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Old Ducker
04-13-2010, 01:19 PM
Peak Oil is here:


US military warns oil output may dip causing massive shortages by 2015
Shortfall could reach 10m barrels a day, report says
Cost of crude oil is predicted to top $100 a barrel
The US military has warned that surplus oil production capacity could disappear within two years and there could be serious shortages by 2015 with a significant economic and political impact.

The energy crisis outlined in a Joint Operating Environment report from the US Joint Forces Command, comes as the price of petrol in Britain reaches record levels and the cost of crude is predicted to soon top $100 a barrel.

“By 2012, surplus oil production capacity could entirely disappear, and as early as 2015, the shortfall in output could reach nearly 10 million barrels per day,” says the report, which has a foreword by a senior commander, General James N Mattis.

It adds: “While it is difficult to predict precisely what economic, political, and strategic effects such a shortfall might produce, it surely would reduce the prospects for growth in both the developing and developed worlds. Such an economic slowdown would exacerbate other unresolved tensions, push fragile and failing states further down the path toward collapse, and perhaps have serious economic impact on both China and India.”

The US military says its views cannot be taken as US government policy but admits they are meant to provide the Joint Forces with “an intellectual foundation upon which we will construct the concept to guide out future force developments.”

The warning is the latest in a series from around the world that has turned peak oil – the moment when demand exceeds supply – from a distant threat to a more immediate risk.

The Wicks Review on UK energy policy published last summer effectively dismissed fears but Lord Hunt, the British energy minister, met concerned industrialists two weeks ago in a sign that it is rapidly changing its mind on the seriousness of the issue.

The Paris-based International Energy Agency remains confident that there is no short-term risk of oil shortages but privately some senior officials have admitted there is considerable disagreement internally about this upbeat stance.

Future fuel supplies are of acute importance to the US army because it is believed to be the biggest single user of petrol in the world. BP chief executive, Tony Hayward, said recently that there was little chance of crude from the carbon-heavy Canadian tar sands being banned in America because the US military like to have local supplies rather than rely on the politically unstable Middle East.

But there are signs that the US Department of Energy might also be changing its stance on peak oil. In a recent interview with French newspaper, Le Monde, Glen Sweetnam, main oil adviser to the Obama administration, admitted that “a chance exists that we may experience a decline” of world liquid fuels production between 2011 and 2015 if the investment was not forthcoming.

Lionel Badal, a post-graduate student at Kings College, London, who has been researching peak oil theories, said the review by the American military moves the debate on.

“It’s surprising to see that the US Army, unlike the US Department of Energy, publicly warns of major oil shortages in the near-term. Now it could be interesting to know on which study the information is based on,” he said.

“The Energy Information Administration (of the department of energy) has been saying for years that Peak Oil was “decades away”. In light of the report from the US Joint Forces Command, is the EIA still confident of its previous highly optimistic conclusions?”

The Joint Operating Environment report paints a bleak picture of what can happen on occasions when there is serious economic upheaval. “One should not forget that the Great Depression spawned a number of totalitarian regimes that sought economic prosperity for their nations by ruthless conquest,” it points out.


The full report here (http://www.fas.org/man/eprint/joe2010.pdf)

Thanks to Jim Quinn (http://www.theburningplatform.com)

constituent
04-13-2010, 01:38 PM
The US military says its views cannot be taken as US government policy but admits they are meant to provide the Joint Forces with “an intellectual foundation upon which we will construct the concept to guide out future force developments.”


Tells me all I need to know. Reckon I'll be taking this one with a grain of salt.

Original_Intent
04-13-2010, 01:42 PM
Pretty weird since I just read that the U.S. just topped off its reserves in late December, and virtually all land storage is overflowing so they have tankers sitting idle and full offshore.

I would say the expectation is that Iran will be "offline" by 2015, it has nothing to do with peak oil.

Anti Federalist
04-13-2010, 01:47 PM
There is a reason the system invaded Iraq.

^^^

pcosmar
04-13-2010, 01:49 PM
The planned closing of the Straits of Hormuz will negatively affect the oil supply. ;)

Krugerrand
04-13-2010, 01:55 PM
It all sounds like a good reason to buy more fancy military devices.

pcosmar
04-13-2010, 01:59 PM
It all sounds like a good reason to buy more fancy military devices.
I was thinking more along the lines of a horse..or two.

charrob
04-13-2010, 02:00 PM
we need to stop subsidizing the oil industry and let prices go up dramatically to stop America's holiday with oil. From the looks of things on the road, there is NO oil shortage: if there was, Americans who scream about oil prices would trade in their SUVs for efficient Honda Fits, etc. I'm not saying there should be any laws as such (if people want to pay, fine) but that the market would sort itself out and a good number of people would choose to trade their gas guzzlers in; this was, sadly, already happening when the prices were increasing to $4/gallon...unfortunately now that the prices are down to the point where you would think that there is a glut of oil, people are trading their efficient cars back in for their gas guzzlers.

last week we took a walk on a rather busy road in our neighborhood at rush-hour, and decided to tally the number of gas-guzzling, single occupant, SUVs hauling just ONE person to their jobs: the result was that 9 out of 10 vehicles belonged in this category (the other vehicle was a small car with a single occupant).

increasing the supply of oil is NOT the answer. you don't get rid of an addiction by feeding it. unfortunately it seems that people have got to feel pain for there to be a change.

Additionally, regarding Obama's new proposal to "drill baby drill", we have got such a glut of Natural Gas in this country that wells are currently being shut down! Why is it that Obama absolutely refuses to discuss Natural Gas? Why is no one screaming about this?

Delaware was already well along in their effort to install windmills off their coast in the ocean-- and since there's always wind at the beach no matter how still the day elsewhere, this energy is a constant and fully dependable source of energy: the amounts of energy produced from these windmills would exceed the energy produced by the oil Obama plans to drill off the east coast. However, apparently work toward installing these windmills will stop because Obama has decided to drill for oil, which will destroy businesses, tourism, beaches, wildlife, and critical wetlands, that completely line the entire east coast for what has been determined to be: less than 1 percent of the oil this country uses on a day to day basis.

Angry, you bet I am! :mad:

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charrob
04-13-2010, 02:34 PM
Pretty weird since I just read that the U.S. just topped off its reserves in late December, and virtually all land storage is overflowing so they have tankers sitting idle and full offshore.


...just curious, where did you read this?

constituent
04-13-2010, 02:49 PM
last week we took a walk on a rather busy road in our neighborhood at rush-hour, and decided to tally the number of gas-guzzling, single occupant, SUVs hauling just ONE person to their jobs: the result was that 9 out of 10 vehicles belonged in this category (the other vehicle was a small car with a single occupant).

were you in texas?

charrob
04-13-2010, 02:53 PM
were you in texas?

why Texas?

awake
04-13-2010, 02:56 PM
You have a shortage of energy because legislation and regulation make it near impossible to find and develop new supplies without being harassed and attacked. Energy shortages are due to government control. The rest is propaganda to justify the controls.

Brian4Liberty
04-13-2010, 03:00 PM
And the military has done so much to conserve fuel in the past ten years... :rolleyes:

constituent
04-13-2010, 04:34 PM
why Texas?

'cuz almost everyone drives a truck or suv.

charrob
04-13-2010, 06:06 PM
'cuz almost everyone drives a truck or suv.

oh, no this is in Maryland. Sounds the same though.

Cutlerzzz
04-13-2010, 06:06 PM
http://mises.org/daily/1717

http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/6293.aspx

Krugerrand
04-13-2010, 07:52 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of a horse..or two.

sorry ... I meant the military will want to buy more war things.

BenIsForRon
04-13-2010, 07:54 PM
Additionally, regarding Obama's new proposal to "drill baby drill", we have got such a glut of Natural Gas in this country that wells are currently being shut down! Why is it that Obama absolutely refuses to discuss Natural Gas? Why is no one screaming about this?


http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs371.snc3/23828_116431551703804_100000108791083_292824_45136 3_s.jpg

Are we supposed to convert our 250 million-plus automobiles to natural gas? If we do, we'll be talking about peak natural gas before long.

Reducing energy consumption is the only way to go.

pcosmar
04-13-2010, 07:58 PM
Reducing energy consumption is the only way to go.

It will be severely reduced soon.
Better hope you are not dependent on food shipments.

MN Patriot
04-13-2010, 08:57 PM
We have plenty of oil in tar sands and oil shale. If the enviro-wackos let us use them, there will be no shortage for a long time. Eventually we will have some sort of energy source that will allow us all to drive massive SUVs and waste as much energy as we want. Kind of like the 60's.