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Epic
04-14-2010, 08:20 AM
SHOCK POLL: 2012 Presidential Election Match-Up

Barack Obama 42%
Ron Paul 41%

Developing....

http://drudgereport.com/

Left hand side...

CONFIRMED
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41

Thrashertm
04-14-2010, 08:21 AM
WOWEE! I saw the same thing and came in here to crow about it. Awesome!

He's catchin on - I'm telling ya!

Bruno
04-14-2010, 08:22 AM
Wow!!! On Drudge?

Is the ship turning?

Thrashertm
04-14-2010, 08:23 AM
Just in time for tea party day tomorrow.

Fox McCloud
04-14-2010, 08:23 AM
I wouldn't get too excited just yet, until we know where the poll came from.

if its a genuine, authentic poll, then it's a very exciting result.

Agorism
04-14-2010, 08:23 AM
You beat me too it.

This is all the more reason to try to win the Voters Values Summit.

SRLC is giving us positive press. Even if people think it's B.S. and doesn't matter (which it is), it still turns into awesome press.

Brad Zink
04-14-2010, 08:25 AM
This is why the Establishment media has attacked Ron Paul for three years. They know that he would shatter the political paradigm in this country and defeat the Chosen One head-to-head.

Bruno
04-14-2010, 08:26 AM
I wouldn't get too excited just yet, until we know where the poll came from.

if its a genuine, authentic poll, then it's a very exciting result.

True, but unless Drudge later posts that it was a bogus poll, it will be seen by millions that Ron Paul has legitimacy to run against Barack Obama.

AuH20
04-14-2010, 08:27 AM
Numbers aren't that far fetched. Paul could pull 1 out of every 5 democratic voters. Factor in another 1/3 (paleo/libertarian segment) of our every republican voter. And we're not even starting about independents.

Epic
04-14-2010, 08:27 AM
Is this gonna be a reputable poll (like Gallup, Rasmussen, PPP, CBS, FoxNews, ABC... or something nobody has heard of... that is the question)

CNN just had a poll come out yesterday saying that Obama is up 8-13 points vs. all the main candidates.
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/04/13/rel7d.pdf)

radiofriendly
04-14-2010, 08:28 AM
someone make a screenshot now (prntscrn)
http://www.drudgereport.com/

Bruno
04-14-2010, 08:28 AM
Is this gonna be a reputable poll (like Gallup, Rasmussen, PPP, CBS, FoxNews, ABC... or something nobody has heard of... that is the question)

CNN just had a poll come out yesterday saying that Obama is up at least 10 points vs. all the main candidates.

Maybe that is the difference. Was Ron Paul in that poll?

easycougar
04-14-2010, 08:30 AM
:eek:
I just about passed out when I saw this

Lafayette
04-14-2010, 08:30 AM
Careful, the poll may be worded something like " who is weaker on foreign policy?"

or

" If you were a terrorist, who would you pick as US president?"

Some bullshit like that.

Thrashertm
04-14-2010, 08:30 AM
It doesn't matter if the poll is reputable or not - all that matters is that millions of conservatives are seeing the headline.

Remember - the news media often puts some BS on the front page, then issues a retraction weeks later on page 15. All that matters is the headline.

specsaregood
04-14-2010, 08:30 AM
Is this gonna be a reputable poll (like Gallup, Rasmussen, PPP, CBS, FoxNews, ABC... or something nobody has heard of... that is the question)

CNN just had a poll come out yesterday saying that Obama is up at least 10 points vs. all the main candidates.

Sounds like it is the results of the poll referenced here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=240022

In which case it would be Rasmussen.

Bruno
04-14-2010, 08:32 AM
http://i44.tinypic.com/65nztx.jpg

teacherone
04-14-2010, 08:34 AM
jesus...talk about placement!

get ready josh-- up the bandwith!

the storming torchbearers are coming!

teacherone
04-14-2010, 08:37 AM
Bruno--do that again at http://www.rasmussenreports.com/ (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/)

you'll see it front and center!!

WOOOOOOTTTTT

Epic
04-14-2010, 08:37 AM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41

CONFIRMED


While 58% of Mainstream voters favor Paul, 95% of the Political Class vote for Obama.

Obama earns 79% support from Democrats, but Paul gets just 66% of GOP votes. Voters not affiliated with either major party give Paul a 47% to 28% edge over the president.

Thirty-nine percent (39%) of all voters have a favorable opinion of Paul, while 30% view him unfavorably. This includes 10% with a very favorable opinion and 12% with a very unfavorable one. But nearly one-out-of-three voters (32%) are not sure what they think of Paul.

Just 42% of Republican voters have a favorable view of him, including eight percent (8%) with a very favorable opinion. By comparison, 42% of unaffiliated voters regard him favorably, with 15% very favorable toward him.

Similarly, 27% of Republicans see Paul as a divisive force in the party, while 30% view him as a new direction for the GOP. Forty-two percent (42%) aren’t sure.

Twenty-one percent (21%) of voters nationwide regard Paul as a divisive force in the GOP. Thirty-four percent (34%) say he is representative of a new direction for the party. Forty-five percent (45%) are not sure.

teacherone
04-14-2010, 08:40 AM
SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN SHOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

For the tech illiterate!!

Spider-Man
04-14-2010, 08:41 AM
Oh my god, this has to be April Fool's Day, right?

Mortikhi
04-14-2010, 08:41 AM
WOWEE! I saw the same thing and came in here to crow about it. Awesome!

He's catchin on - I'm telling ya!
*points to avatar*

YOU KNOW IT!

teacherone
04-14-2010, 08:42 AM
real deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/design/plain/images/rasmussenLogoHome.gif (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/)




http://www.rasmussenreports.com/design/plain/images/headerPremiumMember.gif (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/premium_service_description)http://www.rasmussenreports.com/design/plain/images/headerButtonLogin.gif (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/premium_content/daily_snapshot)http://www.rasmussenreports.com/design/plain/images/headerButtonSignup.gif (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/premium_service_description)
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/design/plain/images/title_search.gif




BREAKING POLL


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/public_content/home/breaking_poll/48277-3775-eng-US/breaking_poll_teaser.jpg (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41)

Election 2012: Barack Obama 42%, Ron Paul 41% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41)
Pennsylvania Senate: Toomey 50%, Specter 40% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/pennsylvania/2010_senate_election/election_2010_pennsylvania_senate)

LibertyEagle
04-14-2010, 08:43 AM
Now, if Dr. Paul could phrase what he is talking about in terms that the everyday American could understand, he would RUNAWAY with the election.

TheState
04-14-2010, 08:43 AM
Wow


Perhaps tellingly, just 42% of Republican voters have a favorable view of him, including eight percent (8%) with a very favorable opinion. By comparison, 42% of unaffiliated voters regard him favorably, with 15% very favorable toward him..

Epic
04-14-2010, 08:44 AM
For reference, CNN found that Obama leads all other Republican contenders by at least 8 points (and Palin by 13): http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/04/13/rel7d.pdf

Agorism
04-14-2010, 08:46 AM
SRLC and CPAC results clearly matter.

Fox News would be celebrating Sarah Palin Mania right now if she had won SRLC, and we'd have to look at more Rasmussen polling Palin again instead of Ron Paul.

specsaregood
04-14-2010, 08:47 AM
Now, if Dr. Paul could phrase what he is talking about in terms that the everyday American could understand, he would RUNAWAY with the election.


Actually, it appears he is doing just that, from the article:


Ask the Political Class, though, and it’s a blowout. While 58% of Mainstream voters favor Paul, 95% of the Political Class vote for Obama.

Cowlesy
04-14-2010, 08:50 AM
6% of Republicans have strong unfavorables of him.

So that means those loudmouths who hate and hate on the internet about him are those 6%, and the other 94% we can reach.

Bruno
04-14-2010, 08:50 AM
http://i42.tinypic.com/zmxq8j.jpg

Agorism
04-14-2010, 08:50 AM
I keep telling people that Drudge is Ron Paul friendly.

No one believes me because they think his website is supposed to be like the Dailypaul.

teacherone
04-14-2010, 08:51 AM
wow...what a beautiful day.

Bruno
04-14-2010, 08:52 AM
6% of republicans have strong unfavorables of him.

So that means those loudmouths who hate and hate on the internet about him are those 6%, and the other 94% we can reach.

+1776!

cajuncocoa
04-14-2010, 08:52 AM
Pit maverick Republican Congressman Ron Paul against President Obama in a hypothetical 2012 election match-up, and the race is – virtually dead even. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of likely voters finds Obama with 42% support and Paul with 41% of the vote. Eleven percent (11%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided.

Ask the Political Class (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/january_2010/65_now_hold_populist_or_mainstream_views), though, and it’s a blowout. While 58% of Mainstream voters favor Paul, 95% of the Political Class vote for Obama.

But Republican voters also have decidedly mixed feelings about Paul, who has been an outspoken critic of the party establishment.

Obama earns 79% support from Democrats, but Paul gets just 66% of GOP votes. Voters not affiliated with either major party give Paul a 47% to 28% edge over the president.

Paul, a anti-big government libertarian who engenders unusually strong feelings among his supporters, was an unsuccessful candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008. But he continues to have a solid following, especially in the growing Tea Party movement.

Twenty-four percent (24%) of voters now consider themselves a part of the Tea Party movement, an eight-point increase from a month ago (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2010/34_say_they_or_someone_close_to_them_part_of_tea_p arty_movement). Another 10% say they are not a part of the movement but have close friends or family members who are.

(Want a free daily e-mail update (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/daily_updates)? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter (http://twitter.com/RasmussenPoll) or Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Asbury-Park-NJ/Rasmussen-Reports/86959124863?ref=nf%2520).

Thirty-nine percent (39%) of all voters have a favorable opinion of Paul, while 30% view him unfavorably. This includes 10% with a very favorable opinion and 12% with a very unfavorable one. But nearly one-out-of-three voters (32%) are not sure what they think of Paul.

Perhaps tellingly, just 42% of Republican voters have a favorable view of him, including eight percent (8%) with a very favorable opinion. By comparison, 42% of unaffiliated voters regard him favorably, with 15% very favorable toward him.

Twenty-six percent (26%) of GOP voters think Paul shares the values of most Republican voters throughout the nation, but 25% disagree. Forty-nine percent (49%) are not sure.

Similarly, 27% of Republicans see Paul as a divisive force in the party, while 30% view him as a new direction for the GOP. Forty-two percent (42%) aren’t sure.
Among all voters, 19% say Paul shares the values of most Republican voters, and 27% disagree. Fifty-four percent (54%) are undecided.

Twenty-one percent (21%) of voters nationwide regard Paul as a divisive force in the GOP. Thirty-four percent (34%) say he is representative of a new direction for the party. Forty-five percent (45%) are not sure.

But it’s important to note than 75% of Republicans voters believe Republicans in Congress have lost touch with GOP voters (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/january_2010/75_of_gop_voters_still_think_their_legislators_out _of_touch) throughout the nation over the past several years.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41

itshappening
04-14-2010, 08:52 AM
I am SHOCKED !!

Not at the poll but at Drudge running it

Bobster
04-14-2010, 08:52 AM
This is excellent news, but you have to remember that they will spin this as Paul being unelectable. Expect internal polling or other questionable numbers to show all other Republican candidates leading Obama by ridiculous numbers in excess of 7-8%+.

Spider-Man
04-14-2010, 08:52 AM
Rasmussen!

OH GLORIOUS DAY

pacelli
04-14-2010, 08:53 AM
Is this gonna be a reputable poll (like Gallup, Rasmussen, PPP, CBS, FoxNews, ABC... or something nobody has heard of... that is the question)

CNN just had a poll come out yesterday saying that Obama is up 8-13 points vs. all the main candidates.
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/04/13/rel7d.pdf)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41

itshappening
04-14-2010, 08:54 AM
Obama is going down. he is exposed as a war monger criminal to his base

AuH20
04-14-2010, 08:54 AM
I can't wait to hear the howling and subsequent bragadoccio from the Daily Kos and other leftist sanctuaries.

Epic
04-14-2010, 08:55 AM
Wait, how does RP lose to Obama... when RP beats Obama by 20 among independents?

... basically because the republicans didn't commit to RP as much as democrats committed to Obama. If that happened - republicans "coming home" to RP, then RP would have had a significant edge.

Rael
04-14-2010, 08:55 AM
bump

DirtMcGirt
04-14-2010, 08:56 AM
I keep telling people that Drudge is Ron Paul friendly.

No one believes me because they think his website is supposed to be like the Dailypaul.


Drudge just has the perfect formula to get peoples' knickers in a bunch...

DirtMcGirt
04-14-2010, 08:56 AM
Can we handle being the front runner???

If a headline would of said aliens ships land neat Hong Kong, I would have nodded my head and said it was only a matter of time... This poll is one of the last possible conceivable things to happen this am in my mind...maybe in 2011, but not now!!!

Brad Zink
04-14-2010, 08:57 AM
Wait, how does RP lose to Obama... when RP beats Obama by 20 among independents?

... basically because the republicans didn't commit to RP as much as democrats committed to Obama. If that happened - republicans "coming home" to RP, then RP would have had a significant edge.

Republicans will rally behind Ron Paul if he gets the nomination.

itshappening
04-14-2010, 08:57 AM
Drudge has not been that friendly to RP, this is without doubt his best coverage of RP and it came after we complained he was obsessed with neocons

teacherone
04-14-2010, 08:58 AM
Can we handle being the front runner???

fuck yeah we can!

can't wait for the washington machine to be taking marching orders from ron paul and the constitution.

Cowlesy
04-14-2010, 08:58 AM
I continue to consider Drudge the enigma wrapped in a riddle.

Just when someone here thinks they have Drudge all figured out, he goes and gives Ron Paul some positive coverage.

Personally I think Drudge does a great job on civil liberties/privacy stuff.

Love him or hate him, not a day goes by when I'm at a computer that I don't check his site multiple times.

nelsonwinters
04-14-2010, 08:59 AM
This will help put an end to the "Is he electable?" question...

YouTube - Ron Paul - Electability - Censored by Fox 1-10-08 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlacFmRGPgI)

itshappening
04-14-2010, 09:01 AM
I continue to consider Drudge the enigma wrapped in a riddle.

Just when someone here thinks they have Drudge all figured out, he goes and gives Ron Paul some positive coverage.

Personally I think Drudge does a great job on civil liberties/privacy stuff.

Love him or hate him, not a day goes by when I'm at a computer that I don't check his site multiple times.

But you agree that this is his best coverage of RP and its come after we complained about him featuring Gingrich and Liz Cheney (!!!) multiple times

Agorism
04-14-2010, 09:01 AM
When Fox banned Paul form the debates, Drudge came to his rescue. He had Ron Paul wins CPAC on there.

I can't think of other stuff off the top of my head, but I've seen a ton of favorable Paul coverage on his website.

IPSecure
04-14-2010, 09:01 AM
All we need is one debate...

Bruno
04-14-2010, 09:01 AM
Hannity is constantly monitoring Drudge. My guess is that he won't talk about it, or will spin it, but he won't miss it, that's for sure!

http://i43.tinypic.com/29bzy34.jpg

moostraks
04-14-2010, 09:03 AM
wow...makes my heart skip a beat!!! But I am tired of being let down and shall wait for the other shoe to fall on the spin from this.

Cowlesy
04-14-2010, 09:03 AM
But you agree that this is his best coverage of RP and its come after we complained about him featuring Gingrich and Liz Cheney (!!!) multiple times

Drudge is plugged into the internet practically 24/7. It is not unreasonable to assume that Drudge stopped by this site when the CPAC or SRLC results were released to see what RP fans were commenting about in respect to his coverage (or lack thereof).

AuH20
04-14-2010, 09:03 AM
We need to get Ron Paul on that presidential debate stage. Six words that would send the western world into a tizzy!: I WANT TO ELIMINATE THE IRS!

amy31416
04-14-2010, 09:03 AM
Can we handle being the front runner???

I read Drudge and signed on here thinking the same thing...I certainly hope we can, we all have so much riding on it.

And holy crap. Wow. Etc.

teacherone
04-14-2010, 09:04 AM
awesome!

old drudgy has an epic pic on now

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20100410/i/r134920537.jpg?x=301&y=345&q=85&sig=OkztOXVgmHeKE5wkgy5K6Q-- vs http://d.yimg.com/a/p/afp/20100413/capt.photo_1271182424609-1-0.jpg?x=400&y=280&q=85&sig=Ev40t9eTSkNaLpXWCbLV8g--

MRoCkEd
04-14-2010, 09:04 AM
Ron, you need to run!

specsaregood
04-14-2010, 09:05 AM
Wait, how does RP lose to Obama... when RP beats Obama by 20 among independents?
... basically because the republicans didn't commit to RP as much as democrats committed to Obama. If that happened - republicans "coming home" to RP, then RP would have had a significant edge.

Not "republicans", but the "political class" of republicans.

Ask the Political Class, though, and it’s a blowout. While 58% of Mainstream voters favor Paul, 95% of the Political Class vote for Obama.

Spider-Man
04-14-2010, 09:06 AM
This is so epic, I've pissed myself like three times already.

Bobster
04-14-2010, 09:08 AM
New screencap for posterity:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6104/rpepic.png

Edit: That is the most epic picture I've seen of Paul in a while, and I've never seen it. Maybe Drudge had it tucked away for a special occasion?

Johnnybags
04-14-2010, 09:10 AM
to stop that. Paul is already being marginalized again. Repukes would rather a DEM win again. Ron should take the Constitution party route and we get him on the ballot in all states. Rename the Constitution party the Tea Party and the heck with the Romneyites and Palinites.

itshappening
04-14-2010, 09:10 AM
is it a pic from SRLC ?

Bruno
04-14-2010, 09:10 AM
New screencap for posterity:
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6104/rpepic.png

Edit: That is the most epic picture I've seen of Paul in a while, and I've never seen it. Maybe Drudge had it tucked away for a special occasion?

that looks like the lecturn from the SLRC speech. Notice high mic placement some were discussing.

Cowlesy
04-14-2010, 09:11 AM
Going to have to set aside $200 out of tomorrow's paycheck for moneybomb to get on the track for a full $2,500 outlay next year.

brandon
04-14-2010, 09:11 AM
So what do they define as the "political class"?

itshappening
04-14-2010, 09:11 AM
Get saving for moneybombs but i'd argue getting Rand elected is really important

imagine a Sen. Rand Paul helping his dad

Cowlesy
04-14-2010, 09:12 AM
to stop that. Paul is already being marginalized again. Repukes would rather a DEM win again. Ron should take the Constitution party route and we get him on the ballot in all states. Rename the Constitution party the Tea Party and the heck with the Romneyites and Palinites.

Look how many new people were brought in during 2007. (I am one of them).

Think how many more we can get next year and 2012.

That's why I think Ron will run.

It'll be worth it.

rnestam
04-14-2010, 09:14 AM
Wow....Now imagine the actual Republican talking heads got behind him the way they bless Romney and Palin. Paul would be up by 15 points by 2012 if the noise machine got the sheep loving him. Feeling good, not an Ann Coulter fan but even she mentioned she "agrees with everything Paul says except foreign Policy matters, but with the Wars winding down she would back him in 2012..." Now Palin breaking the ice by endorsing Rand. Also, a lot of celebrities that I think were scared to go public last time will not let the opportunity pass again, Imagine Palin, John Mayer, KRS-One, Mel Gibson, Bill Maher, Coulter, Naomi Wolf, Thom Hartmann, Mike Gravel...maybe even Chomsky and other Socialists solely for his foreign policy ALL sounding the horn for our man. Now that's diversity! God, can't wait for 2011. Hopefully a few NEW sitting Congressman as well.

ctiger2
04-14-2010, 09:14 AM
Make sure you click the link so Drudge knows it's popular!

Johnnybags
04-14-2010, 09:14 AM
are the new wave. Someone needs to set it up that knows how. Just like Haiti but maybe 20 bucks on your phonebill. We need to reinvent the wheel again.

..PAUL4PRES..
04-14-2010, 09:15 AM
Will the GOP listen up? Thats the question.

tmosley
04-14-2010, 09:15 AM
Well, my mid and long term outlook for this country just went from 0 to 60%.

With this knowledge, we blow away every bit of that "unelectable" BS. This puts him toe to toe with Obama, and miles ahead of the rest of the republicans.

Looks like the Tea Parties were a good idea after all.

If this keeps up, I might stop construction on my doomsday compound and put the money to productive use.

DirtMcGirt
04-14-2010, 09:16 AM
After reading this headline, I guess all RP supporters can get out of their hibernation basement dwellings for a few minutes today; stretch and get some exercise...:)

amy31416
04-14-2010, 09:18 AM
I'd be truly shocked now if Ron doesn't run.

I'll be brushing off my RP '08 signs and changing it to '12. :)

dean.engelhardt
04-14-2010, 09:20 AM
SHOCK POLL: 2012 Presidential Election Match-Up

Barack Obama 42%
Ron Paul 41%

Developing....

http://drudgereport.com/

Left hand side...

CONFIRMED
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41

Makes sense to me. A growing number of people are not happy with the change Obama brought. At the same time, most people still cannot bear the idea of another Bush neocon in office. The Liberty movement is the only choice by default.

KramerDSP
04-14-2010, 09:21 AM
I knew it! We HAVE to hammer home the fact that ONLY Ron Paul can defeat Barack Obama in 2012!

Spider-Man
04-14-2010, 09:24 AM
Everybody get your Ron Paul 2012 signs ready for the Tax Day Tea Parties.

rnestam
04-14-2010, 09:24 AM
I like the Text Bomb idea...Honestly, I think a "Remember the 5th 2011" or "Tea Party 2011" Site should be up and taking pledges now. Just might get a million pledges, can be promoted at all the tea party events and just the thought of planning it SO far in advance might get media coverage now. Man, excited...!!!

AuH20
04-14-2010, 09:24 AM
I felt obligated to make a thread on the 9/12 project of the fantastic news!:

http://www.the912project.us/forum/topics/rasmussen-bombshell-2012-poll

JamesButabi
04-14-2010, 09:25 AM
Ron paul ron paul ron paul!

Bruno
04-14-2010, 09:26 AM
Run, Ron, Run!

garyallen59
04-14-2010, 09:28 AM
Ron Paul 2012 bumper sticker going on the car as soon as it arrives. i'm ready to get to work!!

JamesButabi
04-14-2010, 09:31 AM
Ron Paul 2012 bumper sticker going on the car as soon as it arrives. i'm ready to get to work!!

I need a good one.....what did you get?

Spider-Man
04-14-2010, 09:34 AM
Ron Paul 2012 bumper sticker going on the car as soon as it arrives. i'm ready to get to work!!

This.

tekkierich
04-14-2010, 09:37 AM
Going to have to set aside $200 out of tomorrow's paycheck for moneybomb to get on the track for a full $2,500 outlay next year.

Seriously... How many of us here can be ready with $2500 in hand, ready for an announcement as early as January 1st?

I'm saving up

Jack Bauer
04-14-2010, 09:39 AM
Epic

amy31416
04-14-2010, 09:40 AM
Seriously... How many of us here can be ready with $2500 in hand, ready for an announcement as early as January 1st?

I'm saving up

Count me in. The only thing I'll miss is participating in the money bombs if I go that route.

Allan Bartlett
04-14-2010, 09:41 AM
Can anyone imagine how huge the first moneybomb is going to be when Ron is running next year? This is going to be epic.

MikeStanart
04-14-2010, 09:42 AM
And so it begins.....

Agorism
04-14-2010, 09:42 AM
Paul should buy twice as many tickets at CPAC and win it by +50% and announce there.

Zack
04-14-2010, 09:46 AM
Seriously... How many of us here can be ready with $2500 in hand, ready for an announcement as early as January 1st?

I'm saving up

I don't think I'll be having that kind of money, but I'll be ready with a donation larger than all I donated over the course of the 2008 campaign. The first bomb will be a record breaker if things don't get messed up by something stupid, like the exploratory campaign not having it's system running smoothly.

aravoth
04-14-2010, 09:47 AM
Well, guess I better get back to work then..

smartguy911
04-14-2010, 09:47 AM
wow wow wow wow

time to slap this on every other forum :-)

itshappening
04-14-2010, 09:48 AM
Spread this far and wide !

dean.engelhardt
04-14-2010, 09:49 AM
Will the GOP listen up? Thats the question.

Excellent question. Paul winning the GOP nomination is much harder than winning the general election.

HOLLYWOOD
04-14-2010, 09:51 AM
For the Record... Preserving the image
http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee332/McLieberman/Ron_Paul_vs_Obama.jpg

AuH20
04-14-2010, 09:53 AM
An Obama supporter just sent me this upon learning of the poll's findings:


Of course not. He sounds really good. Now, have a campaign exposing the views of Paul (Obama's views are already widely known) and we know what the result would be.

In other words, the MSM is going to ride to Obama's rescue and kneecap Paul 'Goldwater' style.

RoyalShock
04-14-2010, 09:57 AM
This is very encouraging and definitely the best I've felt about a presidential liberty candidate since the '08 primaries. However, and although we pretty much already knew this, it shows just how much work needs to be done within the party in order to win the primary.

We really need to use this poll to as a springboard to convincing the GOP'ers that he is electable and more palatable (based on the numbers among independents) than the other clowns.

Folks, get this posted on your social media pages and get it in front of people who usually could not care less.

Chester Copperpot
04-14-2010, 09:57 AM
We need to get Ron Paul on that presidential debate stage. Six words that would send the western world into a tizzy!: I WANT TO ELIMINATE THE IRS!

Yes but we have to educate the America people. Cut the budget down to the level of spending from the year 2000 and bye bye IRS!!

Good bye wealth redistribution, hello liberty.

sailingaway
04-14-2010, 09:58 AM
I don't think I'll be having that kind of money, but I'll be ready with a donation larger than all I donated over the course of the 2008 campaign. The first bomb will be a record breaker if things don't get messed up by something stupid, like the exploratory campaign not having it's system running smoothly.

Not sure if all on first bomb is way to go or not. Keeping some to prime future money bombs might be good too-- I'd have to see how it was going.

amy31416
04-14-2010, 09:59 AM
An Obama supporter just sent me this upon learning of the poll's findings:



In other words, the MSM is going to ride to Obama's rescue and kneecap Paul 'Goldwater' style.

So shall we just roll over? Or shall we gear up for this and counter it--we know it's coming.

sailingaway
04-14-2010, 10:00 AM
This is very encouraging and definitely the best I've felt about a presidential liberty candidate since the '08 primaries. However, and although we pretty much already knew this, it shows just how much work needs to be done within the party in order to win the primary.

We really need to use this poll to as a springboard to convincing the GOP'ers that he is electable and more palatable (based on the numbers among independents) than the other clowns.

Folks, get this posted on your social media pages and get it in front of people who usually could not care less.

It isn't even on Campaign for Liberty. I sent it to 'help' and posted it in California, and commented it on the first two items, but have no idea how to submit to 'liberty wire' etc. If anyone here can, it needs to go on C4L.

Also, here is the digg link: http://digg.com/politics/Election_2012_Barack_Obama_42_Ron_Paul_41

HOLLYWOOD
04-14-2010, 10:01 AM
Updated DRUDGE, now has pic of Ron on the front page: Forwarding pics and links to every website/forum on the planet... go Viral people... send it to all!

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee332/McLieberman/Ron_Paul_vs_Obama_TIE2.png

sailingaway
04-14-2010, 10:02 AM
So shall we just roll over? Or shall we gear up for this and counter it--we know it's coming.

Let 'Leadership' think it is just 'Goldwater' to excite the base for the senate and house in a 'year they can't win'. Then we'll take it from there.

sailingaway
04-14-2010, 10:03 AM
Updated DRUDGE, now has pic of Ron on the front page:

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee332/McLieberman/Ron_Paul_vs_Obama_TIE2.png

LOVE your pic of 'SHOCK POLL!!' They seem to be freaking out!! Must check it out!!!

sailingaway
04-14-2010, 10:07 AM
I wouldn't get too excited just yet, until we know where the poll came from.

if its a genuine, authentic poll, then it's a very exciting result.

Someone on daily paul posted 2 days ago that he/she had been polled by Rasmussen. Daily paul is off line now for some reason.

RM918
04-14-2010, 10:07 AM
FUCK YEAH! Christmas has come early.

Zack
04-14-2010, 10:09 AM
In other words, the MSM is going to ride to Obama's rescue and kneecap Paul 'Goldwater' style.

Oh, I think would could expect even worse than that, if the MSM thought Paul was in a position to win the nomination. The clear message that would be driven into people's heads 24/7 NONSTOP is that the naivety of Paul and his simple-minded, populist supporters would put at risk the Union itself. And everyone in it.

YouTube - Daisy Spot (official title: Peace, Little Girl) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf-MEdAPhYA)

Expect much worse than that. AND BE READY TO COUNTER. HARD.

sailingaway
04-14-2010, 10:09 AM
Maybe that is the difference. Was Ron Paul in that poll?

People pretend a live person poll is BETTER but I think one reason Rasmussen and PPP are so accurate is because people vote their true thoughts, as in a private voting booth. Ron Paul has been painted as such a 'kook' I think some are embarrassed to say they like him. I hate it, but I think it is a fact.

DaninPA
04-14-2010, 10:11 AM
Well, guess I better get back to work then..

You damn near brought tears to my eyes!

Agorism
04-14-2010, 10:11 AM
dailypaul must have got a huge traffic spike and went down.

Their website seems kind of flakey sometimes.

TulsaRevolution
04-14-2010, 10:14 AM
This is great. Tomorrow is the perfect follow-up being April 15. Let it be known around the nation there is one man who wants to eliminate the IRS!

WorldonaString
04-14-2010, 10:14 AM
dailypaul must have got a huge traffic spike and went down.


That's what I'm thinking. This is BIG News! :D

radiofriendly
04-14-2010, 10:15 AM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31279885&l=014866eb8b&id=1219186155

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31279885&l=014866eb8b&id=1219186155

Pennsylvania
04-14-2010, 10:19 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if this poll itself tips the scale in favor of Dr. Paul. I think it's fair to say we'll be able to gain at least another percent just because of this publicity.

rnestam
04-14-2010, 10:22 AM
An Obama supporter just sent me this upon learning of the poll's findings:

"Of course not. He sounds really good. Now, have a campaign exposing the views of Paul (Obama's views are already widely known) and we know what the result would be. "

In other words, the MSM is going to ride to Obama's rescue and kneecap Paul 'Goldwater' style.


As if "exposing the views of Ron Paul" to the masses would be a bad thing! BRING IT ON

fatjohn
04-14-2010, 10:27 AM
1000 sample
here are the questions
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/toplines/pt_survey_toplines/april_2010/toplines_ron_paul_april_12_13_2010

Epic
04-14-2010, 10:31 AM
Anybody got the crosstabs?

WorldonaString
04-14-2010, 10:32 AM
I'm celebrating with Billy Bragg singing "All you fascists bout' to lose!"

Agorism
04-14-2010, 10:32 AM
Anyone listen to limbaugh or other talk radio?

I wonder if they're talking about it. I can't stand to listen to them myself though so I won't be finding out unless someone posts it.

Epic
04-14-2010, 10:32 AM
PPP just found Bush trailing Obama by 2.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/04/obamabush-nearly-divided.html

But CNN just found Romney trailing by 8, Huck trailing by 9, Gingrich trailing by 12, and Palin trailing by 13.

JAHOGS
04-14-2010, 10:32 AM
The Not Sure votes tell us all something. That LOTS of people out there do not know what Ron Paul stands for or even know who he is.

ShowMeLiberty
04-14-2010, 10:42 AM
And so it begins.....


Well, guess I better get back to work then..


I wouldn't be surprised if this poll itself tips the scale in favor of Dr. Paul. I think it's fair to say we'll be able to gain at least another percent just because of this publicity.



Yes! Yes! Yes!

I'm afraid to get my hopes up, but they're hitting the roof anyway. :o

RM918
04-14-2010, 10:42 AM
Standard War Party of the Left rhetoric on this poll seems to be, 'Well, Rasmussen is obvious the Fox News of polling organizations.'

georgiaboy
04-14-2010, 10:44 AM
this thread has phase-shifted my sense of reality for the much much better better.

Meatwasp
04-14-2010, 10:46 AM
Oh happy day!
He has to run now. Start thinking about a money bomb.

Jack Bauer
04-14-2010, 10:48 AM
We have indies on our side.

Heck, we even have a sizable chunk of Dems.

We need to sway the neoCons in our favor. Tough task, if you ask me.

tekkierich
04-14-2010, 10:48 AM
Standard War Party of the Left rhetoric on this poll seems to be, 'Well, Rasmussen is obvious the Fox News of polling organizations.'

Well in that case the real results must be 10 points higher

Zack
04-14-2010, 10:50 AM
USAToday.com covering it a bit already: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/index


This raises the obvious question: will the Pauls be the next political dynasty, like the Kennedys and Bushes?

Paul's son, Rand, is a strong contender in Kentucky's open Senate race. A Rasmussen survey earlier this month shows Rand Paul beating all potential Democratic rivals -- although first he needs to win the GOP primary.

Change is definitely in the air.

pcosmar
04-14-2010, 10:50 AM
Oh happy day!
He has to run now. Start thinking about a money bomb.

:)
nice to see ya.
:cool:

nate895
04-14-2010, 10:51 AM
This is just awesome!!!!!!!

Thrashertm
04-14-2010, 10:52 AM
I'd be truly shocked now if Ron doesn't run.

I'll be brushing off my RP '08 signs and changing it to '12. :)

RP should capitalize on this attention right now and announce the formation of an exploratory committee.

Bobster
04-14-2010, 10:53 AM
USAToday.com covering it a bit already: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/index
It's important to note that this is on the front page of USAToday Politics.

Bruno
04-14-2010, 10:54 AM
USAToday.com covering it a bit already: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/index

thanks for sharing that! Great title!

Sarge
04-14-2010, 10:55 AM
Great Day. My heart almost stopped. I would take this poll over CNN any day.

Copy and email everyone with this day in history.

One of the things I kept hearing was yes, I like what Ron says, but he isn't electable.

Show them all he sure as heck is catching on I tell ya, and is electable if people vote for him. This gives much more time to get the word out so people will not be afraid to go ahead and vote for him and let the chips fall where they will.

The GOP has to be puking right now. They had better do some real soul searching with these numbers.

It sure should help the local Liberty candidates.

How many relatives, that gave people grief and didn't want to hear more about Ron, need to see this one and reconsider? Do it nice like did you see this? Let their mind do the soul searching.

fatjohn
04-14-2010, 10:56 AM
32 % do not know how they feel about Paul, only six did not know who to choose. I'm wondering how that 26% chose. Anybody know?

yokna7
04-14-2010, 10:57 AM
"SHOCK POLL!" lol!! I think Matt Drudge is the only one shocked.

RonPaulCult
04-14-2010, 10:59 AM
Hey where are all of the people who used to say polls are bullshit :)

Inkblots
04-14-2010, 11:00 AM
"SHOCK POLL!" lol!! I think Matt Drudge is the only one shocked.

Well, I'm pretty shocked. This is fantastic news, perhaps even game-changing news (how can Dr. Paul NOT run now?), but certainly unexpected news.

JamesButabi
04-14-2010, 11:01 AM
This needs to be an AP release ASAP. CFL?

WorldonaString
04-14-2010, 11:03 AM
Googled the Good Doctor just for old times sake and found that RonPaul.com is crashed too. Overload!

Meatwasp
04-14-2010, 11:05 AM
:)
nice to see ya.
:cool:

Thanks! I was gone for awhile but decided to check in. What a great surprise.

Jeremy
04-14-2010, 11:05 AM
Googled the Good Doctor just for old times sake and found that RonPaul.com is crashed too. Overload!

No it's not. And they didn't even blog about it there yet.

???

amy31416
04-14-2010, 11:05 AM
Thanks! I was gone for awhile but decided to check in. What a great surprise.

Marcy! :)

nate895
04-14-2010, 11:06 AM
32 % do not know how they feel about Paul, only six did not know who to choose. I'm wondering how that 26% chose. Anybody know?

Either they hate Obama or love Obama.

fatjohn
04-14-2010, 11:07 AM
32 % do not know how they feel about Paul, only six did not know who to choose. I'm wondering how that 26% chose. Anybody know?

That's a good question, I'm wondering that too. :rolleyes:

speciallyblend
04-14-2010, 11:07 AM
Ron Paul 2012, WE DON'T NEED ANY STINKIN POLLS!!!

WorldonaString
04-14-2010, 11:08 AM
No it's not. And they didn't even blog about it there yet.

???

You're right, its already back up. But just a few minutes ago they had the "due to unusually high traffic..." sign up.

Yeah, I dont really know much about the site, just clicked on the link and thats what it said.

jclay2
04-14-2010, 11:08 AM
Ron Paul 2012 FTW!!!!

We can do this people.

fatjohn
04-14-2010, 11:09 AM
Either they hate Obama or love Obama.

So you think 50-50 since that is about his score he get's nowadays. But probably those who do not know Paul are likely to be more democraticly oriented. So in conclusion if everybody would know him as in let's say, a presidential race, he would win right now... ;)

Sarge
04-14-2010, 11:11 AM
Isn't there another poll that was to close by the 15th or 16th. If he comes in first on that poll it would be great timing. It is some where here on the threads but, I haven't seen it lately.

nate895
04-14-2010, 11:14 AM
So you think 50-50 since that is about his score he get's nowadays. But probably those who do not know Paul are likely to be more democraticly oriented. So in conclusion if everybody would know him as in let's say, a presidential race, he would win right now... ;)

Probably not 50-50, actually after thinking about it, we still have ~17% undecided, so probably only 1/2 of that 32% has actually decided in the race. I'd guess that those votes would lean Paul because people are a lot more likely to vote because they dislike a president than because they like him. A lot of people who approve of a President's job performance wind up voting for their opponent, whereas almost no one who disapproves will vote for them.

speciallyblend
04-14-2010, 11:16 AM
So you think 50-50 since that is about his score he get's nowadays. But probably those who do not know Paul are likely to be more democraticly oriented. So in conclusion if everybody would know him as in let's say, a presidential race, he would win right now... ;)

the only think stopping Ron Paul is the failed gop estsblishment. If the gop continues with their bs. Then I say Ron Paul 2012 with or without the gop!
the gop better get a clue quick or the gop just might be a 3rd party!!!

axiomata
04-14-2010, 11:16 AM
Holy cow. This is amazing.

I fully expected Paul to be passing the baton off to someone else (Johnson) to run. Now I'm not sure he will.

KramerDSP
04-14-2010, 11:17 AM
USA Todays take is fantastic.

speciallyblend
04-14-2010, 11:19 AM
Probably not 50-50, actually after thinking about it, we still have ~17% undecided, so probably only 1/2 of that 32% has actually decided in the race. I'd guess that those votes would lean Paul because people are a lot more likely to vote because they dislike a president than because they like him. A lot of people who approve of a President's job performance wind up voting for their opponent, whereas almost no one who disapproves will vote for them.

forget the polls, remeber this the only people stopping Ron Paul are the failed gop establishment. if the gop doesn/t open their eyes SOON . THEN RON PAUL 2012 is happening with or without the gop. THIS I PROMISE!!!

the gop better wake up or get the f OUT OF THE WAY!!

the larry king interview was a shot across the bow of he failed gop..

RON PAUL is running in 2012. there are no other options for me and the gop better get a clue or get out of the way!!

Jordan
04-14-2010, 11:19 AM
And so it begins! I'm in for a maxed out contribution for 2012.

Can you hear us, Ron? We want to do it again!

Bruno
04-14-2010, 11:20 AM
For some reason I just haven't been able to stop smiling for the past three hours! :D

wgadget
04-14-2010, 11:21 AM
I am having an AWESOME day!

speciallyblend
04-14-2010, 11:22 AM
Holy cow. This is amazing.

I fully expected Paul to be passing the baton off to someone else (Johnson) to run. Now I'm not sure he will.

Ron Paul 2012 is happening inside the gop or outside the gop. I SAY SO and it is really in the gop's court to throw their own game.

Ron Paul 2012 is set in STONE!!!!!!!! unless the gop wakes up soon. this is going down within the gop or outside the gop and either way. if the gop forces this to happen outside of the gop. then the gop failed leaderships will be the only folks they can blame, themselves!!!!!!

Ron Paul 2012, the gop better get it or step aside!!

chudrockz
04-14-2010, 11:23 AM
This is HUGE!!! I'm ordering my Ron Paul 2012 bumber stickers TODAY.

I'm up in the break room at work trying to hold back tears at the thought.

RON PAUL, the 45th PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES

axiomata
04-14-2010, 11:24 AM
He's catching on, I'm tellin ya!

Jordan
04-14-2010, 11:24 AM
h ttp://digg.com/politics/Election_2012_Barack_Obama_42_Ron_Paul_41

This story is so close to the front page on Digg. This would be huge publicity.

Lets make it happen, spread it far and wide! 75 Diggs already

JamesButabi
04-14-2010, 11:24 AM
i just texted this to my gf. Literally had a tear in my eye when i pushed send

wgadget
04-14-2010, 11:26 AM
Hm...Will Rush, Mark Levin, Hugh Hewitt, Bill Bennett, Michael Medved, Michael Reagan and Michael Savage read their Drudge Report today?

speciallyblend
04-14-2010, 11:28 AM
i just texted this to my gf. Literally had a tear in my eye when i pushed send

i hear you folks,like i said Ron Paul 2012 is happening with or without the gop!! We will make it happen and i can promise you I WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN along with all you RPF members and many others. if the gop does not see the writing on the wall. Then i cannot explain the gop,but Ron Paul 2012 is happening with or without the gop. I decided this like 2 yrs ago:)

the gop lacks anything else to offer me!! not to mention all the Ron Paul Candidates running in colorado and across the country in 2010!!

Andrew-Austin
04-14-2010, 11:28 AM
Ron Paul 2012 is happening inside the gop or outside the gop. I SAY SO and it is really in the gop's court to throw their own game.

Ron Paul 2012 is set in STONE!!!!!!!! unless the gop wakes up soon. this is going down within the gop or outside the gop and either way. if the gop forces this to happen outside of the gop. then the gop failed leaderships will be the only folks they can blame, themselves!!!!!!

Ron Paul 2012, the gop better get it or step aside!!

Not if he doesn't want to do it.

werdd
04-14-2010, 11:29 AM
This news breaks on my birthday :). Great day

specsaregood
04-14-2010, 11:36 AM
For some reason I just haven't been able to stop smiling for the past three hours! :D

I think I know why!
http://72.73.236.82/photos/rpshocker.jpg

Peoples_Front_of_Paul
04-14-2010, 11:36 AM
Well this news just effectively ruined whatever little productivity I had left in me at work today...! :)

Run, Ron, Run...!!!

pahs1994
04-14-2010, 11:39 AM
The "Conservative" MSM talking heads (Mostly ones on FOX) will not get behind Paul because of WAR. they love bombing other countrys. And like to talk about fiscal responcibility so long as it doesn't infringe on all the money we waste on bases in every country in the world.

Reason
04-14-2010, 11:39 AM
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010/04/survey-ron-paul-dead-even-with-obama-in-hypothetical-2012-race/1

speciallyblend
04-14-2010, 11:39 AM
i just texted this to my gf. Literally had a tear in my eye when i pushed send

YouTube - Ozzy Osbourne - No More Tears (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdAXPWvy4E8)

HOLLYWOOD
04-14-2010, 11:40 AM
How about that CNN (Crap Nothing News ) poll, eh? Makes the CNN poll look like it's big time stacked deck by the Daily Pravda Socialist Liberal Clowns masquerading as a News Organization.

here's the USAToday page:

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee332/McLieberman/Paul_vs_Obama_USAToday.png

Erazmus
04-14-2010, 11:40 AM
Great news. Timely too. :D

speciallyblend
04-14-2010, 11:41 AM
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010/04/survey-ron-paul-dead-even-with-obama-in-hypothetical-2012-race/1


deserved its own thread

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2644976#post2644976

i can see a gop meme reading, hurry up stop the attack articles. If we do not show Ron paul, their supporters are gonna leave the gop establishment candidates high and dry! we gotta support Liberty or the dems will crush us in future elections!!


they know full on we are showing to assemblys,conventions,meetings and whatever you wanna call them!! electing ron paul republicans and dems and that we mean business!! the gop really better wake up!!

RonPaulCult
04-14-2010, 11:42 AM
The "Conservative" MSM talking heads (Mostly ones on FOX) will not get behind Paul because of WAR. they love bombing other countrys. And like to talk about fiscal responcibility so long as it doesn't infringe on all the money we waste on bases in every country in the world.

Hannity and O'Realy may not get behind him. But I think Beck will. And a lot of the anchors there interview him during the day time and seem to like him.

Fox news doesn't elect presidents anyway. If they did Mitt Romney would be president right now.

wgadget
04-14-2010, 11:43 AM
But Ron Paul was right...

THE EMPIRE WILL END out of being BANKRUPT.


Even the GOP establishment will have to resign themselves to that fact.

ravedown
04-14-2010, 11:44 AM
beck and his goons just mentioned the poll and basically blew it off and quickly moved on.

AuH20
04-14-2010, 11:45 AM
If Ron Paul is elected president, we'll have rotting garbage piling in the streets. Classrooms will be packed with an excessive amount of students like sardines in a can. Blacks will be beaten like it's Selma, Alabama. Terrorists will be given carte blanche treatment to plot and execute heinous acts of violence.

Did I miss anything? ;):D

itshappening
04-14-2010, 11:46 AM
beck and his goons just mentioned the poll and basically blew it off and quickly moved on.

Beck is our enemy

speciallyblend
04-14-2010, 11:46 AM
Hannity and O'Realy may not get behind him. But I think Beck will. And a lot of the anchors there interview him during the day time and seem to like him.

Fox news doesn't elect presidents anyway. If they did Mitt Romney would be president right now.

honestly hannity and oreally and beck and fox can oppose us. that will help us!! All 3 that you mentioned are just Fluffers!! goggle fluffers i can't post that video!!

Pennsylvania
04-14-2010, 11:46 AM
beck and his goons just mentioned the poll and basically blew it off and quickly moved on.

Transcribe?

itshappening
04-14-2010, 11:47 AM
Hannity and O'Realy may not get behind him. But I think Beck will. And a lot of the anchors there interview him during the day time and seem to like him.

Fox news doesn't elect presidents anyway. If they did Mitt Romney would be president right now.

You're going to be very disappointed. Beck is our enemy, without doubt.

WorldonaString
04-14-2010, 11:47 AM
beck and his goons just mentioned the poll and basically blew it off and quickly moved on.

Beck is worthless. Ron's accouncement money bomb is going to be ridiculous (and impossible to not respect!)

speciallyblend
04-14-2010, 11:47 AM
If Ron Paul is elected president, we'll have rotting garbage piling in the streets. Classrooms will be packed with an excessive amount of students like sardines in a can. Blacks will be beaten like it's Selma, Alabama. Terrorists will be given carte blanche treatment to plot and execute heinous acts of violence.

Did I miss anything? ;):D

yeah Marijuana will be Legal;)

wgadget
04-14-2010, 11:47 AM
CHECK THIS OUT from USA TODAY:

This raises the obvious question: will the Pauls be the next political dynasty, like the Kennedys and Bushes?

Paul's son, Rand, is a strong contender in Kentucky's open Senate race. A Rasmussen survey earlier this month shows Rand Paul beating all potential Democratic rivals -- although first he needs to win the GOP primary.

Change is definitely in the air.

Old Ducker
04-14-2010, 11:48 AM
I only see Paul vs Obama, how do the other GOfPer's match up?

Great news regardless!

fatjohn
04-14-2010, 11:48 AM
If Ron Paul is elected president, we'll have rotting garbage piling in the streets. Classrooms will be packed with an excessive amount of students like sardines in a can. Blacks will be beaten like it's Selma, Alabama. Terrorists will be given carte blanche treatment to plot and execute heinous acts of violence.

Did I miss anything? ;):D

What about all the hippies crawling out, once pot is legalized.

pahs1994
04-14-2010, 11:48 AM
Hannity and O'Realy may not get behind him. But I think Beck will. And a lot of the anchors there interview him during the day time and seem to like him.

Fox news doesn't elect presidents anyway. If they did Mitt Romney would be president right now.

i hope your right about Beck. I can see these guys trying stuff during the primary and we will end up with Ron Paul-lite instead. I think these guys carry enough weight seeing how Beck singlehadedly took down Medina

speciallyblend
04-14-2010, 11:48 AM
Transcribe?

Yeah Beck was saying he is a fox fluffer!!

RM918
04-14-2010, 11:50 AM
i hope your right about Beck. I can see these guys trying stuff during the primary and we will end up with Ron Paul-lite instead. I think these guys carry enough weight seeing how Beck singlehadedly took down Medina

He had plenty of help from Medina, she just fell into a trap. Can't really blame her.

speciallyblend
04-14-2010, 11:51 AM
i hope your right about Beck. I can see these guys trying stuff during the primary and we will end up with Ron Paul-lite instead. I think these guys carry enough weight seeing how Beck singlehadedly took down Medina

no what beck proved was that 80% of republican primary voters in texas are _________ fill in the blank! i didn't want to offend anyone!!

AuH20
04-14-2010, 11:52 AM
Beck is worthless. Ron's accouncement money bomb is going to be ridiculous (and impossible to not respect!)

Beck, intentionally or accidentally, has raised Ron's profile greatly among Republican naysayers. Having him on his show every week or so can do that.

RonPaulCult
04-14-2010, 11:52 AM
I know Beck isn't exactly a friend to us but he does agree with Ron Paul on most things.

Ron Paul's message is "catching on" and we need to prepare ourselves for people like Beck and Ann Coulter getting behind him. It MIGHT happen and we shouldn't freak out if it does.

Palin endorsed Rand and it wasn't the end of the world.

speciallyblend
04-14-2010, 11:52 AM
What about all the hippies crawling out, once pot is legalized.

haha i had said that a few posts back;) hmmm have you noticed hannity beck and their crew stay out of Colorado. WE Hippies VOTE:) 72% baby;) and we have yearly supply of snowballs:)

Brian4Liberty
04-14-2010, 11:54 AM
Hm...Will Rush, Mark Levin, Hugh Hewitt, Bill Bennett, Michael Medved, Michael Reagan and Michael Savage read their Drudge Report today?

That will be interesting. We need to listen to them today...


Hannity and O'Realy may not get behind him. But I think Beck will. And a lot of the anchors there interview him during the day time and seem to like him.


We'll see about that.


beck and his goons just mentioned the poll and basically blew it off and quickly moved on.

Sooner that I thought! ;)

specsaregood
04-14-2010, 11:54 AM
Forget all this Beck talk, I bet Jason Lewis says something positive about it tonight.

speciallyblend
04-14-2010, 11:55 AM
Forget all this Beck talk, I bet Jason Lewis says something positive about it tonight.

keep us posted on that. I am busy making Snowballs Reserves;)

Reason
04-14-2010, 11:55 AM
163 msm news articles covering the story right now according to Google news.

ShowMeLiberty
04-14-2010, 12:00 PM
This part of the Rasmussen poll... "Ask the Political Class, though, and it’s a blowout. While 58% of Mainstream voters favor Paul, 95% of the Political Class vote for Obama. "

Made me think of this for a slogan...

Of the people ~ By the people ~ For the people
Ron Paul 2012

ravedown
04-14-2010, 12:06 PM
beck and coulter getting behind RP? are you people high? when the time comes and the primary heats up these shills will begin an all out assault on RP and prop up Gingrich or DeMint or more likely Romney. The establishment media is far too afraid of what changes would really take place if RP was a front runner. They talk about restoring liberty and rights but when it's crunch time they'd rather stick with biz as usual. Lets hope the tea party movement grows louder and larger and sticks to policy and principles avoids the MSM/Fox News takeover.

Erazmus
04-14-2010, 12:07 PM
Seems like a good time to capitalize on all this publicity and promote H.R. 4995. ;)

bobbyw24
04-14-2010, 12:11 PM
Rep. Ron Paul, the Texas Republican who struggled to crack 10% in presidential primary polls in 2008, runs dead even with President Obama in a new Rasmussen survey out today.


CAPTIONBy Gerald Herbert, AP

The survey of 1,000 likely voters in a hypothetical Obama-Paul race gave the Democratic president 42% and the veteran congressman 41%. Paul was particularly strong -- as you would expect -- among independents. He out-polled Obama 47% to 28% among voters who are not affiliated with either major party.

Rasmussen says:

Paul, a anti-big government libertarian who engenders unusually strong feelings among his supporters, was an unsuccessful candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008. But he continues to have a solid following, especially in the growing Tea Party movement.

This raises the obvious question: will the Pauls be the next political dynasty, like the Kennedys and Bushes?

Paul's son, Rand, is a strong contender in Kentucky's open Senate race. A Rasmussen survey earlier this month shows Rand Paul beating all potential Democratic rivals -- although first he needs to win the GOP primary.

Change is definitely in the air.

(Posted by Eugene Kiely)

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010/04/survey-ron-paul-dead-even-with-obama-in-hypothetical-2012-race/1

2young2vote
04-14-2010, 12:14 PM
^I don't think i would mind a Paul Dynasty :P

audienceofone
04-14-2010, 12:15 PM
This makes me so proud of everything I did back in 07 & 08.
I will wear my Ron Paul shirt to work today and ask everyone who laughed at me back then if they have seen this yet. :D

speciallyblend
04-14-2010, 12:16 PM
Rep. Ron Paul, the Texas Republican who struggled to crack 10% in presidential primary polls in 2008, runs dead even with President Obama in a new Rasmussen survey out today.


CAPTIONBy Gerald Herbert, AP

The survey of 1,000 likely voters in a hypothetical Obama-Paul race gave the Democratic president 42% and the veteran congressman 41%. Paul was particularly strong -- as you would expect -- among independents. He out-polled Obama 47% to 28% among voters who are not affiliated with either major party.

Rasmussen says:

Paul, a anti-big government libertarian who engenders unusually strong feelings among his supporters, was an unsuccessful candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008. But he continues to have a solid following, especially in the growing Tea Party movement.

This raises the obvious question: will the Pauls be the next political dynasty, like the Kennedys and Bushes?

Paul's son, Rand, is a strong contender in Kentucky's open Senate race. A Rasmussen survey earlier this month shows Rand Paul beating all potential Democratic rivals -- although first he needs to win the GOP primary.

Change is definitely in the air.

(Posted by Eugene Kiely)

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010/04/survey-ron-paul-dead-even-with-obama-in-hypothetical-2012-race/1

mulitiple orgasm day!!

specsaregood
04-14-2010, 12:17 PM
Seems like a good time to capitalize on all this publicity and promote H.R. 4995. ;)

GMTA.
Unfortunatley the bill isn't showing up anywhere yet.

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/speech/tx14_paul/EndMandate.shtml



Statement of Congressman Ron Paul
United States House of Representatives
Statement on Introduction of End the Mandate Act
April 13, 2010

Madam Speaker, today I am introducing the End the Mandate Act. This legislation repeals the sections of the recently-passed health reform bill that force all Americans to purchase federally-approved health insurance plans.


Forcing every American to obtain health insurance is a blatant violation of the Constitution. Defenders of this provision claim the Congress’s constitutional authority to regulate “interstate commerce” gives Congress the power to mandate every American obtain a federally-approved health insurance plan. However, as Judge Andrew Napolitano and other distinguished legal scholars and commentators have pointed out, even the broadest definition of “regulating interstate commerce” cannot reasonably encompass forcing Americans to engage in commerce by purchasing health insurance.


Forcing every American to obtain a congressionally-approved health insurance plan is not just unconstitutional; it is a violation of the basic freedom to make our own decisions regarding how best to meet the health care needs of ourselves and our families.


Madam Speaker, the new law requires Americans to have what is defined as “minimum essential coverage.” Some people may claim that the requirement to have “minimal essential coverage” does not impose an unreasonable burden on Americans. There are two problems with this claim.
First, the very imposition of a health insurance mandate, no matter how “minimal,” violates the principles of individual liberty upon which this country was founded.


Second, the mandate is unlikely to remain “minimal” for long. The experience of states that allow their legislatures to mandate what benefits health insurance plans must cover has shown that politicizing health insurance inevitably makes health insurance more expensive. As the cost of government-mandated health insurance rises, Congress will likely respond by increasingly subsidizing health insurance for an ever increasing number of Americans.


When the cost of government–mandated insurance proves to be an unsustainable burden on individuals, small employers, and the government, Congress will likely impose price controls on medical treatments, and even go so far as to limit what procedures and treatments mandatory insurance will reimburse.
Madam Speaker, Congress made a grave error by forcing all Americans to purchase health insurance. The mandate violates fundamental principles of individual liberty, and will lead to further government involvement in health care. I therefore ask all of my colleagues to join me in correcting this mistake by cosponsoring the End the Mandate Act.

tmosley
04-14-2010, 12:23 PM
GMTA.
Unfortunatley the bill isn't showing up anywhere yet.

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/speech/tx14_paul/EndMandate.shtml

Excellent.

speciallyblend
04-14-2010, 12:25 PM
healthcare is a bs issue. the fact is both sides are not addressing the real issue= Insurance Corruption!! i have no interest in this issue after being railroaded by doctors and insurance companies. they can all burn in hell for all i care!!

we have to see attorneys tomorrow and we are forced in indigent care now thanks to greedy doctors and greedy insurance! i am focused on Colorado Politics,honestly careless about the federal government anymore. I just pay my slave taxes and try to focus locally!!

bottom line healthcare bill yes or no. does nothing to address the real problem greedy doctors and greedy insurance companies, that left us with 250,000 in bills while they made record profits!! f them all

I have more important issues like mortgage and not being homeless then the federal governments BS!!

RonPaulCult
04-14-2010, 12:26 PM
This may be one of the most significant parts of the poll right here:

Similarly, 27% of Republicans see Paul as a divisive force in the party, while 30% view him as a new direction for the GOP. Forty-two percent (42%) aren’t sure.

nayjevin
04-14-2010, 12:44 PM
This makes me so proud of everything I did back in 07 & 08.
I will wear my Ron Paul shirt to work today and ask everyone who laughed at me back then if they have seen this yet. :D

^^ this! ^^
:D :cool:

i'mma try ta be nice ;)

audienceofone
04-14-2010, 01:01 PM
^^ this! ^^
:D :cool:

i'mma try ta be nice ;)

Me too! Its the only way to bring them over to our side no matter how mad their ignorance makes you. And boy do I have some tea-o-cons to deal with... ;)

CharlesTX
04-14-2010, 01:08 PM
I attribute the result of the poll to my "Ron Paul Was Right" bumper sticker. :)

amonasro
04-14-2010, 01:09 PM
OH MY GOD

I was chest deep in taxes and now this? There goes my productivity. I have to say it's put me in a MUCH better mood.

Amazing, amazing :)

tremendoustie
04-14-2010, 01:12 PM
This may be one of the most significant parts of the poll right here:

Similarly, 27% of Republicans see Paul as a divisive force in the party, while 30% view him as a new direction for the GOP. Forty-two percent (42%) aren’t sure.

I agree, absolutely. "New direction" is distinctly positive -- "divisive" is almost neutral. If 30% of the GOP considers Paul the new direction, that is absolutely huge.

Bruno
04-14-2010, 01:13 PM
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:)

georgiaboy
04-14-2010, 01:13 PM
^^ to wit, it brought to my mind the first quote in your sig, tt!

fj45lvr
04-14-2010, 01:14 PM
This is why the Establishment media has attacked Ron Paul for three years. They know that he would shatter the political paradigm in this country and defeat the Chosen One head-to-head.


Paul has been on many mainstream networks since running so I hardly see that as "attacking"....now they may decide to "turn off" the spigot or smear him any time the want to but he hasn't been "blacked out".

paulim
04-14-2010, 01:18 PM
CBS does everything they can to discredit the poll:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002497-503544.html

Brian4Liberty
04-14-2010, 01:20 PM
healthcare is a bs issue. the fact is both sides are not addressing the real issue= Insurance Corruption!!

qft!

TC95
04-14-2010, 01:23 PM
CBS does everything they can to discredit the poll:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002497-503544.html

In the comments:

"In a hypothetical general election matchup between Palin and Mr. Obama, the poll found, the president wins by double digits, 55 percent to 42 percent. He also beats Romney 53 percent to 45 percent, Huckabee 54 percent to 45 percent, and Gingrich 55 percent to 43 percent.
========

I love this! In other words throw anyone you want out there we got ya beat! : )"


Yeah, anyone except Ron Paul. Obama's only beating him by one percentage point in the Rasmussen poll. Not exactly a serious womp. LOL

Bruno
04-14-2010, 01:24 PM
CBS does everything they can to discredit the poll:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002497-503544.html

haha! They are falling overthemselves trying to come up with stuff.

they left out "quixotic"

tsopranos
04-14-2010, 01:25 PM
Awesome news...

How early do candidates usually announce again? What would the timeframe look like if Ron decided to run in 2012?

We'd be a lot more prepared this time around that's for sure. The forum is already in place. We should be discussing what we can do better this time around as well as how we can avoid/circumvent the media & political tactics used against RP in '08.

mnewcomb
04-14-2010, 01:36 PM
haha! They are falling overthemselves trying to come up with stuff.

Yeah, they will call elections based on these polls, but not when one involves Ron Paul...

fatjohn
04-14-2010, 01:40 PM
CBS does everything they can to discredit the poll:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002497-503544.html

The writer is retarded:

Is Ron Paul Neck in Neck With Obama in 2012?
Posted by Brian Montopoli

From the "take it with a huge grain of salt" department: A Rasmussen Reports poll pitting libertarian-leaning Republican Rep. Ron Paul against President Obama for the 2012 presidential election finds the two men within one point of each other among likely voters.

muh_roads
04-14-2010, 01:47 PM
I have a feeling End the Mandate could propel him to the front. We need to push this just as hard as End the Fed. The sheep within the GOP will understand End the Mandate better.

Awesome day. :)

Bern
04-14-2010, 01:58 PM
So what do they define as the "political class"?


...
Initially, Rasmussen Reports labeled the groups Populist and Political Class. However, despite the many news stories referring to populist anger over bailouts and other government actions, the labels created confusion for some. In particular, some equated populist attitudes with the views of the late-19th century Populist Party. To avoid that confusion, and since a majority clearly hold skeptical views about the ruling elites, we now label the groups Mainstream and Political Class.

The questions used to calculate the Index are:

-- Generally speaking, when it comes to important national issues, whose judgment do you trust more - the American people or America’s political leaders?

-- Some people believe that the federal government has become a special interest group that looks out primarily for its own interests. Has the federal government become a special interest group?

-- Do government and big business often work together in ways that hurt consumers and investors?

To create a scale, each response earns a plus 1 for the populist answer, a minus 1 for the political class answer, and a 0 for not sure.

Those who score 2 or higher are considered a populist or part of the Mainstream. Those who score -2 or lower are considered to be aligned with the Political Class. Those who score +1 or -1 are considered leaners in one direction or the other.

In practical terms, if someone is classified with the Mainstream, they agree with the mainstream view on at least two of the three questions and don’t agree with the Political Class on any.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/january_2010/65_now_hold_populist_or_mainstream_views

Basically, it is more than just politicians and political (party) insiders. It includes the folks who haven't yet taken the red pill.

purplechoe
04-14-2010, 02:06 PM
http://www.gisails.com/imagestr/blimplaunch.jpg

MatM
04-14-2010, 02:08 PM
Lol, this is what came under related topics when I looked under google news for articles covering the poll:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d44/MatMaloney/rpbopic.jpg

charrob
04-14-2010, 02:12 PM
What good news to see this headline! Happy Day! :)

silentshout
04-14-2010, 02:37 PM
Wonderful news!

fatjohn
04-14-2010, 03:01 PM
lol, this is what came under related topics when i looked under google news for articles covering the poll:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d44/matmaloney/rpbopic.jpg

thread post ftw!!! :d

Fox McCloud
04-14-2010, 03:07 PM
the question is, what's more important to the Republicans at this point? Maintaining a tight grip over their party and continuing on a Neocon agenda or appealing to what more people want (and what gives them a chance to win).

Either way, very interesting results...though I'd be willing to bet Ron could pull more than 66% of the GOP if he was viewed as the only possible chance of winning and was the nominee...they might do it kicking and screaming, but they'll take anyone over Obama.

either way, very exciting news, but I'd like to see how a few more straw polls and events play out.

Morgan Brykein
04-14-2010, 03:09 PM
Unfortunately, the poll also found that Paul has scant support within his own party, which was already pretty obvious. He'll never be nominated, unless we send all the neocon delegates to "summer camp" somewhere in Alaska, which would be a very unlibertarian thing to do.

devil21
04-14-2010, 03:11 PM
Wow I sure picked a crap day to sleep in!

WSJ blog article
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/04/14/ron-paul-in-dead-heat-with-obama-in-2012-match-up/tab/comments/

nate895
04-14-2010, 03:13 PM
Unfortunately, the poll also found that Paul has scant support within his own party, which was already pretty obvious. He'll never be nominated, unless we send all the neocon delegates to "summer camp" somewhere in Alaska, which would be a very unlibertarian thing to do.

That is among people who identify as Republicans. Lots of Independents are really Republicans who don't like the GOP and are unwilling to acknowledge that they are a part of GOP politics. They still vote in the primaries when their candidate is exciting and has a shot. Ron Paul has that ability if he can keep showing up at these straw polls and embarrassing the front-runners.

Morgan Brykein
04-14-2010, 03:17 PM
That is among people who identify as Republicans. Lots of Independents are really Republicans who don't like the GOP and are unwilling to acknowledge that they are a part of GOP politics. They still vote in the primaries when their candidate is exciting and has a shot. Ron Paul has that ability if he can keep showing up at these straw polls and embarrassing the front-runners.

Don't most state Republican parties have closed primaries?

nate895
04-14-2010, 03:19 PM
Don't most state Republican parties have closed primaries?

No, and a lot that are you can show up and register that same day. Also, a lot of even registered Republicans will call themselves "Independents." My parents were both registered and dues-paying members when we lived in California (they don't have party registration in WA) and they still would answer that they were conservative independents when asked.

KramerDSP
04-14-2010, 03:34 PM
This is HUGE!!! I'm ordering my Ron Paul 2012 bumber stickers TODAY.

I'm up in the break room at work trying to hold back tears at the thought.

RON PAUL, the 45th PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES

Quoted For Truth!

parocks
04-14-2010, 03:37 PM
Political Ideology and Party Affilliation.

Ideology - 40% of America is Conservative - 40% is Moderate - 20% is Liberal

Affliliation - I"m not sure about these numbers, but Republican is about 30-35%
Democrat is higher than Republican.

Of Conservative, Moderate, Liberal, Republican, Democrat, Independent - the biggest group is Conservative.

I think that what people typically don't recognize is that even if every single Republican said that they were Conservative, there would still be 5-10 of Conservatives that are Democrats or Independents.

We know that there are plenty of Republicans that would not describe themselves as Conservatives. Would Collins, Snowe, Brown, etc call themselves Conservative, or Moderate?

I would suspect that there's a pretty big group out there of Conservative Independents.

If it's Ron Paul vs Obama in 2012, figure most Republicans vote for Ron Paul. Not
1/3 of Republicans, but most - 80% or more. 20% of Dems maybe? And a whole bunch of independents. Over 50%.



Numbers aren't that far fetched. Paul could pull 1 out of every 5 democratic voters. Factor in another 1/3 (paleo/libertarian segment) of our every republican voter. And we're not even starting about independents.

Peace&Freedom
04-14-2010, 03:46 PM
CPAC, SRLC, now this. No where for Republicans leaders to hide now. Paul polls better against the president than any of the GOP rivals, so there's no way to call him marginal anymore. If Paul is virtually tied with Obama now, before any campaign has started, he will annihilate him in election season. O frabjous day, Callooh, Callay!

Democrats have no doubt been put on horrified notice given this news, and must have had a Sauron moment just now---all this while they've focused on beating up a vulnerable Palin outside the gates of Mordor, only to realize that Paul has reached the Crack of Doom! Dems will be cranking up a demonization campaign against him big time, watch out.

Lately, I've been having the thought about what happens when/if Paul wraps up winning the GOP nomination battle in 2012---will he then get pistol whipped into making Romney or Palin (or Jeb Bush) his running mate, as the establishment forced Reagan into choosing Bush in 1980? If he doesn't, will the Rockefeller/countryclub/neocon Republicans walk out of the convention, as they did to Goldwater in 1964?

KramerDSP
04-14-2010, 03:55 PM
Reactions from two of my co-workers.

Persons A and B - Huge Obama supporters. They were happy that Ron Paul polled so well against Obama when I told them. Both said they're sick of the wars and that they like "some of his ideas" like "coming home from all over the world" and that "we don't need to be there because we create more terrorists". However, they were concerned that he was pro-life and very anxious about the term "states rights". They also said "The GOP will never let him get close enough, so do you think he will run third party?".

Person C - Huge neo-conservative who was a pretty big McCain supporter after being dissatisfied with choices provided during 2008 Primary. Likely a loyal FoxNews reader, and we engaged in playful banner over RP. In 2008, she indicated national security was her biggest concern, and that RP "blames America". Despite discussions, I could not get her to see it from RP's perspective. Today, I told her that every other GOP candidate is crushed by 10% while RP brings Obama all the way down to 42%. She said "that's sad" but then was obviously thinking and seemed puzzled by the fact that only RP could defeat Obama according to the slew of recent polls. I said "I know you're not the world's biggest Paul fan, but the general sentiment of the country is changing, slowly, but surely, and RP would be better than Obama, wouldn't he?". She acknowledged that to be true, and I left it at that.

I think 75% of the neo-conservatives are unconvertible, unfortunately. I would really love to see RP win the GOP nomination, but I just know they'll screw him if he decides to run. What I'm REALLY curious about is how Obama/Biden vs. Romney/Huckabee vs. Paul/VP would turn out, poll-wise. Is the country's mood just right that a third party candidate could win for the first time in modern US history?

GOP, I am fully aboard if Ron Paul and only Ron Paul is the nominee. If anyone else is the nominee, you can guarantee my vote goes elsewhere.

KramerDSP
04-14-2010, 03:56 PM
Lately, I've been having the thought about what happens when/if Paul wraps up winning the GOP nomination battle in 2012---will he then get pistol whipped into making Romney or Palin (or Jeb Bush) his running mate, as the establishment forced Reagan into choosing Bush in 1980? If he doesn't, will the Rockefeller/countryclub/neocon Republicans walk out of the convention, as they did to Goldwater in 1964?

He's gone this long without compromising himself. I think Ron himself knows that his supporters would be the first to turn on him if he started doing un-Ron like things.

Flash
04-14-2010, 03:57 PM
CPAC, SRLC, now this. No where for Republicans leaders to hide now. Paul polls better against the president than any of the GOP rivals, so there's no way to call him marginal anymore. If Paul is virtually tied with Obama now, before any campaign has started, he will annihilate him in election season. O frabjous day, Callooh, Callay!

Democrats have no doubt been put on horrified notice given this news, and must have had a Sauron moment just now---all this while they've focused on beating up a vulnerable Palin outside the gates of Mordor, only to realize that Paul has reached the Crack of Doom! Dems will be cranking up a demonization campaign against him big time, watch out.

Lately, I've been having the thought about what happens when/if Paul wraps up winning the GOP nomination battle in 2012---will he then get pistol whipped into making Romney or Palin (or Jeb Bush) his running mate, as the establishment forced Reagan into choosing Bush in 1980? If he doesn't, will the Rockefeller/countryclub/neocon Republicans walk out of the convention, as they did to Goldwater in 1964?

Obama picked Biden as his running mate rather than the popular Hillary Clinton and still managed to win. I don't see why Paul would HAVE to pick a Romney or Palin.

parocks
04-14-2010, 03:58 PM
Some of that 6% has even stronger unfavorables about Obama.

If Ron Paul was the Republican nominee, he would get many votes from people who have an unfavorable opinion about him, because those people have a much more unfavorable opinion about Obama.

The main takeaway from this particular poll is that Obama is unpopular.

Did we commission this poll?

No matter what, it's a detailed Obama vs Paul poll which shows them tied. It provides interesting data. It also provides a counter argument to any allegation that Paul couldn't beat Obama.

But if Rasmussen swapped out Ron Paul and swapped in any well known or fairly well known Republican, 42-41 Obama vs generic Republican is what I'd expect.



6% of Republicans have strong unfavorables of him.

So that means those loudmouths who hate and hate on the internet about him are those 6%, and the other 94% we can reach.

speciallyblend
04-14-2010, 03:59 PM
CPAC, SRLC, now this. No where for Republicans leaders to hide now. Paul polls better against the president than any of the GOP rivals, so there's no way to call him marginal anymore. If Paul is virtually tied with Obama now, before any campaign has started, he will annihilate him in election season. O frabjous day, Callooh, Callay!

Democrats have no doubt been put on horrified notice given this news, and must have had a Sauron moment just now---all this while they've focused on beating up a vulnerable Palin outside the gates of Mordor, only to realize that Paul has reached the Crack of Doom! Dems will be cranking up a demonization campaign against him big time, watch out.

Lately, I've been having the thought about what happens when/if Paul wraps up winning the GOP nomination battle in 2012---will he then get pistol whipped into making Romney or Palin (or Jeb Bush) his running mate, as the establishment forced Reagan into choosing Bush in 1980? If he doesn't, will the Rockefeller/countryclub/neocon Republicans walk out of the convention, as they did to Goldwater in 1964?

I hear you but the quickest way for Ron Paul 2012 to lose my vote is palin or romney. Ron Paul will choose his running mate not the gop establishment!!

I highly doubt he will pick romney or palin(yeah i have heard folks say palin was on ron pauls vp list last time) but if Ron Paul wants to WIN. I highly doubt palin or romney would be his choice to much baggage!!

I am highly motivated for Ron Paul but those other 2 options woulde seize my engines to a halt!!