Pulling for anyone in the UK elections?

[cmasslibertarian]

The Lib Dems' dedication to civil liberties is nice, but they are way too pro-EU. The UKIP is really eurosceptic, but far from libertarian. Labour and the Tories seem worse better than your average R and D here. What do you guys think?

[Cowlesy]

John Derbyshire remarked in his "Radio Derb" show this week that there's barely any difference between all three main parties (Lib Dems/Labour/Tories). Daniel Hannan in UKIP is great, but I really don't believe that Britons want a free society given how much liberty they've turned over to the State.

I mean they have micro-chips in trash-cans, kids are encouraged to rat on their parents by the State, cameras on every corner. I still believe they are the unwitting test-case for an Orwellian society. The left would scoff at such an assertion, but the facts speak for themselves.

[No1ButPaul08]

John Derbyshire remarked in his "Radio Derb" show this week that there's barely any difference between all three main parties (Lib Dems/Labour/Tories). Daniel Hannan in UKIP is great

Daniel Hannan is a conservative, not UKIP. Nigel Farage is UKIP

[ChaosControl]

From the debates, they all seemed pro-EU and pro-state.

I don't know that there is any difference between them, its just like our R and D. Just goes to show the political system in place ultimately makes no real difference, corruption always rises to the top.

[james1906]

The Lib Dems' dedication to civil liberties is nice, but they are way too pro-EU. The UKIP is really eurosceptic, but far from libertarian. Labour and the Tories seem worse better than your average R and D here. What do you guys think?

I wish the Tories would make Daniel Hannan (their Ron Paul) PM.

The Lib Dems would hopefully withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan, but they would still bankrupt the country with even more socialism, as if the UK doesn't have enough. Further, they'd likely push to go on the Euro, meaning Greece's problems are now theirs.

The UKIP has a few flaws, but I'd love to see them make some gains.

[Cowlesy]

Daniel Hannan is a conservative, not UKIP. Nigel Farage is UKIP

Holy smokes, since I first heard of him, I thought he was UKIP! :p

I see some people were in fact trying to get him to join UKIP at one point (after looking around google for a bit).

[james1906]

Holy smokes, since I first heard of him, I thought he was UKIP! :p

I see some people were in fact trying to get him to join UKIP at one point (after looking around google for a bit).

Similar to how the Libertarian and Constitution Parties want Ron Paul on their team.

[marc1888]

Marc will be voting for the Scottish National Party :)

[james1906]

Marc will be voting for the Scottish National Party :)

Seeing the independence parties make gains will also be good. Anything to weaken London's power.

[Cowlesy]

To me, it shows the expected track we can expect our politicians to take.

At the risk of having to duck rotten fruit, I politicians are sometimes put in a crappy position. A lot of it, in my opinion, stems from the fact that for so long, citizens have compiled a completely wrong-headed idea of to what a politician is supposed to do.

Politicians have a hard time saying "no." Then again, I think it is somewhat to be expected. But this goes for welfare AND security issue. A family member gets murdered, you go to the politician to get cameras installed.....he is of course going to sympathize and say yes. Or your family member dies of cancer, so you go to the politician to get health research grants and stronger healthcare....is a politician going to tell the family member "no?"

And when the politician does make the right choice and does in fact say "no," well then the angry voter leverages the shared feelings of other citizens to demonize the politician, get them voted out of office, and install someone who will say "yes." All the while, they don't feel any financial burden as it is other people's money that they are spending.

We need politicians who have the guts to stand up to the most gut-wrenching tales, and just say "NO."

[Anti Federalist]

I mean they have micro-chips in trash-cans, kids are encouraged to rat on their parents by the State, cameras on every corner. I still believe they are the unwitting test-case for an Orwellian society. The left would scoff at such an assertion, but the facts speak for themselves.

This picture is not a gag.

http://robstephens.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/watchful_eyes.jpg

[Cowlesy]

This picture is not a gag.

http://robstephens.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/watchful_eyes.jpg

The sad part is, the left, people like Rachel Maddow, would rationalize this as "right-wing paranoia," when in fact they always consider themselves the "champions" of civil liberties.

[Anti Federalist]

The sad part is, the left, people like Rachel Maddow, would rationalize this as "right-wing paranoia," when in fact they always consider themselves the "champions" of civil liberties.

Why is it so difficult for people to see that both are equally guilty? Not so much Maddow since she's just playing a role, but the people that watch or listen.

My god, Obama's record so far on "civil liberties" is as abysmal as Bush's was, if not worse.

But, that's the beauty of the system and how it's organized.

Say what you want, but the enemies of freedom are not dummies, they know how to play to the fears, prejudices and emotions of the masses.

[BuddyRey]

I thought that the Lib/Dems were supposed to be like the UK's version of the Libertarian Party, but it sounds like they aren't even close. I also like a lot of what I hear about UKIP, but I don't really know what they're about philosophically, other than opposing the EU.

Is there no real freedom party over there?

[cmasslibertarian]

There is a UK Libertarian Party, but it just formed a few years ago and has only run a couple candidates. Plus I think they only have about 500 members or so.

[MatM]

In my dream world, UKIP would win the most seats and form a government with the Lib Dems. In the my more realistic dream world, still unlikely, the Tories will win the most seats and narrowly form a government with UKIP.

I'm hoping to see Daniel Hannan eventually become the leader of a party, whether it be the Tories or UKIP.