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bobbyw24
04-20-2010, 10:53 AM
Because she was born in Chicago, Karen Peisker never imagined her bosses at United Parcel Service would suddenly question her right to legally work in the country.

But last month, an electronic employee verification system flagged the truck driver for possible identity fraud because she had been using her married name, Rivera, on her driver's license since 2007. Though Peisker joined the company in 1985, it put her at risk of being fired until she proved she was who she said she was.

"I couldn't believe it," said Peisker, 50, who repeatedly had to show up to work with her birth certificate, marriage license and U.S. passport until the confusion was cleared up.

Not uncommon, such problems with the federal E-verify software system — intended to pluck illegal immigrants out of the work force — have led to proposals for a more wide-reaching solution that could be as culturally transformative as it is controversial. Until recently, it also might have seemed as futuristic as a movie thriller.

Two U.S. senators prominent in immigration reform efforts have proposed that all Americans be issued biometric Social Security cards, containing data from either a fingerprint or retinal scan to help employers determine whether the holder is legal.

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In explaining the only current bipartisan reform proposal, Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., has called such a high-tech Social Security card "a linchpin" in efforts to win support in Congress for fixing an immigration enforcement system that many agree is broken. Immigrant advocates are pushing for action on immigration reform this year, and the Obama administration has expressed support, though many analysts doubt the current political climate is conducive.

While details are still sketchy, Schumer and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., have proposed that the new Social Security card be swiped by employers through a machine to match a fingerprint or some other personal biometric feature against data stored on computers. Those who refuse to cooperate or otherwise knowingly hire unauthorized workers would face fines and even prison.

Privacy groups call the idea chilling, and costly. Last week, 44 organizations sent a letter of protest to the White House and both senators, arguing that implementation of a biometric card could cost "hundreds of billions of dollars."

Chris Calabrese, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, labeled the proposal a form of "mission creep" that would pull the country down a dangerous path.

"We think that card would quickly spread to other purposes, from voting to gun ownership to travel, and it will really be a permission slip for participating in American life," Calabrese said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-identity-immigration-reform-new-20100418,0,1577617.story

paulitics
04-20-2010, 11:06 AM
While details are still sketchy, Schumer and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., have proposed that the new Social Security card be swiped by employers through a machine to match a fingerprint or some other personal biometric feature against data stored on computers. Those who refuse to cooperate or otherwise knowingly hire unauthorized workers would face fines and even prison

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-identity-immigration-reform-new-20100418,0,1577617.story

Uh dumbasses. The employers hire illegals under the table because they know the laws won't be enforced and they can get away with not paying payroll taxes.

They don't ask for an ID, and they won't when the orweillian system is in place. The government will not crack down on employers who don't scan the illegals, just like they don't now.

Do you really think the illegals present the employer with a false ID and fill out the appropriate paperwork now? How dumb do they think we are?

free1
04-20-2010, 11:55 AM
You can get a better idea of what they are really doing if you watch this short video:
YouTube - The Story of Your Enslavement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A)

For more info after that, see this thread:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=239938

Zippyjuan
04-20-2010, 12:46 PM
"We need to do something to stop illegal immigration."
So how do you seperate the illegal population from the legal population?
An ID?
"But if I have to carry an ID, that is an imposition on my liberty!"
Choices.

"Dont' give them jobs or benefits and they will leave."

So how do you decide who is and isn't elgible for benefits?
Show an ID perhaps?

"Employers have too many burdens on them- let's get rid of laws which tell them what to do".
"But don't let them hire illegals".
So how do they know who they can hire or who they can't? Or should they be able to hire whomever they want at whatever salary the worker is willing to accept- a fee market? Including legal and illegal?

MelissaWV
04-20-2010, 12:51 PM
"We need to do something to stop illegal immigration."
So how do you seperate the illegal population from the legal population?
An ID?
"But if I have to carry an ID, that is an imposition on my liberty!"
Choices.

"Dont' give them jobs or benefits and they will leave."

So how do you decide who is and isn't elgible for benefits?
Show an ID perhaps?

"Employers have too many burdens on them- let's get rid of laws which tell them what to do".
"But don't let them hire illegals".
So how do they know who they can hire or who they can't? Or should they be able to hire whomever they want at whatever salary the worker is willing to accept- a fee market? Including legal and illegal?

This has already been addressed a number of times. The only documentation relating to citizenship one should have to have is either a birth certificate or a notice indicating you have come to the USA legally (immigration papers). Those could be asked for at the start of a job to ensure that only legal citizens are employed. Forged documents would be treated like any other variety of fraud.

That's not meant to put forth an opinion on the subject, but it really isn't that difficult to verify citizenship in this way. If there is a question about the veracity of a document, one could contact the hospital (birth certificate) or the immigration office (immigration documents) to confirm. Many businesses would want to conduct this audit on their own to make sure their advertising is accurate (if they're saying they hire American) or other reasons.

If we're talking a global free market, then yes the point is moot. If we're just talking about the reality of the situation, then there are simple ways to check citizenship.

free1
04-23-2010, 09:13 PM
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