Ron Paul Draws 8% in CNN 2012 Poll

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Mar 19-21 2010
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/03/25/rel5i.pdf

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney 22%
Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin 18%
Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee 17%
Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich 8%
Texas Congressman Ron Paul 8%
Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty 5%
Former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum 5%
Indiana Congressman Mike Pence 4%
Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour 1%
Someone else (vol.) 8%
None/ No one (vol.) 2%
No opinion 3%

Tied for 4th place with The Newt

[KramerDSP]

And ahead of Pawlenty.

Couple this with the 11% he got in the other recent poll, and I think it's safe to assume that 1 of every 10 likely republican primary voters in 2012 are behind RP.

Hopefully the number could rise to 15%-20% as the money bombs and debates happen (should he run), giving people the idea that he just may be able to win. Once that tipping point occurs, people will be on board rapidly. I'm trying my hardest to put out the idea to my progressive friends that both parties are one and the same and that RP represents REAL change. The key is to convince those who voted for Obama in 2008 to get Paul through the primaries, with the idea that a Paul vs. Obama showdown would be much more ideal, best or worst case, than another Big Government dyed-in-the-wool politician and the Neo-Con base of the GOP reassuming power in 2012 as a worst case scenario.

Paul vs. Obama would be what Goldwater vs. JFK was supposed to be, even if JFK is far more centrist than Obama.

[nate895]

We can take the Santorum (won't run), Pence (doubtful), and probably half the Hucksterbee's (almost certain he won't run) voters, with other half going to Palin. That'd be...

27% Palin
26% Paul
22% Romney

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Couple this with the 11% he got in the other recent poll, and I think it's safe to assume that 1 of every 10 likely republican primary voters in 2012 are behind RP.


Yeah, and people who are currently independents and democrats will end up in his column at a much greater rate than 1/10 (or whatever the republican rate is). Some of these people will participate in open primaries, and other may register republican just to be able to vote in a primary or caucus.

I think CPAC really gave him a boost. I hope that he does well at SLRC. If he wins it, he'll probably be comfortably in 4th place behind Romney, Huck, and Palin.

[KramerDSP]

We can take the Santorum (won't run), Pence (doubtful), and probably half the Hucksterbee's (almost certain he won't run) voters, with other half going to Palin. That'd be...

27% Palin
26% Paul
22% Romney

You sure about that? I keep seeing visions of Romney/Huckabee. The Willie Horton thing hurts Huckabee, but RP has the racist newsletters. Who better for Romney than Huckabee to convince the evangelicals who don't trust Mormons?

[yokna7]

Oh he tied with that vile globalist. Thanks for WTO Newt. Pig.

[Fozz]

Mitt Romney will probably not get elected......Obamacare destroyed him.

[yokna7]

You sure about that? I keep seeing visions of Romney/Huckabee. The Willie Horton thing hurts Huckabee, but RP has the racist newsletters. Who better for Romney than Huckabee to convince the evangelicals who don't trust Mormons?

Romneycare? Obamacare is Romneycare, that won't sit well with the baggers.

[rp08orbust]

Yeah, and people who are currently independents and democrats will end up in his column at a much greater rate than 1/10 (or whatever the republican rate is). Some of these people will participate in open primaries, and other may register republican just to be able to vote in a primary or caucus.

I think CPAC really gave him a boost. I hope that he does well at SRLC. If he wins it, he'll probably be comfortably in 4th place behind Romney, Huck, and Palin.

His rise in the polls is particularly encouraging given that everyone has been told that CPAC was either a fluke or the result of it being hijacked by libertarians, gays and teenagers. A follow-up victory at SRLC would explode all of those myths and reverberate much further than the CPAC victory.

Come on, folks--we need to go crazy promoting the SRLC like it's the Iowa caucus. I posted just the link http://battleofneworleans2010.com to Prison Planet and got two more patriots enlisted within an hour.

[RCA]

Paul will announce his candidacy on December 16, 2010. Mark my words.

Then let's plan a moneybomb to celebrate. Let's start the promotions now!

[nayjevin]

f u frank

YouTube - Penn and Teller Defend Ron Paul vs. Luntz and Fox News (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4)

[nate895]

You sure about that? I keep seeing visions of Romney/Huckabee. The Willie Horton thing hurts Huckabee, but RP has the racist newsletters. Who better for Romney than Huckabee to convince the evangelicals who don't trust Mormons?

We aren't talking about a VP, we are talking about actually running for Prez. Huckabee has too cushy of a job, and he is getting fat again. He won't run again.

[jmdrake]

We can take the Santorum (won't run), Pence (doubtful), and probably half the Hucksterbee's (almost certain he won't run) voters, with other half going to Palin. That'd be...

27% Palin
26% Paul
22% Romney

What makes you certain Huckabee won't run?

Anyway, we're tied with Gingrich and 2 points out from double digits. It's going to be impossible for the pundits to pretend Paul doesn't exist this time around.

[hillbilly123069]

This is only because truthers don't watch CNN anymore.

[KramerDSP]

Mitt Romney will probably not get elected......Obamacare destroyed him.

Would he continue to spend millions of his fortune knowing this? As things stand now, this is a clusterf***. Seems like a 1964 GOP Convention waiting to happen. Hopefully Ron Paul ends up doing his version of the Goldwater speech, saying "As long as we live beyond our means, we are destined to live beneath our means!".

[AuH20]

Would he continue to spend millions of his fortune knowing this? As things stand now, this is a clusterf***. Seems like a 1964 GOP Convention waiting to happen. Hopefully Ron Paul ends up doing his version of the Goldwater speech, saying "As long as we live beyond our means, we are destined to live beneath our means!".

I still don't know why no GOP candidate won't channel Goldwater or at least grab his long buried sceptre as his lost ideological heir. It's sad because the modern GOP is afraid of Goldwater and that's why they push the Reagan myth so hard. Reagan was basically an
ex-democrat with a penchant for public speaking who diluted and made Goldwater's message more palatable. It's like comparing a penny from the late 1800s to today's, in that today's pennies only have a copper coating. That was Reagan in that he succumbed to the cabinet subversion proposed by David Rockefeller.

[Cowlesy]

Does this mean I need to start saving up a $2,400 payment for Ron's candidacy? Is anyone else starting now?

[nate895]

What makes you certain Huckabee won't run?

He has a good job that pays well at Fox without much work, and he is fat again (that is what makes it go from "probably not" to "almost certainly not").

[Cowlesy]

He has a good job that pays well at Fox without much work, and he is fat again (that is what makes it go from "probably not" to "almost certainly not").

Sorry, I completely disagree. I think there is a next-to-nil chance that Huckabee DOESN'T run.

[KramerDSP]

Sorry, I completely disagree. I think there is a next-to-nil chance that Huckabee DOESN'T run.

I agree, if only to run interference. I'm certain that if Romney is nominated, Huckabee will be the VP. He's the "right"'s version of Biden.

[lx43]

Yeah look up the two scandals recently from Huckabee pardoning people who return to crime.

[Inkblots]

Let's make it happen, people!

I agree with the above posters that a lot of the people in that poll either won't run, or will drop out quickly as they're no-hopers.

Let's consider a few of the contenders, shall we?

Mitt Romney: Everybody already knows his Achilles' heel. One word: RomneyCare.

Huckabee: If the economy is still a major issue and the Tea Party movement is still a major force in 2011/12, and I have every expectation they will be, it will be exactly the wrong time for teh Huckabeez signature style of big government, progressive conservatism. He would do well to sit out this round in that case, and I think he knows this. And, as has been said: Maurice Clemmons.

Newt Gingrich: There's just no way. The man is the picture of a sleazy '90s Republican. The Christian right will never go for a serial divorcee and adulterer like him. Also, expect that global warming ad he did with NANCY PELOSI, of all people, to come back to haunt him.

That's everyone above him except Sarah Palin. And we all know that the beloved half-term governor of Alaska is a whole 'nother sack of hammers. Hopefully she sticks to what she's good at: Alaska documentary shows and endorsing Rand Paul! ;)

This could well be doable, this time around.


Come on, folks--we need to go crazy promoting the SRLC like it's the Iowa caucus. I posted just the link http://battleofneworleans2010.com to Prison Planet and got two more patriots enlisted within an hour.

I agree that we need all the support at SRLC we can get, but if we're bringing a big Alex Jones contingent, can we please make sure they're on their best behavior at all times?

[sofia]

Oh he tied with that vile globalist. Thanks for WTO Newt. Pig.

and thanks for Marxist $60 Billion Department of Education too.

As a freshman in 1977, Newt was one of just 5 Repuglicunts who supported Jimmy Carters Dept of Education. The bill setting up this socialist agency passed by only 3 votes, with many Democrats voting against it....Newt's vote was key.

[silentshout]

Sorry, all of the choices other than Paul (on this list) are just terrible.

[specsaregood]

Texas Congressman Ron Paul 8%

Tied for 4th place with The Newt

I'll take it. 8x better than the "*" he was getting in the same polls exactly 3 years ago.


He has a good job that pays well at Fox without much work, and he is fat again (that is what makes it go from "probably not" to "almost certainly not").

His presidential run was his "tryout" for the fox job. I agree, he ain't running again. He might toy with it just to get some free donations to play with, but he won't do it seriously. He'd have to give up the Fox job. Part of why I don't think Palin will run either.

[jmdrake]

He has a good job that pays well at Fox without much work, and he is fat again (that is what makes it go from "probably not" to "almost certainly not").

Well Sarah Palin has a good job at Fox that pays well without much work. She's not letting herself get fat, but that could arguably have as much to do with her marketability as it would future campaign plans.

[AJ Antimony]

Assuming the dollar doesn't collapse before 2012, I wouldn't want Ron to run again.

If the dollar tanks during his administration then unfortunately he will be blamed for it all, and that would be the nail in the coffin for free market capitalism.

Just like Obama was the best thing for Republicans, I think the dollar tanking under anyone else (esp. a Dem) would be the best thing for us.

If the dollar tanks before 2012 and the economy gets much worse, then I think RP could run as the 'savior'

[TXcarlosTX]

Paul will announce his candidacy on December 16, 2010. Mark my words.

You know what would be the gangster thing to do is for him to announce midnight nov4th and have the first money bomb on the 5th. all us crazies will love it for the V-day. press will have a field day with it. 10 million in one day!! that day will go down in history.

Remember the 5th of november!!!! Thats gangster!!!!

YouTube - Ron Paul - 5th of November (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCz-zpbhaGE)

[Billay]

I'll bet Ron Paul doesn't run but Gary Johnson does.

[Galileo Galilei]

Right now, there are 5 major contenders who are basically running now:

Palin, Paul, Huckabee, Pawlenty, and Romney.

Palin, Paul, and Huckabee are vying for a win at the SRLC starw poll. Pawlenty and Romeny are not going.

A win there by Ron will bump him in the polls. If Rand can follow that up with a win in May in the Senate primary, that will also bump Ron in the polls.

Then, the real key is a win by Rand in November in the general election, another huge bump for Ron.

Remember, the biggest obstacle for Ron is that many voters don't think he can win. But if people hear that Rand won or is winning, then they will think Ron can win. The same goes for the starw polls.

If Ron keeps doing what he is doing, I see him as a favorite to win the Iowa straw poll next August.

[specsaregood]

If the dollar tanks during his administration then unfortunately he will be blamed for it all, and that would be the nail in the coffin for free market capitalism.

Ya know, I think he would welcome the challenge. I know we like to play it down and he doesn't speak too threatenly but I got a hunch he is a "radical" and he was given the chief executive power and a collapse happened. Well that position has grown to have a lot of power of the years.......what would the nicknamed "The Champion of the Constitution” do to defend it from years of systematic unconstitional abuses.....could go radical.

[BlackTerrel]

Mar 19-21 2010
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/03/25/rel5i.pdf

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney 22%
Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin 18%
Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee 17%
Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich 8%
Texas Congressman Ron Paul 8%
Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty 5%
Former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum 5%
Indiana Congressman Mike Pence 4%
Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour 1%
Someone else (vol.) 8%
None/ No one (vol.) 2%
No opinion 3%

If I was Obama I would be very confident going up against any of the top three.

[kahless]

I figured by now the ignorant party faithful would wake up to what Romney is all about. His 22% showing is truly unbelievable considering most Republicans these days are against mandatory health care.

I could see him legitimately getting a few percentage points due to the ignorance factor. But leading with 22%?? I just do not believe people can be that stupid. More likely a rigged poll or the respondents were actually Democrats. If I were a Democrat, Mitt Romney would be my pick as the Republican nominee.

[Elle]

IMO, CPAC trumps all other polls. CNN polls mean nothing. They know who to call to get the results they want. All they have to do is look at campaign contributions from individuals and make their phone calls.

[speciallyblend]

And ahead of Pawlenty.

Couple this with the 11% he got in the other recent poll, and I think it's safe to assume that 1 of every 10 likely republican primary voters in 2012 are behind RP.

Hopefully the number could rise to 15%-20% as the money bombs and debates happen (should he run), giving people the idea that he just may be able to win. Once that tipping point occurs, people will be on board rapidly. I'm trying my hardest to put out the idea to my progressive friends that both parties are one and the same and that RP represents REAL change. The key is to convince those who voted for Obama in 2008 to get Paul through the primaries, with the idea that a Paul vs. Obama showdown would be much more ideal, best or worst case, than another Big Government dyed-in-the-wool politician and the Neo-Con base of the GOP reassuming power in 2012 as a worst case scenario.

Paul vs. Obama would be what Goldwater vs. JFK was supposed to be, even if JFK is far more centrist than Obama.

the best way to get an obama voter to vote republican is to not nominate everyone on that list above except RON PAUL 2012;) if the gop wants obama to win a 2nd term nominate anyone but RON PAUL 2012!!!! Growing Pains will be a bitch for the gop,if they do not shape up soon;)

[speciallyblend]

IMO, CPAC trumps all other polls. CNN polls mean nothing. They know who to call to get the results they want. All they have to do is look at campaign contributions from individuals and make their phone calls.

Word Up

YouTube - Korn - Word Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q-k-uN73Gk)

[qh4dotcom]

You all forgot that the economy will be an even bigger mess by 2012 which should boost RP's polling numbers.

[rp08orbust]

Srlc!!!!!!!

[nayjevin]

Right now, there are 5 major contenders who are basically running now:

Palin, Paul, Huckabee, Pawlenty, and Romney.

Palin, Paul, and Huckabee are vying for a win at the SRLC starw poll. Pawlenty and Romeny are not going.

A win there by Ron will bump him in the polls. If Rand can follow that up with a win in May in the Senate primary, that will also bump Ron in the polls.

Then, the real key is a win by Rand in November in the general election, another huge bump for Ron.

Remember, the biggest obstacle for Ron is that many voters don't think he can win. But if people hear that Rand won or is winning, then they will think Ron can win. The same goes for the starw polls.

If Ron keeps doing what he is doing, I see him as a favorite to win the Iowa straw poll next August.

I agree with most of that, but it should be stated that the Iowa Straw Poll uses Diebold vote counting machines, so expect Ron to get the lowest possible percentage 'they' can get away with claiming he actually got.

[Austin]

IMO, CPAC trumps all other polls. CNN polls mean nothing. They know who to call to get the results they want. All they have to do is look at campaign contributions from individuals and make their phone calls.

Unfortunately, you are very wrong.

[Pants]

Sara Palin recently got awarded a contract for a Reality TV show on the Discovery Channel. They are paying her a million an episode. I doubt she will run.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/25/AR2010032504097.html?hpid=news-col-blog


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I personally think its not going to matter who takes the GOP nomination.. Obama will win a 2nd term.. HOWEVER, I think will be enough Senate seats over override any Obama veto in 2012.. GOP will have probably 63 or 64 seats in the Senate by then.. Plus I think more than a couple of dems will revolt against Obama. I still think any party having more than 60 Senate seats is poison. Better off being split 50/50.. But I think Obama and the dems are walking the plank and they are jumping in the Ocean one by one.

[Galileo Galilei]

I figured by now the ignorant party faithful would wake up to what Romney is all about. His 22% showing is truly unbelievable considering most Republicans these days are against mandatory health care.

I could see him legitimately getting a few percentage points due to the ignorance factor. But leading with 22%?? I just do not believe people can be that stupid. More likely a rigged poll or the respondents were actually Democrats. If I were a Democrat, Mitt Romney would be my pick as the Republican nominee.

Romney sasy he's against mandatory health care. Unfortunately, most voters base their votes on what politicans say, rather than what they do.

[Galileo Galilei]

IMO, CPAC trumps all other polls. CNN polls mean nothing. They know who to call to get the results they want. All they have to do is look at campaign contributions from individuals and make their phone calls.

The CPAC poll is more valuable in the sense that it got Ron more publicity, more national media interviews, and more credibility among conservative voters.

But the CNN poll is a more accurate gauge at where things stand at this time.

One thing to consider is that Palin and Romney are widely believed to be running for president, while Ron Paul is not looked upon that way by most.

Your poll numbers go up if people think you are running. Ron can pick up more support if he says he's running, which would not happen until next year. It is likely if Rand wins a Senate seat, Ron does well at SRLC, people keep donating and turning out at rallies, and Ron's health remains excellent.

[Galileo Galilei]

Sara Palin recently got awarded a contract for a Reality TV show on the Discovery Channel. They are paying her a million an episode. I doubt she will run.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/25/AR2010032504097.html?hpid=news-col-blog


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I personally think its not going to matter who takes the GOP nomination.. Obama will win a 2nd term.. HOWEVER, I think will be enough Senate seats over override any Obama veto in 2012.. GOP will have probably 63 or 64 seats in the Senate by then.. Plus I think more than a couple of dems will revolt against Obama. I still think any party having more than 60 Senate seats is poison. Better off being split 50/50.. But I think Obama and the dems are walking the plank and they are jumping in the Ocean one by one.

She can take a break from that to run. If anything that makes her more likely to run.

[Pants]

The Dems HOPE Romney takes the nomination. There is enough material out there to run dozens of anti-campaign ads..

Here's one.. Romney was once Pro-Choice at one point in time.


YouTube - Mitt Romney Flip-Flop on Abortion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFMdK0TWtks)




She can take a break from that to run. If anything that makes her more likely to run.

[Galileo Galilei]

The Dems HOPE Romney takes the nomination. There is enough material out there to run dozens of anti-campaign ads..

Here's one.. Romney was once Pro-Choice at one point in time.


YouTube - Mitt Romney Flip-Flop on Abortion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFMdK0TWtks)

If Romney was once pro-choice, that helps him in the genral election.

In fact, if Ron Paul got the GOP nomination, he could easily lose the general election on the abortion issue.

My sister used to be a big Ron Paul supporter until she found out about his position on abortion. I have another friend whose wife did the same thing.

[muh_roads]

If Romney was once pro-choice, that helps him in the genral election.

In fact, if Ron Paul got the GOP noination, he could easily lose the general election on the abortion issue.

My sister used to be a big Ron Paul supporter until she found out about his position on abortion. I have another friend whose wife did the same thing.

Yep, my mom is the same way. That's why Paul avoids talking about this all the time. He knows almost all of his other issues can win over both parties to him.

[specsaregood]

Yep, my mom is the same way. That's why Paul avoids talking about this all the time. He knows almost all of his other issues can win over both parties to him.

Every major speech I've heard him give, he talks about the right to life and how it ties into his overall philosophy. That one of the few proper roles of government is to protect life. Avoid it? Hardly.

[Carole]

Ugh! Romneycare Romney got 22%?????

[Fozz]

Ugh! Romneycare Romney got 22%?????

He'll go down once people expose the connection.

[Galileo Galilei]

Every major speech I've heard him give, he talks about the right to life and how it ties into his overall philosophy. That one of the few proper roles of government is to protect life. Avoid it? Hardly.

What if the baby stops paying rent? Does the fetus have the right to free room and board?

[rp08orbust]

Bump