Interesting tidbits from my studying tonight for exam tomorrow...

[Reason]

The UK does not have a constitution.

France tried nationalization of many private industries during the 80's, it failed, and was stopped.

The proposed EU constitution was,

450 pages long including 448 Articles...

US constitution is 30 pages long with 7 Articles...

The EU constitution was never adopted because unanimous approval was needed by all 27 member countries and France & The Netherlands said no.

Anti-American sentiment is reportedly very high within the EU mostly due to Iraq.

France's version of the supreme court only has judicial review power before a bill is signed by the president.

Interesting stuff to study imo :cool:

[silus]

The UK does not have a constitution.

France tried nationalization of many private industries during the 80's, it failed, and was stopped.

The proposed EU constitution was,

450 pages long including 448 Articles...

US constitution is 30 pages long with 7 Articles...

The EU constitution was never adopted because unanimous approval was needed by all 27 member countries and France & The Netherlands said no.

Anti-American sentiment is reportedly very high within the EU mostly due to Iraq.

France's version of the supreme court only has judicial review power before a bill is signed by the president.

Interesting stuff to study imo :cool:
The EU Constitution was approved. They just changed the name and prevented people from voting on it in a referendum. Sweet, huh. And i'm really curious about why your exam studying would leave that out.

Also, the EU Constitution did not pass because of France and The Netherlands, they were simply the first to vote. And after they voted they made all other votes irrelevant. It was then scrapped. Time was allowed to pass and then they introduced the Lisbon treaty, which unlike the EU constitution did not require voter approval. It was approved through the legislative body of each country. Ireland, though, had a robust constitution that forced a referendum. They voted no, and put a halt to the entire thing. And I kid you not, politicians everywhere, including the EU president, were attacking Ireland as the ungrateful blockade to progress. Its as if everyone forgot they were the only country that was allowed to even vote. And forget about how the Lisbon treaty is just a reworked EU constitution.

It was decided that Ireland only voted no because they were ignorant of what they were voting for. Ireland voted again and they approved it. Sad. But this is history. But its shocking how democracy works only when you choose correctly.

[hugolp]

The EU Constitution was approved. They just changed the name and prevented people from voting on it in a referendum. Sweet, huh. And i'm really curious about why your exam studying would leave that out.

Also, the EU Constitution did not pass because of France and The Netherlands, they were simply the first to vote. And after they voted they made all other votes irrelevant. It was then scrapped. Time was allowed to pass and then they introduced the Lisbon treaty, which unlike the EU constitution did not require voter approval. It was approved through the legislative body of each country. Ireland, though, had a robust constitution that forced a referendum. They voted no, and put a halt to the entire thing. And I kid you not, politicians everywhere, including the EU president, were attacking Ireland as the ungrateful blockade to progress. Its as if everyone forgot they were the only country that was allowed to even vote. And forget about how the Lisbon treaty is just a reworked EU constitution.

It was decided that Ireland only voted no because they were ignorant of what they were voting for. Ireland voted again and they approved it. Sad. But this is history. But its shocking how democracy works only when you choose correctly.

And in the second Ireland vote they were promised a bunch of "political candy" to buy the yes vote.

[Baptist]

Something that we should not take for granted is trial by jury. In Western Europe they are on the path to completely doing away with it. I hope that we always have it here, but I would not be surprised if we lost it eventually. I took a judicial process class and apparently there is some talk amongst lawyers, judges and government officials that it would be more efficient if we could move away from juries.

[silus]

One thing i'm surprised over is how little attention this received. It was out in the open, full on corruption. That is the only way you can describe Ireland being forced to vote on the Lisbon treaty a second time because they didn't vote correctly the first time.

[Reason]

I brought up to my professor how the majority of the content from the proposed constitution was placed in the Lisbon treaty and passed and he was surprised...

He had no idea...

/facepalm

[Reason]

On 29 May 2005 the French public rejected the Constitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_European_Constitution_referendum,_2005) by margin of 55% to 45% on a turn out of 69%. And just three days later the Dutch rejected the constitution by a margin of 61% to 39% on a turnout of 62%.
Notwithstanding the rejection in France and the Netherlands, Luxembourg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg) held a referendum on 10 July 2005 approving the Constitution by 57% to 43%. It was the last referendum to be held on the Constitution as all of the other member states that had proposed to hold referendums cancelled them.
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Treaty_establishing_a_Constitution _for_Europe&action=edit&section=5)] Post-rejection

After the French and Dutch referendum results European leaders decided to hold a "period of reflection" on what to do next.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Constitution#cite_note-5) As part of this reflection period a "group of wise men" was set up to consider possible courses of action.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Constitution#cite_note-6)This group of high-level European politicians - former Prime Ministers, ministers and members of the European Commission - first met on 30 September 2006 in Rome.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Constitution#cite_note-7)
On 4 June 2007, this group, known as the Amato Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amato_Group), presented its report. They proposed to establish a new Inter-Governmental Conference with a view to writing a new treaty which would rewrite the Treaty on European Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_European_Union), amend the Treaty establishing the European Community (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_the_European_Community) and give the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_Fundamental_Rights_of_the_European_Unio n) a legally binding status. The new treaty would be based on the first and fourth parts of the Constitution, the rest of the Constitutions changes being achieved through amendments to the Treaty of Rome.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Constitution#cite_note-8)
In the June 2007 European summit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_summit) meeting, Member States agreed to abandon the constitution and to amend the existing treaties, which would remain in force. They also agreed a detailed mandate for a new intergovernmental conference to negotiate a new treaty containing such amendments to the existing treaties (primarily the Treaty of Rome and the Treaty of Maastricht). These negotiations were completed by the end of the year, the new treaty which had previously been referred to as the Reform Treaty become the Lisbon Treaty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisbon_Treaty) on its signing in Lisbon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisbon) on 13 December 2007.

[nate895]

The UK does have a constitution, it just isn't written. It is based on a variety of statutes, documents, court rulings, royal decrees, and special constitutional sessions of parliament dating back almost 1,000 years.

[Uriel999]

The UK does have a constitution, it just isn't written. It is based on a variety of statutes, documents, court rulings, royal decrees, and special constitutional sessions of parliament dating back almost 1,000 years.

Well technically it is written, its just a shit ton of writing. Otherwise your spot on. :p

[silus]

I brought up to my professor how the majority of the content from the proposed constitution was placed in the Lisbon treaty and passed and he was surprised...

He had no idea...

/facepalm
LoL

Ron Paul Forums making a difference...

[nate895]

Well technically it is written, its just a shit ton of writing. Otherwise your spot on. :p

What is meant by that is that there isn't a single document entitled "The Constitution of the United Kingdom," just a whole bunch of writings that are deemed "constitutional" by precedent.

[nate895]

I brought up to my professor how the majority of the content from the proposed constitution was placed in the Lisbon treaty and passed and he was surprised...

He had no idea...

/facepalm

What an idiot. He needs to be fired. I haven't graduated from HS yet (2 months, plus I'll have an AA as well) and I could probably teach the class better.

What school do you attend?

[silus]

What an idiot. He needs to be fired. I haven't graduated from HS yet (2 months, plus I'll have an AA as well) and I could probably teach the class better.

What school do you attend?
About to submit college applications?

[nate895]

About to submit college applications?

Quite frankly, I don't care who gives me a certificate of attendance for my undergrad degree, even if the teachers are idiots. I am more worried about going to a decent seminary for my M.Div. and then a decent university for my Ph.D. in Epistemology.

[silus]

Quite frankly, I don't care who gives me a certificate of attendance for my undergrad degree, even if the teachers are idiots. I am more worried about going to a decent seminary for my M.Div. and then a decent university for my Ph.D. in Epistemology.
Mind if I ask what career path that leads to...? Just curious. I did a semester at Biola University. Pretty nice place if you are interested.

[nate895]

Mind if I ask what career path that leads to...? Just curious. I did a semester at Biola University. Pretty nice place if you are interested.

Lots of stuff, actually. The Church always needs minsters, and I can teach at seminary or philosophy. I can also write on philosophy/theology. I am planning my massive tome now....

I am not gonna be rich, but I won't starve and I'll be doing what I love the most.

Edit: 666 posts for you...LOL

Also, as for Biola, I know it's a pretty good school, but I am getting my four-years locally to save money for graduate work. Those bills will add up fast. Also, I already have two-years from a community college for free, so I don't want it to go to waste.