One Day Soon, We’ll All Be “Homegrown Terrorists”

[pcosmar]

http://neithercorp.us/npress/?p=276


One Day Soon, We’ll All Be “Homegrown Terrorists”
If the ADL and the SPLC had existed in the early days of the American Independence Movement, before a shot was ever fired, they would have called men like John Adams and Thomas Jefferson “terrorists”, good men, who only wanted to be free. There is little difference between our situation then, and our situation now, except that the terminology has changed, and indeed, we know even more about who we are fighting.

While being categorized as a homegrown terrorist may be a frightening prospect, what other people are led to believe about us is not so important. What is important is that we do not start to believe it ourselves. That we are not made to feel guilty for wanting to determine our own destinies, for wanting to keep government out of our lives and our children’s lives. We are not the instigators of this conflict, we are not the antagonists of this story. In the end, we are the deciders of this conflict. We are the authors of this story.

It is possible we will soon see an acceleration of our own malignment over the coming year. We will be ridiculed, condemned, and perhaps some of us even incarcerated. Violent attacks against innocent Americans will likely be carried out, some by real and misguided people, some engineered by government. We cannot allow these acts to be forced upon us as implied persona. We cannot allow others to speak for us, because others are unlikely to speak the truth. And most crucial of all, we cannot ever be afraid to speak for ourselves. The ultimate triumph for the Elites would be our silence.

Affirm your freedoms as an unbound man, cut the air, forceful and clear, let the world listen, and never stop.

The entire article is worth the read.

eyes and ears open.

[Inkblots]

Boy, pcosmar, you sure do like to talk about the ADL a lot. And I'm still not 100% sure why you dislike them so much.

[pcosmar]

Boy, pcosmar, you sure do like to talk about the ADL a lot. And I'm still not 100% sure why you dislike them so much.

And yet you seem awfully fond of them.
Care to say why? ;)

[Anti Federalist]

The story linked to a Time piece, typical SPLC says this, SPLC say that...

One sane comment worth reposting:


Richard

From the article
"Still, the Hutaree are a symptom of the continuing militia phenomenon, one that seems to have gained impetus since the election of Barack Obama as the first African-American President'

Oddly enough, the SPLC has been stating that the number of "hate groups" in America have been increasing about 6% a year, since 2000, (Even though there is no legal definition of "hate group"). (http://wp.me/pCLYZ-K)

And yet, for 2009, the first full year of the Obama Administration, the SPLC only reports an increase of SIX "hate groups," or about six-tenths of one percent, the LOWEST alleged increase, according to the SPLC's own numbers, in decades.

So which IS it? Has the number of "hate groups" increased dramatically since President Obama took office, as the SPLC claims, or have they increased by the lowest number in decades, as the SPLC claims?

You can't have it both ways.

Are there NO editors left at Time who look into these things?


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1976308,00.html?xid=rss-fullnation-yahoo#ixzz0kTOsrkKG

[Anti Federalist]

Boy, pcosmar, you sure do like to talk about the ADL a lot. And I'm still not 100% sure why you dislike them so much.

You're not serious are you?

That's a gag right?

[pcosmar]

You're not serious are you?

That's a gag right?

Nope.
Been here before.
Not worth the waste of time :(

An Inkblot is a waste of a perfectly good blank space.

[Inkblots]

You're not serious are you?

That's a gag right?

No...


And yet you seem awfully fond of them.
Care to say why? ;)

Well, as I've said before, they do good yeoman's work on Jewish issues, and they're a great resource for information on the Holocaust. I've consulted reports and briefs from their website many times.

They're good at what they do, and who can fault them for being on the constant look-out for anti-Jewish bias? I mean, I'm a Catholic, and I'm grateful for the Catholic League, which does pretty much the same thing for us.

Oh, and I'm being paid by the Goldman-Sachs. That, too. :cool:

[Danke]

Boy, pcosmar, you sure do like to talk about the ADL a lot. And I'm still not 100% sure why you dislike them so much.

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb214/chrisrooR/LOL-WUT-IT.gif

[Anti Federalist]

From the article:


It is possible we will soon see an acceleration of our own malignment over the coming year. We will be ridiculed, condemned, and perhaps some of us even incarcerated. Violent attacks against innocent Americans will likely be carried out, some by real and misguided people, some engineered by government. We cannot allow these acts to be forced upon us as implied persona. We cannot allow others to speak for us, because others are unlikely to speak the truth. And most crucial of all, we cannot ever be afraid to speak for ourselves. The ultimate triumph for the Elites would be our silence.

[Inkblots]

<lol whut>

Spinning fruit is spinning.

And Anti-Fed, that article wasn't written by the ADL, was it? I don't think they're trying to smear anyone, they're just doing their job. And if in doing so they help keep us motivated to reject and avoid violent extremists infiltrating the Liberty movement, I say: good on 'em!

In short: they fill an important niche in the marketplace of ideas, and benefit the discourse by their presence.

[Anti Federalist]

November 20th, 2007

A Personal Message from Aaron Zelman
Under the current laws of the United States of America, tax-exempt educational organizations like Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (of which I happen to be the founder and executive director) are strictly prohibited from engaging directly in electoral politics. That's why it's important to make sure you understand thoroughly that the following opinions are entirely mine, at the present moment, and do not necessarily reflect those of JPFO.

I have before me an article in which the Anti-Defamation League's "Assistant Director of Civil Rights", Steven Freeman is attempting to take Republican Congressman -- and dark horse Presidential Candidate -- Ron Paul to task for receiving a small campaign contribution from an otherwise obscure individual who turns out to run a white supremist website.

Aside from noting that, rather like the American Civil Liberties Union, the ADL's devotion to civil rights is rather hypocritically selective -- for example, they can't abide the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment, and can barely tolerate anyone who employs his or her right to free speech in order to defend the private ownership of weapons -- there are one or two questions this sudden concern evokes.

Apparently there's a small handful, out there, of similar websites which, for some reason defying all logic, offer support to a man who is, in fact, their mortal ideological enemy. Paul, as I interpret what he has said over the past 20 years, is for individual freedom above all other considerations. Obviously racists and neofascists are collectivists, meaning that to them, it is the group that comes first, far above and beyond the interests of any "mere" individual. They are, therefore, socialists of one stripe or another (never forget that Hitler considered himself a socialist), and the enemies of freedom.

"Nazi" is an acronym for "National Socialist Workers' Party".

Why these socialists should admire Paul is a puzzlement. But then, they are what they are -- racists and neofascists -- so none of their lunatic thought processes should be taken very seriously, nor should the object of their irrationality be held in any way responsible for them.

Of course the ADL's real objective here is to force a candidate whom they see as their ideological enemy (once again, much more a matter of the eye of the beholder than of any character flaw their enemy may possess) to do a little dance for them whenever they feel like it. They want to push him through the ceremonial meat-slicer of renunciation, regret, and remorse that so many others have been pushed through in recent years. The trouble is that, like every other form of blackmail, it never ends. The instant he complies with their demands, he becomes their property, their toy, their organ-grinder's monkey, no longer a threat to the anti-Constitutional establishment they are part of.

It's clear that, before the ADL starts accusing anybody else of being unduly influenced by political undesirables, they have a few questions of their own to answer under the harsh light of public scrutiny. For example, to how many self-proclaimed Marxists might some tiny minority of donations to the ADL be traced? It's statistically inevitable that such a thing has happened, probably more than once. To my (admittedly incomplete) knowledge, they have never renounced such supporters or sent any money back. Does this make ADL a communist front group? I certainly don't think so, but by ADL's own standard, it does.

Much more importantly, the ADL has a little housecleaning of its own to do before they start pointing fingers. How can anybody take anything about them seriously as long as they continue to defend a blatantly unconstitutional federal law -- the late Senator Thomas Dodd's infamous 1968 Gun Control Act -- that is very little more than a translation into English (one performed at Dodd's written request by the Library of Congress) of Adolf Hitler's evil weapons legislation of 1938?

Go see for yourself a photograph of the actual letter that Dodd received from Lewis C. Coffin, Law Librarian of the Library of Congress, cheerfully replying to Dodd's request for a translation of the original Nazi legislation which the ADL presently supports. You might enjoy this too. ADL's shameful approval and compliance have helped turn a once-insignificant bureaucracy into a new Gestapo and a once-free America into a police state.

Furthermore, in light of the incontrovertible fact that every one of history's massive genocide campaigns was preceded by the forcible removal of weapons from private hands (as what politician wouldn't want to make sure the individuals he or she was planning to murder in cold blood couldn't fight back?), how can the ADL justify any kind of gun control laws -- more accurately termed "victim disarmament" -- at all?

Surely Abe Foxman, current national director of the ADL ought to know better. As a boy, most of his relatives were murdered by the Nazis precisely because they had been deprived of the means to defend themselves.

By contrast, see a webpage dedicated to the impressive accomplishments of a 2003 JPFO movie Innocents Betrayed where Paul himself is quoted as saying, "Innocents Betrayed has an important message for America. It shows why gun control must always be rejected, and it shows it very convincingly."

It's long past time for the ADL to do a little dance of their own, a dance of renunciation, regret, and remorse for the hundreds, or the thousands, or perhaps even the millions of innocent individuals that the policies they advocate are responsible for having injured or killed.

They must apologize to the shopkeeper, robbed, maimed, and killed because government, at one level or another, under policies the ADL has helped to shape -- allowed him nothing with which to defend himself.

They must apologize to the helpless woman who was raped and murdered because she wasn't permitted the physical means of self- defense.

They must apologize to the families of those who died needlessly because pressure groups like the ADL would rather see them all dead in a darkened alley somewhere than see them alive with a gun in their hand.

Go look at that handbill again. Send it out (along with this message, of course) to everyone you know, to all your friends and associates, to every enemy of freedom you have an e-mail address or URL for. ADL's hypocrisy must be exposed for what it is. Encourage everyone you know to write to the ADL and ask about their repulsive double standard. Ask them exactly what sort of moral compass Abe Foxman has that can allow that double standard to influence his own organization.

Visit ADL at http://www.adl.org/contact_us.asp .

Please understand, we are all living -- or at least we ought to be -- in a Bill of Rights culture, and that the ADL and racist groups have a right to express their opinions freely, although I personally think they're both festering boils full of pus on the derriere of the American body politic. But for the ADL to refer to itself as a civil rights organization is pure humbug. It is the Anti-Defamation League, and not Congressman Ron Paul, who are guilty by association -- with themselves.

ADL, burn in Hell.

Permission granted to distribute without additions or deletions.
Copyright © Aaron Zelman 2007

[LibertyWorker]

Boy, pcosmar, you sure do like to talk about the ADL a lot. And I'm still not 100% sure why you dislike them so much.

don't you find it odd that an organization called the anti-defamation league spends a lot of their time engaging in defamation of other people and organizations?

The ADL ,JDL ,SPLC,AIPAC are all dirt bag organizations that coordinate with each other to demonize anybody who doesn't buy their agenda.

By far AIPAC is the worst they are essentially a foreign government influencing our foreign-policy through bribery threats and intimidation of our elected officials.

[phill4paul]

Boy, pcosmar, you sure do like to talk about the ADL a lot. And I'm still not 100% sure why you dislike them so much.

Ya know. Imma gonna just offer this up. Then I'll give it right back.

Any group that promotes it's own agenda/ whether the ADL, KKK, SPLC, , AARP or the frikken boy scouts, that interjects themselves into the politics of America, contributes to political campaigns in the hopes of buying favoritism, doesn't fucking deserve the time of day.

Fuck anybody that buys political favoritism.

Now, Imma given it back.

[Anti Federalist]

Spinning fruit is spinning.

And Anti-Fed, that article wasn't written by the ADL, was it? I don't think they're trying to smear anyone, they're just doing their job. And if in doing so they help keep us motivated to reject and avoid violent extremists infiltrating the Liberty movement, I say: good on 'em!

In short: they fill an important niche in the marketplace of ideas, and benefit the discourse by their presence.

Wow.

Just wow.

"Tax Protesters" are listed on their site as an "extremist group"

Peter Schiff's father, Irwin, is listed by name.

And they also list Hal Turner by name, although he's a fed.

They have, like SPLC, government's full attention, they write the definitions.

SPLC wrote the MIAC report that singled us all out as " potential terrorists".

And you defend these groups?

Wow.

[Danke]

nvm

[speciallyblend]

beck already said we are!!!

YouTube - Glen Beck Smears Ron Paul Supporters As Terrorists (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JBGPjDE1MI)

i like this guy:)

[Inkblots]

"Tax Protesters" are listed on their site as an "extremist group"

Well, they are, aren't they? 'Extremism' doesn't have a moral character (c.f. "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice"), but surely you concede that anyone who is willing to go to prison for their views, be they anti-tax, anti-war, or other, is VERY devoted, or indeed, extremely devoted. They may argue that all extremism is bad and wish to see moderation - a statement with which I DO disagree - but I see nothing wrong with this charge as such.


SPLC wrote the MIAC report that singled us all out as "potential terrorists".

I had the impression that DHL wrote that report. Certainly it may have cited SPLC reports, but I thought the issue wasn't that a private advocacy group was saying these things, but that the government itself was spreading fear about people based on their political beliefs.


And you defend these groups?

Well, I certainly disagree with their political views. But in the case of the ADL, at least, yes, for the reasons above. If they didn't exist, I suspect we'd need to create them.

[speciallyblend]

i guess i am a marijuana extremist, cause i have been fined and jailed and they will never stop me from enjoying my dam brownies;) or would they call me a HomeGrown Terrorist??? pun intended!!!

[Anti Federalist]

Well, they are, aren't they? 'Extremism' doesn't have a moral character (c.f. "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice"), but surely you concede that anyone who is willing to go to prison for their views, be they anti-tax, anti-war, or other, is VERY devoted, or indeed, extremely devoted. They may argue that all extremism is bad and wish to see moderation - a statement with which I DO disagree - but I see nothing wrong with this charge as such.

OK, fair enough.

Then you agree with the OP's premise of this thread then, that we are all "terrorists", given that "terrorists" and "extremists" are synonymous in the public's mind


I had the impression that DHL wrote that report. Certainly it may have cited SPLC reports, but I thought the issue wasn't that a private advocacy group was saying these things, but that the government itself was spreading fear about people based on their political beliefs.

The report was written using SPLC and ADL "research" by the fed/state "fusion center".


Well, I certainly disagree with their political views. But in the case of the ADL, at least, yes, for the reasons above. If they didn't exist, I suspect we'd need to create them.

Why is that, because we're all latent racists and antisemitics?

[QueenB4Liberty]

The adl creates a lot of anti-Jewish bias so they can pretend to fight it. There is hardly any anti-semitism against Jews in this country.

[Philhelm]

Then you agree with the OP's premise of this thread then, that we are all "terrorists", given that "terrorists" and "extremists" are synonymous in the public's mind.


Exactly. The language being used at present has been carefully constructed so that it can be used against U.S. citizens. Words such as extremist, WMD, militia, Christian, etc. Just like the Huttaree supposedly had WMD's...a.k.a. pipe bombs. So...pipe bombs are WMD's now? We were after pipe bombs in Iraq, and not nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons?

The government is playing an association game. They use vague terminology in order to be able to define it in the broadest sense in order to create as many enemies as possible, namely U.S. citizens.

[pcosmar]

Despite the attempt to derail this thread into a discussion about the ADL, I would suggest that you read the whole article in the Original Post.
http://neithercorp.us/npress/?p=276
Inkspots is quite good at what he does.
I suspect a professional,, or a psychiatrist.

I would like for people to be aware of the direction that the hardware is going to be aiming.

eyes and ears open.

[catdd]

Inkspots is quite good at what he does.
I suspect a professional,, or a psychiatrist.

I


Many of them do seem to be trained saboteurs.

[QueenB4Liberty]

Many of them do seem to be trained saboteurs.

What are you talking about? He is a troll?