http://www.pollster.com/polls/nh/08-nh-rep-pres-primary.php)

Yep. And given that he turned that 1% into 6% in the later polls, logically, the 7% will be 42% by election time :cool:

Eroberer
04-22-2010, 01:47 AM
Lots of people from Mass. moving to NH would be my guess.

Why do people move to greener pastures only to want it as it was?

furface
04-22-2010, 08:12 AM
The revolution will not be democratic. The majority has now enslaved the minority. It's up to the small minority of people who actually do anything useful in our society to ignore the aggression of the majority and do their own thing.

Brian Defferding
04-22-2010, 08:21 AM
It's worse than he did in 2008. If he actually went to New Hampshire, though, he might get a boost from that.

Exactly what I thought. And that was one of my main complaints about Ron Paul's Presidential run. He visited NH a few times, sure, but McCain visited that state much more. You have to get a presence there and start speaking.

But Ron Paul isn't running for President right now, and unlike Mandate Mitt, he doesn't come off as someone that intends to run again.

kahless
04-22-2010, 08:26 AM
It is clearly a rigged poll. With all the information that is out there about how Socialist Romney is I find it hard to believe he is the front-runner in this poll.

The battle going forward should be to expose the corruption in all these polls that show Romney on top including working with other campaigns to expose it. We also need to get to know the IT people on the inside of news organizations that perform these polls. All we need is a few whistle blowers to make this news and put an end to the mass corruption in polling.

UtahApocalypse
04-22-2010, 08:32 AM
Ahhh yes NH home of the FSP and such a bastion for liberty.

TonySutton
04-22-2010, 08:32 AM
I question the overall validity of this poll based on the fact RP received ZERO votes in the 18-29 age group.

Is it possible that a majority of RP fans in NH are Independents and as such were not polled?

paulitics
04-22-2010, 08:41 AM
Paul underperformed in 2008 there as well. If he achieved double digits, it could have really boosted his campaign.

freshjiva
04-22-2010, 09:22 AM
That's it. I'm tired of hearing how "independent" New Hampshire is. Where's the proof? If a guy like Romney has such massive support there, that's anything but independent. Ron Paul's poor showing in 2008 is another example as to how non-independent NH really is.

NH is quickly becoming a lost cause, just like the other 49 States, but I still have hope for Iowa and Texas.

Anti Federalist
04-22-2010, 09:53 AM
That's it. I'm tired of hearing how "independent" New Hampshire is. Where's the proof? If a guy like Romney has such massive support there, that's anything but independent. Ron Paul's poor showing in 2008 is another example as to how non-independent NH really is.

NH is quickly becoming a lost cause, just like the other 49 States, but I still have hope for Iowa and Texas.

Remember, this poll was of REPUBLICAN voters, likely to vote in the primary.

The NH GOP base is as hidebound and clueless as the GOP base mostly anywhere else.

If you don't think it will still be an huge struggle and uphill battle, then you need to think again.

It will be just as tough as 07-08, maybe even worse, since the system will now recognize RP as a real threat and stop at nothing to shut him down.

Don't think for second this is going to be a cakewalk, just because Ron's been getting a lot of face time on TV.

FSP-Rebel
04-22-2010, 12:40 PM
The NH GOP is very conservative on in-state matters. For instance: our lack of state income/sales taxes, lax gun laws, no helmet/seat belt laws, no mandatory auto insurance. On a national view though, many of them still have the security mindset. There's lots of rich folk up here and the majority of them reside in the GOP and are at the helm of it. Many haven't felt the economic downturn like the average person has and thus hasn't budged much on the security aspect of the GOP aisle. However, I think Romney can be folded here if we repeatedly hit him on the Mass health care scheme and his lack of support for better Mass firearms laws.

The NH Tea Party/GOP is really anti-Mass right now, they're even passing out "Take Back NH" bumper stickers at every rally. And the govt health care issue is at the top of their list. There's opt out legislation going through our state house as we speak.

We just really need Ron to spend a lot of time here and get to meet a lot more of the GOP voters. He has to touch base with them and not let the national media pundits define his views. NH's Independent voters are a higher % than either the dems or reps. Assuming Obama isn't primary'd, all the dems and independents will be paying attention to the GOP primary, and that is good for Paul.

Also regarding NH activists, there is quite a big % that are anarchists/voluntarists/agorists that typically don't vote or involve themselves in politics in any way. They are mostly outside-the-system activists that help the cause in different ways. And lately, I'd say half of the movers to NH via the FSP have been a-politicos.

tremendoustie
04-22-2010, 12:48 PM
Remember, this poll was of REPUBLICAN voters, likely to vote in the primary.

The NH GOP base is as hidebound and clueless as the GOP base mostly anywhere else.

If you don't think it will still be an huge struggle and uphill battle, then you need to think again.

It will be just as tough as 07-08, maybe even worse, since the system will now recognize RP as a real threat and stop at nothing to shut him down.

Don't think for second this is going to be a cakewalk, just because Ron's been getting a lot of face time on TV.

I'd like to point out that NH has open primaries, and more than a third of the state is independent, so a poll of republicans is really not that helpful ...

I'd also like to point out that FSP success is measured in civil disobedience, state house members, and lobbying organizations, not general populace percentage. 1000 activists is 0.1% of the state -- but 1000 activists, who are willing to devote time, energy, and money to the cause, can have a huge impact, because 99.7% of people are not willing to do these things.

TinCanToNA
04-22-2010, 12:49 PM
All the non-neocons that have woken up from the Bush Daze have fled from the GOP. Ron Paul cannot win a national GOP primary under those conditions. Yeah, lots of folks are warming to his message, but they aren't Republicans anymore...

libertygrl
04-22-2010, 01:12 PM
What is with the Mitt Romney love anyway?

He's pretty. It may sound shallow but for a lot of people looks trump over truth. That's the American way. If it's wrapped in a pretty package it sells. The dude looks presidential.

Anti Federalist
04-22-2010, 08:38 PM
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Theocrat
04-22-2010, 08:40 PM
PPP polling of N.H. (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NH_421.pdf)




Not bad, not great

Hmmm... I thought New Hampshire was the engine of the "Free State Project." Maybe they aren't so free, after all...

Michigan11
04-22-2010, 10:44 PM
I give Ron alot more credit as a politician than I did in his primary, after watching his campaign end, and his campaign for liberty begin, while he soaked up media appearances and further spread his message.... he is a genius in strategy. He is looking at strategy from 30,000 feet above, most don't see that, well maybe people here and his supporters... Remember this, when you think otherwise. Rand Paul is going to be part of the bigger picture if the time comes for Ron to run, but so will the pressence Ron is gaining. Ron Paul Baby! An Army of supporters is building.

nate895
04-22-2010, 10:50 PM
All the non-neocons that have woken up from the Bush Daze have fled from the GOP. Ron Paul cannot win a national GOP primary under those conditions. Yeah, lots of folks are warming to his message, but they aren't Republicans anymore...

That doesn't mean they don't vote in the GOP primary. Lots of people who call themselves "Independent Conservatives" or "Conservative Independents" are really Republicans ashamed of the label.

nate895
04-22-2010, 10:51 PM
I give Ron alot more credit as a politician than I did in his primary, after watching his campaign end, and his campaign for liberty begin, while he soaked up media appearances and further spread his message.... he is a genius in strategy. He is looking at strategy from 30,000 feet above, most don't see that, well maybe people here and his supporters... Remember this, when you think otherwise. Rand Paul is going to be part of the bigger picture if the time comes for Ron to run, but so will the pressence Ron is gaining. Ron Paul Baby! An Army of supporters is building.

Move up the Kentucky primary, baby!

dr. hfn
04-22-2010, 10:52 PM
WTF is the FSP doing?!

Fox McCloud
04-22-2010, 10:55 PM
I really don't understand the appeal to Romney--he's hardly a fiscal conservative and he's extremely hawkish on foreign policy, even by neocon standards; even Bush wasn't as "let's go after Iran NOW!" as he is.

nate895
04-22-2010, 10:58 PM
I really don't understand the appeal to Romney--he's hardly a fiscal conservative and he's extremely hawkish on foreign policy, even by neocon standards; even Bush wasn't as "let's go after Iran NOW!" as he is.

Because he's got the image. He's just looks like you should vote for him.

Fox McCloud
04-22-2010, 11:05 PM
Because he's got the image. He's just looks like you should vote for him.

if people are going to vote for someone because of that level of shallowness, we definitely get what we deserve >_<

nate895
04-22-2010, 11:11 PM
if people are going to vote for someone because of that level of shallowness, we definitely get what we deserve >_<

We have already gotten much more than we deserve.

Anti Federalist
04-22-2010, 11:26 PM
if people are going to vote for someone because of that level of shallowness, we definitely get what we deserve >_<

We are getting just what we deserve and have been for decades now, in spades, no wisecrack intended.

Anti Federalist
04-22-2010, 11:29 PM
WTF is the FSP doing?!

Doing what they can, when they can.

They've actually been pretty effective at some local level issues.

But face it folks, we're still a very small minority when it comes right down to it.

Especially among the rank and file GOP.

FSP-Rebel
04-23-2010, 10:21 AM
The super vast-majority of liberty activists here are primarily concerned with in-state issues, both politicos and non-politicos. I might be one of the only such activists that hangs out here and has eyes set on the national liberty movement. Very few of us are currently supporting national liberty candidates financially while most politicos are solely focused on taking back the NH state house from the dems. As a side note, I can't tell you the amount of heat I take for supporting Rand, many here call him a fascist thug... I'm not kidding. Ron is still well liked though and I think that activists will start getting serious about his potential campaign after the Nov elections.

TinCanToNA
04-23-2010, 01:24 PM
That doesn't mean they don't vote in the GOP primary. Lots of people who call themselves "Independent Conservatives" or "Conservative Independents" are really Republicans ashamed of the label.

I really hope you're right, but we shall see...

Galileo Galilei
04-23-2010, 01:39 PM
I really don't understand the appeal to Romney--he's hardly a fiscal conservative and he's extremely hawkish on foreign policy, even by neocon standards; even Bush wasn't as "let's go after Iran NOW!" as he is.

Romney is already spending alot of money in NH.

TortoiseDream
04-23-2010, 03:04 PM
wow...NH fail

John Taylor
04-23-2010, 03:27 PM
7%? Unbelieveable. God people Republicans are stupid.

And yet they keep reelecting Ron every two years... and yet they gave Ron the win at CPAC... and are supporting Rand in KY and many Hoststtler in INdiana..,. so stupid...

tremendoustie
04-23-2010, 03:28 PM
if people are going to vote for someone because of that level of shallowness, we definitely get what we deserve >_<

We don't deserve it ...

If they want slimeballs in suits to run their lives, that's their choice, but I'd appreciate it if they'd leave me out of their cult.