This has been nagging me and I want resolution to this v. RP2012

[Akus]

There is a good chance that Ron Paul will try the Presidency one more time in 2012. There is another good chance that Jesse Ventura will try to run as an independent in that year as well.

All of you that do not like Ventura and want to argue why he sucks, please go away. This thread is not about JV. This is about us losing yet another election because having two out of the mainstream personalities, however you feel about them, will dilute the vote.

What are we going to do if GOP actually let Ron Paul win the primaries (yeah, right, I'm holding my breath) and JV decides to run on the independent ticket? This board is full of supporters of both and if we do what we did in '08, disintegrated the instant Ron Paul hung it up in the GOP convention in Houston, we will simply have a 2 term Obama.

What can we do not to let that happen and how can we consolidate our collective strength?

[Icymudpuppy]

Invite Jesse to be Ron's VP, or have RP win the GOP nomination, only to diss them, and announce he will support Jesse's independent bid, or something else. There are a lot of ways this could play out, but I think having two anti-war fiscal conservatives running simultaneously would force the liberals to go on defensive, and Obama would totally lose the anti-war crowd.

[evilfunnystuff]

If Ron secures the gop nomination and Ventura runs against him things will get very nasty for Ventura who approves of national healthcare and has said the US need more socialism.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Obama already lost the anti-war crowd.

For the primaries, JV vs Paul is a non-issue. If Paul wins the primary, I'm sure the liberal media will give JV a lot of coverage, else they will ignore him. That could be a problem. In the big picture it's a win, as it breaks the R/D monopoly of who is a viable candidate worthy of attention. What's not considered here is how many votes would JV steal from Obama?

-t

[Spider-Man]

Are we seriously discussing Jesse Ventura? Seriously?

[fj45lvr]

we won't "lose" due to ventura....

we don't have a chance to win regardless of ventura unless things in the country get much worse economically and with the fiat currency.

Half the voting populous leans socialist-statist and the other half of the voting populous is 50% neo-con "fascists"....

The democrat "left" isn't likely to jump ship to Liberty anytime soon as these people generally cheer on government interventions and think our problems exist because we don't have enough of them. with that being the case Ron cannot win the presidency. let alone ever win the GOP nomination.

Ron running for president is HUGE though, because it "educates" the masses and forces the ideas to leave the spectrum of the elite's control of ideas.

[givemeliberty]

Ventura is having too much fun surfing and writing books. He only wants to influence the election. He will not run.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Ventura is having too much fun surfing and writing books. He only wants to influence the election. He will not run.

Sure he will. He's got a massive ego and besides, Obama make 5 Mil last year, mostly from book sales. He'd run just to get rich.

-t

[emazur]

I don't think Jesse will run in 2012, but don't you think that if RP got the GOP nomination that Jesse would drop out of the race and throw all his weight behind Paul? That would be ideal actually, b/c I think if Jesse did run in 2012 he'd gather a LOT of support, and shifting that support over to Paul would make for huge headlines and an unstoppable Paul election.

If I recall correctly, the Constitution Party offered to withdraw from the race if RP got nominated in 2008, and I'm not sure if the Libertarians made the same offer (they probably would have) but I recall Wayne Allyn Root saying he would step down from VP nominee if Paul wanted to take his place on the LP ticket. I think I saw a thread in the Rand forum that the 3rd parties cleared the way for him

[tangent4ronpaul]

One would hope he would, though I seem to remember someone asking him a couple of years ago if he would consider a Paul/Ventura ticket and he came back saying "maybe a Ventura/Paul ticket"...

Like I said MEGA ego!

Don't know who's is bigger - his or Obama's.

-t

[Akus]

Are we seriously discussing Jesse Ventura? Seriously?

Yes we are. He can seriously run for the President and he has enough bodies to get there.

[Akus]

Yes we are. He can seriously run for the President and he has enough bodies to get there.

excuse the pun :)

[gls]

I doubt he'll run unless a third party just "gives" him their nomination, which is very unlikely. At least that's what he demanded last time around. Then again maybe he'll do it if he thinks it will help him sell more books, since that is all he seems to care about.

[Deborah K]

What about a ticket? Just asking....

[AlexMerced]

There is a good chance that Ron Paul will try the Presidency one more time in 2012. There is another good chance that Jesse Ventura will try to run as an independent in that year as well.

All of you that do not like Ventura and want to argue why he sucks, please go away. This thread is not about JV. This is about us losing yet another election because having two out of the mainstream personalities, however you feel about them, will dilute the vote.

What are we going to do if GOP actually let Ron Paul win the primaries (yeah, right, I'm holding my breath) and JV decides to run on the independent ticket? This board is full of supporters of both and if we do what we did in '08, disintegrated the instant Ron Paul hung it up in the GOP convention in Houston, we will simply have a 2 term Obama.

What can we do not to let that happen and how can we consolidate our collective strength?

I'm not gonna slam JV, but at the end of the day, Ron's the better man and I wouldn't doubt JV would move aside in General Election with Ron Paul.

Let's get Ron past the primaries first and go from their