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bobbyw24
04-02-2010, 12:58 PM
Sunday, April 4, 2010; B01


Like many influential causes before it, the "tea party" movement appeared on the scene uninvited by the political establishment. Democrats in the White House and in Congress recognize it for what it is -- a spontaneous and pointed response to the Obama agenda -- but some Republican leaders still aren't sure what to make of it, as tea partiers have risen on their own and stirred up trouble in GOP primaries.

Sometimes in politics it's easier to recognize foes than friends, and this may be why Democrats have been quicker to figure out the movement's potential. They know that in November's midterm elections, Republicans will gain mightily from a growing discontent with the administration, which has disappointed the independent voters who made the difference for Barack Obama in 2008.

A close look at the tea party membership will find many of those independents who went for Obama but now regret it. After sweeping into power, Democrats assumed they had redrawn the political map forever, and they took this as a mandate to remake the federal government forever. To the surprise of millions of their supporters, they plowed ahead with federal control over health care and new spending financed by a decade of trillion-dollar deficits. Along the way, they have tried to brush off the Republican congressional minority as little more than spectators to one-party rule.

But across America, millions of people decided not to be silent. Prompted only by their convictions, they united against the unjustifiable expansion of federal power. So successful is the tea party movement that there is speculation it might launch a political party. Though nearly three-quarters of tea party supporters identify themselves as Republicans, according to a recent Quinnipiac University poll, 40 percent of them are open to voting for a third-party candidate of their own.

The emergence of official Tea Party candidates would be very welcome news in the Obama White House. All at once, a powerful and energetic counterweight to the Democratic establishment would become a splinter group, destroying the unified opposition it has helped to create. A potential electoral majority on the threshold of victory would become two minority factions almost certain to share in defeat, and a movement inspired to stop the big-government agenda would suddenly become its tool.

There's a well-worn path of third-party movements in American history, and it leads straight to a dead end. A cause gathers strength, and its message speaks to millions; then, amid the excitement, a new political party is born, only to perform poorly on Election Day and disappear a cycle or two later. In practice, all that's achieved is a fragmenting of the vote, usually to the benefit of whichever major party the movement had set out to oppose.

Many remember the Reform Party of the 1990s, which formed around the candidacy of Ross Perot. I sure do, because it eliminated any chance that President George H.W. Bush and I would prevail over Bill Clinton and Al Gore in 1992. What started as a grass-roots phenomenon ended with 19 percent support at the ballot box -- and a majority of those voters would probably have gone Republican in a two-party race. Speaking on behalf of the Bush-Quayle campaign, to this day we firmly believe that Perot cost the Republican Party the White House. The 1992 election was the best showing for the movement Perot started, and whatever national influence it retained kept working to the benefit of Democrats.

According to recent polling, a similar scenario could unfold this year: Voters would slightly favor a Republican over a Democrat in a two-person congressional race in November, but the presence of a tea party candidate would split the vote on the right and hand victory to the Democratic candidate.

If real influence is the goal of the tea party movement, there's a much better example for its mostly Republican-leaning members to bear in mind, this year and beyond. In the late 1970s, the tax revolt movement that began in California quickly gained a national following and could easily have become a third party for the 1980 elections. But instead of fielding its own candidates, the movement exerted enormous influence on races across the country. In the end, rather than drawing votes away from the winning coalition, it helped elect Ronald Reagan and a Congress that promptly brought down federal tax rates for all Americans.

This might not have happened if the Republican Party hadn't shown the good sense to embrace the tax revolt, which resembled today's tea party movement.

The tea partiers are concerned, above all, with fiscal matters and national security; they are not focused on the social issues that bring together other parts of the Republican coalition. As Reagan did 30 years ago, Republican leaders between now and 2012 should reach out, as Sarah Palin has done, to an independent grass-roots movement whose energy and conviction the party badly needs. Potential presidential contenders such as Mitch Daniels, Mitt Romney, John Thune and Bobby Jindal have records of serious reform that square with the tea party agenda, and in a general election they could draw tea party votes as part of a broad and victorious coalition.

If the tea party remains an independent political force in 2012, with no partisan ties, so much the better. All that Republicans need to do is speak to its issues, compete for its votes and heed its example of a confident and unapologetic challenge to a liberal president and Congress.

read on

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/01/AR2010040102181.html?hpid=topnew

anaconda
04-02-2010, 01:14 PM
From the guy who could not spell potato.

YouTube - Dan Quayle Misspells 'Potato' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdqbi66oNuI)

anaconda
04-02-2010, 01:36 PM
Quayle is right about one thing: the GOP should have to compete for votes. But if they nominate the same old corrupt banking cartel/police state candidates then they must know that they will lose the oval office. If we hold steadfast and vote for freedom candidates then we will have real influence on the GOP by ensuring their defeat in presidential bids. I had to laugh when he mentioned the line up of "reform candidates" such as Mitt Romney and Bobby Jindal. And when he tried to pin the "national security" issue on the tea partiers (national security barely registers in the tea party, as near as I can tell..).

jkr
04-02-2010, 01:36 PM
potatoe

anaconda
04-02-2010, 01:40 PM
http://www.israellycool.com/_NewPhotos/potato%20head.jpg

Aratus
04-02-2010, 01:44 PM
perot once got 20% of the vote in a presidential election , if only a tea party candidate can do a likewise

Brian4Liberty
04-02-2010, 01:55 PM
This story was probably ghost-written by Bill Kristol, aka "Dan Quayle's Brain".


The tea partiers are concerned, above all, with fiscal matters and national security

Notice the injection of "national security" (i.e. pro-war), which is not a common thread at Tea Parties... it's interesting that Bill Kristol's other protege (puppet) has come out of the woodworks to "support" the Tea Party movement. Bill Kristol's dream: a Palin/Quayle ticket, with "Tea Party" support.

FrostyLeaf
04-02-2010, 02:02 PM
See Rosa Luxemburgs explanation of the "Mass Strike" process in regards to physical economics.

wizardwatson
04-02-2010, 02:09 PM
Sunday, April 4, 2010; B01


Like many influential causes before it, the "tea party" movement appeared on the scene uninvited by the political establishment. Democrats in the White House and in Congress recognize it for what it is -- a spontaneous and pointed response to the Obama agenda -- but some Republican leaders still aren't sure what to make of it, as tea partiers have risen on their own and stirred up trouble in GOP primaries.

FAIL

Maybe the current co-opted movement is.

Tea Party History from Wikipedia:

The libertarian theme of the "tea party" protest was previously used by Republican Congressman Ron Paul and his supporters as a fundraising event during the primaries of the 2008 presidential campaign to emphasize Paul's fiscal conservatism, which they later claimed laid the groundwork for the modern-day Tea Party movement.

Tea Party predates Chocolate Jesus. But facts never mattered much to these people.

Maybe I can let him off the hook, since he qualifies it with by saying, "Obama agenda", but unfortunately that only makes it worse for his case since the agenda that the Tea Party was originally aligned against was applicable to both of these disgusting parties.

Anti Federalist
04-02-2010, 03:00 PM
FAIL

Maybe the current co-opted movement is.

Tea Party History from Wikipedia:

The libertarian theme of the "tea party" protest was previously used by Republican Congressman Ron Paul and his supporters as a fundraising event during the primaries of the 2008 presidential campaign to emphasize Paul's fiscal conservatism, which they later claimed laid the groundwork for the modern-day Tea Party movement.

Tea Party predates Chocolate Jesus. But facts never mattered much to these people.

Maybe I can let him off the hook, since he qualifies it with by saying, "Obama agenda", but unfortunately that only makes it worse for his case since the agenda that the Tea Party was originally aligned against was applicable to both of these disgusting parties.

+1

paulitics
04-02-2010, 03:08 PM
Can someone tell me why the CIA backed Kristal loves Republican simpletons so much?

JustinTime
04-02-2010, 03:10 PM
Can someone tell me why the CIA backed Kristal loves Republican simpletons so much?

Demagoguery.

georgiaboy
04-02-2010, 03:18 PM
According to recent polling, a similar scenario could unfold this year: Voters would slightly favor a Republican over a Democrat in a two-person congressional race in November, but the presence of a tea party candidate would split the vote on the right and hand victory to the Democratic candidate.

So guess what, GOP -- you're on notice. Cause I ain't voting for big gov't establishment RINOs/DIRCs anymore.

BuddyRey
04-02-2010, 03:44 PM
Can someone tell me why the CIA backed Kristal loves Republican simpletons so much?

For the same reason the elites love the Prussian model of government schools; vacuous, compliant, and unthinking people are far easier to lead.

sevin
04-02-2010, 04:03 PM
I agree that forming a third party would probably only help Obama. The key is to vote for candidates who want to reduce spending and the size of government, whether they are Republican or Democrat. But not the so-called "reform" candidates he mentioned.

anaconda
04-02-2010, 07:55 PM
perot once got 20% of the vote in a presidential election , if only a tea party candidate can do a likewise


Perot would have got a whole lot more had he not dropped out and re-entered. Ron or Rand may be able to easily get that in 2012.

Ninja Homer
04-02-2010, 08:19 PM
I can do better than Dan Quayle with one simple sentence: "The Republican Party 'leaders' better get behind Ron Paul for President 2012 or they're fucked."

Anti Federalist
04-02-2010, 09:40 PM
I can do better than Dan Quayle with one simple sentence: "The Republican Party 'leaders' better get behind Ron Paul for President 2012 or they're fucked."

LoL

Homer FTW