Harry Reid claims only 4 votes short for Amnesty!

[Pepsi]

Harry Reid claims only 4 votes short for Amnesty!

Senate Majority Leader promises crowd of Illegal Aliens and their supporters that he will deliver Amnesty; claims to have started work to pass Amnesty 'now'

It's now or never in the U.S. Senate.

"We're going to come back, we're going to have comprehensive immigration reform now," Sen. Reid declared over the weekend.

Yesterday, the Senate returned to Washington, and staffers were scrambling to fulfill Reid's promise that an Amnesty is the next big push.

Amnesty should be too unpopular for Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) and Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) to tackle in an election year.

After all, a CNN poll released yesterday showed that 66% of Americans do not want the path to citizenship made easier for illegal aliens. According to the poll, only four in ten Democrats want those changes!

So why would Democratic leaders in Congress want to push amnesty, an extremely unpopular measure, now?

Bottom line is this: Reid knows the upcoming election is shaping up very badly for his party. He may lose his majority in the Senate. He very well may lose his own re-election bid. He's polling way behind in Nevada. He's almost out of tricks.

For Reid, passing an Amnesty bill is literally Now or Never! He wants to push through an amnesty now when he may have the votes to overcome a filibuster. And he must be stopped

http://www.numbersusa.com/hub?action=route&rid=79&jid=437316&tid=700529&lid=9

[Southern Man]

4 votes short of 60 votes? From whom?

Have the yes/potentially yes supporters been listed somewhere?

I think I can list plenty of Senate Dems who likely wouldn't vote for it.

Edit: In addition, doesn't the Senate have to deal with the START treaty, financial 'reform', and the SCOTUS nomination within the next few weeks?

[Agorism]

Where is the 4 votes thing?

[Southern Man]

Apparently, the NumberUSA site doesn't seem to link directly to the report.

Here's a similar printing: http://www.resistnet.com/forum/topics/urgent-from-numbers-usa-harry


At a rally of illegal aliens and their supporters in Las Vegas Saturday, Reid said he believed he already had 56 Democratic votes for an Amnesty bill, just short of the 60 needed. And that doesn't count Sen. Lindsay Graham and other Republicans generally favorable to Amnesty.

[Agorism]

I still don't see a quote.

[Southern Man]

I still don't see a quote.It's probably taken from another article or from somewhere,

I think the important thing to notice is that the report stated that Reid believed he had 56 votes.

I know it's a semantics issue but that's still important to notice.

[Agorism]

where is quote from reid?

[devil21]

Even if he did get the 60 votes, the fight in the House would be bloody. Maybe even literally. The Dems that are hanging on to a thread trying to get re-elected won't touch Amnesty with a 10 foot pole after the damage Obamacare has already done to their re-election chances. The only way Amnesty passes before the election is if the Dems do a mass suicide and resolve to turn over most of Congress to the GOP. And then go into hiding in non-extradition tropical countries...

[constituent]

Apparently, the NumberUSA site doesn't seem to link directly to the report.

What a shocker!

[Southern Man]

Even if he did get the 60 votes, the fight in the House would be bloody. Maybe even literally. The Dems that are hanging on to a thread trying to get re-elected won't touch Amnesty with a 10 foot pole after the damage Obamacare has already done to their re-election chances. The only way Amnesty passes before the election is if the Dems do a mass suicide and resolve to turn over most of Congress to the GOP. And then go into hiding in non-extradition tropical countries...I think a lot of them know that their careers are likely over and may still vote for the amnesty bill out of party loyalty and to ensure that their party gets 12-20 million+ voters in a decade or so.

[specsaregood]

I think I can list plenty of Senate Dems who likely wouldn't vote for it.

I can think of a couple Republicans that would likely vote FOR it though.

[silus]

Harry Reid claims only 4 votes short for Amnesty!

Senate Majority Leader promises crowd of Illegal Aliens and their supporters that he will deliver Amnesty; claims to have started work to pass Amnesty 'now'

It's now or never in the U.S. Senate.

"We're going to come back, we're going to have comprehensive immigration reform now," Sen. Reid declared over the weekend.

Yesterday, the Senate returned to Washington, and staffers were scrambling to fulfill Reid's promise that an Amnesty is the next big push.

Amnesty should be too unpopular for Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) and Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) to tackle in an election year.

After all, a CNN poll released yesterday showed that 66% of Americans do not want the path to citizenship made easier for illegal aliens. According to the poll, only four in ten Democrats want those changes!

So why would Democratic leaders in Congress want to push amnesty, an extremely unpopular measure, now?

Bottom line is this: Reid knows the upcoming election is shaping up very badly for his party. He may lose his majority in the Senate. He very well may lose his own re-election bid. He's polling way behind in Nevada. He's almost out of tricks.

For Reid, passing an Amnesty bill is literally Now or Never! He wants to push through an amnesty now when he may have the votes to overcome a filibuster. And he must be stopped

http://www.numbersusa.com/hub?action=route&rid=79&jid=437316&tid=700529&lid=9
How do you expect any reasonable people to keep reading after that opening zinger?

[Pepsi]

The Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, announced that he planned an immediate drive to pass an immigration amnesty bill this year. The Nevada senator told supporters that he believes he already has 56 votes in the Senate in support of the legislation—just four short of the number required to guarantee passage!

Recently Senators Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC) met with President Obama to develop their plans for an amnesty bill.

This is particularly appalling since there are 15 million unemployed American workers. Congress should be looking for ways to reduce immigration, not providing amnesty to at least 8 million illegal alien workers who have broken our laws.

Let your Senators know that you oppose Reid’s efforts. Tell them to reject any bill that includes amnesty or guestworker provisions.

ACTION NEEDED

Tell your Senators to reject Reid’s amnesty proposal and to support enforcement of our immigration laws. Send a fax or an e-mail

http://capwiz.com/caps/issues/alert/?alertid=14935371




I do not like being called a "racist" just because I am against illegal immigrants coming to this country to take away jobs, use our healthcare systems for free, and committing crimes against our society. They are criminals in my mind, as opposed to LEGAL immigrants who come to our great country as the "melting pot" of the world.

That "melting pot" has boiled over into a deep-holed caldron that saps genuine Americans of their resources. Please vote against Mr. Obama's proposed amnesty bill. There are other ways to work together on both aisles of Congress to come up with a workable and humanitarian plan---but not giving the right to vote to illegals...automatically.

The worst part of this supposed immigrant reform plan, is that it is entirely crafted not to genuinely help humanity and its poor, but to OBTAIN MILLIONS of votes.

DO NOT let politics plan the immigration reform bill!

Just like the healthcare reform bill, patriotic Americans are watching your every vote---to see how you are swayed by political leadership with promises, not to mention the promises of supposed re-election if millions of voters are newly-registered just to pass the liberal agenda.

https://secure.conservativedonations.com/rmcpac_amnesty_he/?a=4037



With the ink barely dry on so-called “health care reform,” according to numerous news reports, President Obama and several Members of Congress are now moving full steam ahead with legislation that will grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens.

In fact, according to a recent Washington Post editorial co-authored by Senators Charles Schumer and Lindsey Graham, the two Senators have already met with President Obama and discussed an outline for such legislation. Of course, Graham and Schumer use the same tired old code phrases that politicians used in Washington two years ago when they tried to sneak amnesty past the American people. But just as the American people opposed amnesty legislation in 2007, the American people still oppose it today.

President Obama and some Members of Congress apparently feel emboldened to ram through yet another piece of legislation that the American people overwhelmingly oppose. They think the American people were tired out during the ObamaCare debate. But nothing could be further from the truth!

I urge you to reject any and all legislation that grants amnesty to millions of illegal aliens!

https://fs8.formsite.com/cfiforg/form682490186/secure_index.html

[Cynanthrope]

I think a lot of Dems will probably vote for it due to party loyalty and for potential gain of 10-20 million+ votes.

In addition, I think there may be some Repubs who'll vote for it to pander to the Hispanic community.

[Agorism]

I can't find any website or quote where Reid says he is 4 votes short.

Maybe 3-4 years ago this was the case. I don't think it's being discussed right now though.

[Pete_00]

White people should start taking leasons from everything that is happening.

How everyone is allowed to be ethnocentric except whites. How so many non-whites only see Obama´s skin color. How so many non-whites were crying when whiteman Bush was killing "Ayyrabs" and now its OK because the president is non-white. The "racists" insult against the Tea Party movement. How immigration is used by the elite to make sure they get the right kinds of votes and how so many immigrants think only in terms of race and tribe. Etecetera...etecetera...

One day, in North-America, Europe and Australasia, the non-white population will reach a critical point were the majority of votes will go more and more leftwing (votes based on non-white ethnocentrism if not downright racism against whites). And the Elite will make the leftwing more and more left...and the non-white population will increase even more making the vote go more and more left...and the leftwing going more and more left...snowball effect...

Its best for EVERYONE (whites and non-whites) that white people start to develop the ethnocentrism that has been de-programmed from their heads.

When the black and brown population will reach this critical mass (i dont include asians because most asians are not racist against whites and tend to think in what is best for the country) you can start forgetting "democracy" and think about "secession" and even that will probably be too late...

Its sad but true.

[Pepsi]

I can't find any website or quote where Reid says he is 4 votes short.

Maybe 3-4 years ago this was the case. I don't think it's being discussed right now though.

Here is the video for those of you keep asking.

Harry Reid: Clueless in Las Vegas

YouTube - Harry Reid: Clueless in Las Vegas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpGpnF5Dcmk)

[Pepsi]

bump

[Promontorium]

The Health Insurance passage locked in Obama's win in 2012.

Pelosi could introduce legislation to mandate government take over of all corporations and she'd be re-elected. She could introduce legislation to pay reparations and free citizenship to all Mexicans, and she'd be re-elected. She could get a bill passed that diametrically opposed every liberty listed in the Bill of Rights and she'd be re-elected. If 30 years from now, every other house member, every senator, and the president were all Ron Paul supporters, Pelosi would still be in office. She cannot lose. She cannot die. She can never be defeated.

The tea partiers will ultimately sell out quicker than you guys did for Scott Brown. Some asshole with a cross on his neck and nothing between his eyes and his cowlick will be the archetype choice across the nation by the extreme tea partying minority. "He" won't win. Dems will maintain super power.

Come 2016, Americans will finally be tired of the same old same old. But it will be a toss-up between another socialist Dem, or another socialist Rep. And this will continue. Your great-grandchildren will donate to campaigns of politicians who will promise "smaller" government, and those candidates would look like Communists by today's standards.

[ChaosControl]

Bring it on. It will fail and it'll piss people off and more scum will be voted out.

[Agorism]

White people should start taking leasons from everything that is happening.

How everyone is allowed to be ethnocentric except whites. How so many non-whites only see Obama´s skin color. How so many non-whites were crying when whiteman Bush was killing "Ayyrabs" and now its OK because the president is non-white. The "racists" insult against the Tea Party movement. How immigration is used by the elite to make sure they get the right kinds of votes and how so many immigrants think only in terms of race and tribe. Etecetera...etecetera...

One day, in North-America, Europe and Australasia, the non-white population will reach a critical point were the majority of votes will go more and more leftwing (votes based on non-white ethnocentrism if not downright racism against whites). And the Elite will make the leftwing more and more left...and the non-white population will increase even more making the vote go more and more left...and the leftwing going more and more left...snowball effect...

Its best for EVERYONE (whites and non-whites) that white people start to develop the ethnocentrism that has been de-programmed from their heads.

When the black and brown population will reach this critical mass (i dont include asians because most asians are not racist against whites and tend to think in what is best for the country) you can start forgetting "democracy" and think about "secession" and even that will probably be too late...

Its sad but true.

Sounds tribalistic. No thanks.

[fedup100]

I think a lot of them know that their careers are likely over and may still vote for the amnesty bill out of party loyalty and to ensure that their party gets 12-20 million+ voters in a decade or so.

Oh no, they will all vote for it, this will save their asses in November and was the plan all along. There is no more lawful government. Zero will be king for life.

[Pepsi]

Upset over Arizona’s tough new immigration law – an effort to protect its citizens from murderous drug cartels and stem the violence and kidnappings resulting from the federal government’s failure to secure the border – President Obama and some Members of Congress have now decided to make a push to pass so-called "comprehensive immigration reform," the key provision of which will be amnesty for as many as 12 million illegal aliens.

Our nation has been down this road before. In 1986, Congress passed The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), also known as the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, which was our nation's first major attempt at so-called "Comprehensive Immigration Reform." It included provisions for strict immigration enforcement measures but also granted amnesty to approximately three million illegal aliens. But the federal government never secured the border. And today, it is estimated that there are more than 12 million people living and working in the United States illegally. Rewarding lawlessness only encourages more of it.

The American people rejected Amnesty on more than one occasion over the last several years and still oppose it today; and the effort by some politicians in Washington to now exploit the Arizona law in an effort to reward illegal aliens with legal status is, frankly, appalling. I urge you to reject any and all legislation that includes Amnesty for illegal aliens! Furthermore, I urge you to secure the border now, before other states are forced to act to protect their citizens!

https://fs8.formsite.com/cfiforg/form997833269/secure_index.html

[Linus]

Wow, people are actually discussing that absurd "article" from the OP as if it really happened. Are you kidding me? And then people are here talking about "whites needing to be more ethnocentric"? This site has been infiltrated.

[Pepsi]

I did posted a video of him saying it.

[Linus]

To a "crowd of illegal aliens"? No, you didn't. Nor does he promise "amnesty" to all illegals or any such silliness. I hope you know how resentful I am at being forced into the position of seeming to defend Harry Reid as a legislator.

[MelissaWV]

Wow, people are actually discussing that absurd "article" from the OP as if it really happened. Are you kidding me? And then people are here talking about "whites needing to be more ethnocentric"? This site has been infiltrated.

There will always be a number of people like that on this site. The desire for freedom means freedom for those we don't agree with, too, which often means standing shoulder to shoulder with folks I find to be ignorant and misguided. I fully support their right to be that way and, in fact, would be glad of a world where we could dismiss one another, refuse each other services/goods, and generally not be forced to interact and be "diverse." :D

[Linus]

There will always be a number of people like that on this site. The desire for freedom means freedom for those we don't agree with, too, which often means standing shoulder to shoulder with folks I find to be ignorant and misguided. I fully support their right to be that way and, in fact, would be glad of a world where we could dismiss one another, refuse each other services/goods, and generally not be forced to interact and be "diverse." :D

Yeah, my best friend is a legal hispanic immigrant, so I've never had any problem with being forced to be diverse. I'm really not sure what that phrase even means. It seems like there's still plenty of opportunity in this country for scared white folks to only associate with other scared white folks; just look at the Republican party. I oppose affirmative action that is based on ethnicity rather than income, but other than that I've never felt "forced" to tolerate anyone based on ethnicity or "race."

And I'm not claiming that racists shouldn't be allowed here or anywhere else, only that they are political poison, with good reason.

I guess everyone has to choose their own priorities.

[bobbyw24]

Is a biometric, national ID card an immigration game changer?

The Democrats' immigration-reform proposal (pdf) is 26 pages long. Pages 8 through 18 are devoted to "ending illegal employment through biometric employment verification." I don't think the Democrats are going to like me calling this a biometric national ID card, as they go to great lengths to say that it is not a national ID card, and make it "unlawful for any person, corporation; organization local, state, or federal law enforcement officer; local or state government; or any other entity to require or even ask an individual cardholder to produce their social security card for any purpose other than electronic verification of employment eligibility and verification of identity for Social Security Administration purposes."

But it's still a biometric national ID card. It's handed out by the Social Security Administration and employers are required to check it when hiring new employees. Essentially, if you want to participate in the American economy, you need this card. "Within five (5) years of the date of enactment, the fraud-proof social security card will serve as the sole acceptable document to be produced by an employee to an employer for employment verification purposes," the bill says. "This requirement will exist even if the employer does not yet possess the capability to electronically verify the employee by scanning the card through a card reader."

The theory here is simple: Illegal immigration is a problem because illegal immigrants can get jobs. As the bill says, "in order to prevent future waves of illegal immigration, this proposal recognizes that no matter what we do on the border, our ports of entry, and in the interior, we will not be completely effective unless we can prevent the hiring, recruitment, or referral of unauthorized aliens in America’s workplaces. Jobs are what draw illegal immigrants to the United States."

That's why some think the biometric ID card a game changer for immigration politics. Enforcement might be popular, but the public knows full well that it doesn't really work. As things stand, the border is pretty militarized but the flow of illegal immigrants hasn't stopped. By focusing on the employment prospects of illegal immigrants and forcing workplaces to use biometric identification, Democrats hope to convince people that they have a real strategy for ending the problem of illegal immigration. And if they can convince people of that, they think they can get a path to legalization for the existing community of illegal immigrants as a way to mop up the remainder of the problem.

The oddity of this strategy, of course, is that anti-immigration sentiments run highest among the same communities that are most opposed to national ID cards. Now, it's also the case that if you're going to support citizenship searches for people with Hispanic-looking shoes, it's a bit odd to worry about an ID card to verify employment. But even so, without Republicans on the bill to give this strategy cover, it'll be interesting to see whether the anti-immigrant right embraces the ID card as a way of staunching the flow of illegal immigrants or assails Democrats for trying to create a biometric police state.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/04/is_a_biometric_national_id_car.html

[moostraks]

In this chess game the pricks in office won this match. Allow illegal immigrants amnesty or accept a biometric id card. Pick your poison...

By not having borders they can slide right into regional rather than national control (See NWO goals from the mouthy bastard Rockefeller) thus removing representation to an even more distant arena. Accept biometric id and they have their eyes upon every move you make as it will inevitably become the default only secure id acceptable for transactions somewhere in the future.

Currently it seems we are screwed...

[HOLLYWOOD]

Harry Reid is a Major embarassment to NEVADA and especially the fools that follow this socialist kook. The only reason REID is a Senator is the Dumbocrats in Vegas and the majority of Mormon votes in the Rural areas last round. REID won't get the rural votes this round, but he's still pushing through his suicide amnesty bill which I presume has some sorta reward in the afterlife from the Senate... like in 7 figure job.

These hacks are all the same... Democrats want the immigrant votes and the Republicans want cheap labor for the corporations. Additionally, the "projected replacement" in Nov is another big government scumbag: Sue Lowden (R) (She's leading all polls)

We're all screwed


Here is the video for those of you keep asking.

Harry Reid: Clueless in Las Vegas

YouTube - Harry Reid: Clueless in Las Vegas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpGpnF5Dcmk)

[Pepsi]

Amnesty? Bureaucrats already drawing up plan to implement $1 billion, 30-week processing program revealed in leaked 14-page Homeland Security memo

The U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services, a division of the Department of Homeland Security, already has drafted a plan for processing 13 million illegal alien applicants for amnesty in a 30-week period at an estimated cost of $1 billion, WND has learned.

The plan, a copy of which was obtained by WND, anticipates the approval of so-called "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" legislation pending in Congress and assumes a nine-month ramp-up period for processing of applications.

The undated draft report anticipates the possibility of the legislation requiring public benefits to amnesty applicants.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=153869