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bobbyw24
04-06-2010, 12:25 PM
Once in a while, someone writes a column that leaves me enviously exclaiming, “Darn! I wish I had written that!” Candidly, I do not often find myself saying that, but I sure did when I read William Norman Grigg’s excellent column entitled “Casus Belli” (Latin for “Case for War”) on Monday, March 29, 2010. Read his column (even if you don’t read the rest of mine) at:

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2010/03/causus-belli.html

I want to try and expound on Grigg’s outstanding analysis of the Hutaree militia raid. In doing so, I am going to also expand upon Grigg’s reference to James Madison’s trenchant treatise in Federalist 46.

Referring to the federal indictment against the Hutaree militia, that alleged members were making preparations for potential armed conflict against law enforcement officers as a “seditious conspiracy,” Grigg astutely noted, “If they were acquiring weapons and developing appropriate skills in anticipation of defending themselves against government aggression, their actions–while possibly conspiratorial in nature–don’t amount to a crime. This is particularly true in light of our cultural history, in which sedition–agitation to change the existing political order–is our proudest civic tradition.”

Grigg then rightly observes, “Government is nothing more than the rationalization and exercise of violence. Everything done by government contains at least the implicit threat of lethal coercion. Thus the indictment’s description of Hutaree as ‘an anti-government extremist organization which advocates violence against local, state and Federal law enforcement’ is a product of rhetorical onanism [from Genesis 38:9--a great analogy, Will].”

As a general rule, government is the most violent force on the planet. If one wants to get a true perspective on the historical record regarding who or what routinely produces the most violence and death, one should pick up a copy of R. J. Rummel’s book, “Death By Government.” Since the end of World War II, Communist China and Red Russia lead the pack when it comes to death and brutality; however, the US government has inflicted its share of carnage as well. For example, in Iraq and Afghanistan alone, the government in Washington, D.C., has killed over 800,000 civilians (and this figure is a conservative estimate noting the most credible resources possible).

See: http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html

Also see: http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/images/10/11/human.cost.of.war.pdf

Plus, does anyone remember the violence that our federal government enacted upon the Branch Davidians outside Waco, Texas? Does anyone remember the mother shot in the head while innocently holding her little baby in her own home by a federal sniper near Ruby Ridge, Idaho (after her small son was shot in the back by federal agents)? In fact, the list of civilians who have been killed by federal law enforcement agents over the years is a very long one. Granted, many of these killings were done in lawful self-defense; but others amounted to nothing less than old-fashioned murder (and never was the federal agent who committed the murder ever brought to justice).

If one wants to indict an “organization which advocates violence,” then surely the central government in Washington, D.C., should be indicted!

If Hutaree members were indeed planning AGGRESSIVE violence against anyone–in the government or without–they deserved to be stopped. If, however, they were simply preparing to DEFEND THEMSELVES against government overreach or abuse–and would only resort to violence in an act of lawful self-defense–they committed no crime and are but the most recent victims of federal abuse of power. This is a question that will doubtless be determined in a court of law.

To charge, however (as the indictment does), that Hutaree members (all 9 of them!) planned “to levy war against the United States, [and] to oppose by force the authority of the Government of the United States . . .” will take some doing to make stick. As Grigg points out, “If Hutaree was preparing for armed DEFENSE against criminal actions by government officials, this charge is as pointless as a broken pencil. If their efforts to ‘prevent, hinder, and delay’ various government initiatives were confined to activism, rather than armed conflict, they are–in that particular–not substantially different from hundreds or thousands of other groups.”

The entire case against Hutaree appears to be based upon the testimony of an FBI undercover agent inside the group. Placing agent provocateurs inside groups such as Hutaree is a classic strategy of federal police agencies. This part of the story was broken by the Wall Street Journal.

See the WSJ report at:

http://tinyurl.com/wsj-hutaree

Using agent provocateurs is a long-favored tactic of both the Kremlin and the White House. Joel Skousen’s latest WORLD AFFAIRS BRIEF contains an extremely trenchant and insightful analysis of how Russia and the US have used–and continue to use–this tactic.

Skousen writes, “A related tactic [to false flag operations] is the hiring of agent provocateurs to infiltrate a group targeted for destruction and induce radical elements of that group to perform crimes against innocent civilians that will justify armed retaliation or arrest. With the sudden surge in claimed terrorism in Russia and the arrest of the radical Hutaree group in the US, it is helpful to review the role of false flag terror attacks in Russia and the role of agent provocateurs in the US as we analyze what’s really going on.”

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M House
04-06-2010, 12:32 PM
I can't find anything on what sorta weapons were seized. Sucks might be useful information.

pcosmar
04-06-2010, 01:03 PM
I can't find anything on what sorta weapons were seized. Sucks might be useful information.

All legal ones.

pcosmar
04-08-2010, 09:26 PM
Hutaree leader's speech called for war on ‘New World Order’
http://www.lenconnect.com/news/x1661776348/Hutaree-leaders-speech-called-for-war-on-New-World-Order

So are they admitting to being "The New World Order".

If not, there is no case.

pcosmar
04-09-2010, 03:55 PM
http://www.lenconnect.com/news/x1661776348/Hutaree-leaders-speech-called-for-war-on-New-World-Order

So are they admitting to being "The New World Order".

If not, there is no case.

Apparently, They are.
Dan Quayle on Iraq and The New World Order
YouTube - Dan Quayle on Iraq and The New World Order (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buoR3nhAang&safe_search=on)

Perhaps the Hutaree are not all that wrong.

Sandman33
04-09-2010, 04:16 PM
Once in a while, someone writes a column that leaves me enviously exclaiming, “Darn! I wish I had written that!” Candidly, I do not often find myself saying that, but I sure did when I read William Norman Grigg’s excellent column entitled “Casus Belli” (Latin for “Case for War”) on Monday, March 29, 2010. Read his column (even if you don’t read the rest of mine) at:

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2010/03/causus-belli.html

I want to try and expound on Grigg’s outstanding analysis of the Hutaree militia raid. In doing so, I am going to also expand upon Grigg’s reference to James Madison’s trenchant treatise in Federalist 46.

Referring to the federal indictment against the Hutaree militia, that alleged members were making preparations for potential armed conflict against law enforcement officers as a “seditious conspiracy,” Grigg astutely noted, “If they were acquiring weapons and developing appropriate skills in anticipation of defending themselves against government aggression, their actions–while possibly conspiratorial in nature–don’t amount to a crime. This is particularly true in light of our cultural history, in which sedition–agitation to change the existing political order–is our proudest civic tradition.”

So apparently we're told by Bush not to "tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories" concerning government.
YouTube - Bush: "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories..." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOMKdILRM5I)

But the government not only tolerates conspiracies against the public themselves...but is now arresting for possible pre crime?

catdd
04-09-2010, 07:44 PM
You're right, come to think of it, the US gov and associates are the world's biggest conspiracy theorists.

pcosmar
04-09-2010, 08:17 PM
I would ask that everyone watch these 3 videos.
And please don't comment until you have.

YouTube - Militia Unity and Public Address part 1.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW32DheMAY0)

YouTube - Militia Unity and Public Address part 2.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlZteN84xQw)

YouTube - Militia Unity and Public Address part 3a.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOSU4_nbq8Y)

I offer no value judgment, but just ask you to think about it.
Honestly.

I may post this in it's own thread, for a wider audience.

puppetmaster
04-09-2010, 10:26 PM
nothing wrong with communication ....that's how you you get the upper hand without violence