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tnvoter
04-03-2010, 10:51 AM
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Feds-Homes-with-Chinese-apf-3307134453.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=

Homes made with Chinese Dry Wall... another fail

KCIndy
04-03-2010, 11:06 AM
Anyone else see another government "bailout" in the works?

I suggest "Dollars for Drywall."

Ugh.

Anti Federalist
04-03-2010, 11:10 AM
Cue the "free trade" mob in three...two...one...

From the article:


"The way I see it, homeowners didn't cause this. The manufacturers in China did," Nelson said. "That's why we've got to go after the Chinese government now."

Southern members of Congress have sought to make it easier to sue Chinese manufacturers and to get the Federal Emergency Management Agency to help homeowners pay for costs not covered by insurance. They also say the U.S. needs to pressure the Chinese government, which allegedly ran some of the companies that made defective drywall.

"Free trade" fail.

We are getting financially gutted, not by free trade, but by foreign government owned entities.

You cannot compete against prison labor.

Anti Federalist
04-03-2010, 11:10 AM
Anyone else see another government "bailout" in the works?

I suggest "Dollars for Drywall."

Ugh.

Somehow we'll end up paying for it, that's for sure.

:mad:

Live_Free_Or_Die
04-03-2010, 11:11 AM
The only robbing that is going on is Americans robbing Americans.

noxagol
04-03-2010, 11:25 AM
Caveat Emptor. No different than if an American company did it. Know what you are buying before you buy it. That is a big problem in this country, and the government has caused it. Everyone expects everything to work perfectly just because it sits on a store shelf.

forsmant
04-03-2010, 11:25 AM
Cue the "free trade" mob in three...two...one...

From the article:



"Free trade" fail.

We are getting financially gutted, not by free trade, but by foreign government owned entities.

You cannot compete against prison labor.

+1

forsmant
04-03-2010, 11:27 AM
Caveat Emptor. No different than if an American company did it. Know what you are buying before you buy it. That is a big problem in this country, and the government has caused it. Everyone expects everything to work perfectly just because it sits on a store shelf.

How is one supposed to know everything about a product before buying it? That would make the price of buying something way more costly by going to china and touring the drywall factory. WTF? You got to have a certain amount of faith that someone isn't going to rip you off and when some one does isn't that called fraud? Are you against fraud or is it ok because you should have found out before being defrauded that the seller was a thief.

Old Ducker
04-03-2010, 12:04 PM
Is there a testing agency for drywall? If there isn't some national association that reviews and approves products such as these, there should be.

Anti Federalist
04-03-2010, 12:07 PM
Is there a testing agency for drywall? If there isn't some national association that reviews and approves products such as these, there should be.

UL tests it for flame retardant properties I imagine.

RM918
04-03-2010, 12:07 PM
How is one supposed to know everything about a product before buying it? That would make the price of buying something way more costly by going to china and touring the drywall factory. WTF? You got to have a certain amount of faith that someone isn't going to rip you off and when some one does isn't that called fraud? Are you against fraud or is it ok because you should have found out before being defrauded that the seller was a thief.

If there is really such a demand for higher quality products, then people will pay extra for it by way of, say, certification boards. Government isn't going to fix the problem.

torchbearer
04-03-2010, 12:08 PM
If China gets a bad rep for poor products, why buy their products?
oh yeah, because we don't make anything anymore, except for over-priced government subsidized cars.

MelissaWV
04-03-2010, 12:09 PM
How is one supposed to know everything about a product before buying it? That would make the price of buying something way more costly by going to china and touring the drywall factory. WTF? You got to have a certain amount of faith that someone isn't going to rip you off and when some one does isn't that called fraud? Are you against fraud or is it ok because you should have found out before being defrauded that the seller was a thief.

+1

It doesn't have to be in China, either. How do you know anything about drywall made down the street, for that matter? Do you take the contractor's word for it? Do you actually ask your contractor (or realtor) what materials were used in the house, down to the last nail and brand of tape?

Now, once a product is known to be faulty (and calling it "Chinese drywall" is a great touch, because now any and all drywall having anything to do with China will automatically be suspect), be informed and ask about it. If you're buying an older home, or remodeling one, it makes sense to ask about lead. It's smart to look into what sort of wiring you have. Don't take it for granted upgrades and abatements were all completed satisfactorily.

All of that self-informing depends entirely on the hazard being known to begin with.

forsmant
04-03-2010, 12:19 PM
Yeah we need to discredit countries to bring back our manufacturing base. Plus the chinese are basically slave labor.

Old Ducker
04-03-2010, 12:29 PM
The failure is here: http://www.gypsum.org/allied.html This (and similar) organizations should be testing these products and disseminating the results to architects and contractors.

forsmant
04-03-2010, 12:31 PM
I dont think the chinese are a part of those associations....

Old Ducker
04-03-2010, 12:38 PM
I dont think the chinese are a part of those associations....

It doesn't matter. They should be testing and approving all gypsum products regardless of their origin.

forsmant
04-03-2010, 12:39 PM
Then how would they make money?

noxagol
04-03-2010, 04:22 PM
How is one supposed to know everything about a product before buying it? That would make the price of buying something way more costly by going to china and touring the drywall factory. WTF? You got to have a certain amount of faith that someone isn't going to rip you off and when some one does isn't that called fraud? Are you against fraud or is it ok because you should have found out before being defrauded that the seller was a thief.

And what would your solution be? And it is only fraud if you claim something to be something that it is not.

j6p
04-03-2010, 04:47 PM
Dont blame China, blame the developers, they were the ones who did the shobby work and have taken short cuts, to build the homes.

Anti Federalist
04-03-2010, 05:55 PM
And what would your solution be? And it is only fraud if you claim something to be something that it is not.

Fraud includes knowingly manufacturing and selling a defective product and passing it off as legitimate.

Anti Federalist
04-03-2010, 05:58 PM
Dont blame China, blame the developers, they were the ones who did the shobby work and have taken short cuts, to build the homes.

The developers didn't do anything wrong, their work wasn't shoddy.

The raw materials were/are defective.