Jim Wallis vs. Glenn Beck

[Elle]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north825.html

Thoughts?

[Deborah K]

In this case, Beck is on the side of right.

[MRoCkEd]

Sounds like a +1 for Beck

YouTube - Glenn Beck deconstructs Marxist Rev. Jim Wallis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W9-N7xCQQ0)

[silus]

This is general politics not general religion.

And for the record, Glenn Beck is very much like Howard Stern.

[orafi]

Sounds like a +1 for Beck

YouTube - Glenn Beck deconstructs Marxist Rev. Jim Wallis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W9-N7xCQQ0)

so what's negative infiniti look like when you add +1 to it??

[Elle]

This is general politics not general religion.

And for the record, Glenn Beck is very much like Howard Stern.

Well excuse me for posting in the wrong area of the forum. Next time I will consult you before posting. :rolleyes:

[Deborah K]

Well excuse me for posting in the wrong area of the forum. Next time I will consult you before posting. :rolleyes:

Prepare yourself Elle. There are a ton of Glenn Beck haters on this site and they will not give him credit for anything.

[AuH20]

Jim Wallis should have looked before he jumped. Score another for Beck.

[Vessol]

Prepare yourself Elle. There are a ton of Glenn Beck haters on this site and they will not give him credit for anything.

I'd never imagine why. I can understand why someone might argue that back 6 months ago. But, by now, it is clear where Glenn Beck's allegiance lies. I don't see why there are so many apologetics going "oh yeah he did a lot of bad there, but he is still good!"

[Erazmus]

Prepare yourself Elle. There are a ton of Glenn Beck haters on this site and they will not give him credit for anything.

I give him credt! He cries like a champ!

http://daddytypes.com/archive/beck_greenberg_gawker_gank.jpg

[TC95]

I wonder how much you Beck lovers will still be loving Beck when he starts maligning Ron Paul if he thinks he's standing in the way of his babe, Palin's, run for the presidency. He said Ron Paul supporters are terrorists.

YouTube - CNN Glenn Beck denounce Americans and Ron Paul supporters as terrorists (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k04fjXFIG10&feature=related)

[nate895]

I actually agree with Wallis that Christians should not listen to Beck. Not necessarily because of his political views he expresses, which I might or might not agree with depending on what he covers on the show, but because Beck recently expressed the opinion that we shouldn't discuss theology and that it was time to move past that issue.

Excuse me, move past eternity and ignore the command of Christ to make all nations disciples of the Lord? I don't think so!

[Vessol]

Make all nations disciples of the Lord?

nothx.

Keep your Theocracy out of my Republic.

[payme_rick]

Yah, Beck's good at arguing with Marxists etc... for sure won that one... you give the guy time to prepare and he'll make you look like a fool... but when he purposely makes liberty candidates look like fools in favor of neocons? that makes him the scum, fraud traitor that he is...

I'll drop in on his radio show about once every two weeks now, but I haven't seen his TV show in a lonnnnnnnng time... kinda glad, used to DVR it but now I have all the space I want for Family Guy etc...

[jmdrake]

Prepare yourself Elle. There are a ton of Glenn Beck haters on this site and they will not give him credit for anything.

Well Beck's a prick for attacking Ron Paul in 2007 and Debra Medina this year. But the person responding to Elle is simply quirky about religion.

[jmdrake]

Make all nations disciples of the Lord?

nothx.

Keep your Theocracy out of my Republic.

That's a command for Christians as individuals to share what they truly think is "good news". It's not a command for Christians to try to force other people to be Christians. But Christians can and should factor their belief system into the way they engage the world (including the political world) just like everybody else does. Ron Paul's "just war theory" is rooted in his belief system. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you should factor in when people are talking about turning some other country into a "glass parking lot". God loving a cheerful giver should factor in when others are advocating limiting charitable giving in favor of more forced taxation.

The irony of all of this is Jim Wallis protege' Barack Obama publicly took the stance that he is accusing Beck of taking that faith should have no bearing on someone's politics.

YouTube - The Sermon On The Mount updated version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaNXqZGDYWc)

[tonesforjonesbones]

Beck is very good with his chalkboard and the history of progressives. I disagree with his Lincoln worship and his Israel worship and I disagree with what he did to Medina. Beck is correct on this though...the socialists had to infiltrate the evangelical because when they started practically everyone was a christian. If you want to see who else screwed up the churches...google the Schofield Bible...that guy really did a number on the churches by fooling with the Bible. Tones

[tonesforjonesbones]

Ron Paul is not going to run for president..what world are ya'll living in? He said he has NO PLANS to run for president and it thinking about retirement. geesh. TONES

[jake]

Ron Paul is not going to run for president..what world are ya'll living in? He said he has NO PLANS to run for president and it thinking about retirement. geesh. TONES

reality is no one knows until the day he officially announces either way

[jmdrake]

Ron Paul is not going to run for president..what world are ya'll living in? He said he has NO PLANS to run for president and it thinking about retirement. geesh. TONES

A) You don't know that.
B) What does that have to do with this conversation anyway? Did you just want to waste some bandwith?

[Erazmus]

B) What does that have to do with this conversation anyway?

Agreed. It really was a random statement. :D

[Deborah K]

I wonder how much you Beck lovers will still be loving Beck when he starts maligning Ron Paul if he thinks he's standing in the way of his babe, Palin's, run for the presidency. He said Ron Paul supporters are terrorists.

YouTube - CNN Glenn Beck denounce Americans and Ron Paul supporters as terrorists (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k04fjXFIG10&feature=related)

I'm not a Beck lover. I don't think he is psy-ops. I think he's a useful tool. I also think he's way off base with some things. And if you're going to post that interview, then I'm going to post this one:

YouTube - Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Part 1 12/18/2007 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pme20JHPkwk)

[Deborah K]

Well Beck's a prick for attacking Ron Paul in 2007 and Debra Medina this year. But the person responding to Elle is simply quirky about religion.

Yes he's an ignorant prick for doing that. But the person responding to Elle also said he is the same as Stern - hence my response.

[silus]

Prepare yourself Elle. There are a ton of Glenn Beck haters on this site and they will not give him credit for anything.
People hate Glenn Beck because this is a Ron Paul forum, and Glenn Beck is a man that almost completely aligns with Ron Paul's views and stresses the same ideals, yet has no problem ridiculing him when given an opportunity, especially when it matters. Glenn Beck is a man that has stated explicitly that he would have problems supporting Ron Paul simply because of the people he would be sharing his support with.

People can pretend to be anything they want, to believe anything they want. What the 2008 election did was to reveal people's true motives, their true intentions, and Glenn Beck proved to be nothing but a complete fraud. So its kind of ridiculous to jump back on this guys back after the battle is over. If you have a friend during the good times, how valuable is his friendship when he ditches you in a fight. So yea, there is a pretty damn good reason why people don't like, support or give the man any credit. No one really knows or understands what his true intentions are.

[Vessol]

It's pretty obvious to me by now that Tones is a troll, and a fairly decent one at that.

[Captain Shays]

Prepare yourself Elle. There are a ton of Glenn Beck haters on this site and they will not give him credit for anything.

Oh Come on! Why should we hate somebody who labeled us as a bunch of terrorists because we raised $4.3 million in a single day in a "money bomb" on Guy Faulks Day and then marginalized the ONLY candidate who has stood up for Constitutional principles for over 18 years in Congress and treats him as a nut bag? No way! We all love Glen Beck for that.

[Captain Shays]

People hate Glenn Beck because this is a Ron Paul forum, and Glenn Beck is a man that almost completely aligns with Ron Paul's views and stresses the same ideals, yet has no problem ridiculing him when given an opportunity, especially when it matters. Glenn Beck is a man that has stated explicitly that he would have problems supporting Ron Paul simply because of the people he would be sharing his support with.

People can pretend to be anything they want, to believe anything they want. What the 2008 election did was to reveal people's true motives, their true intentions, and Glenn Beck proved to be nothing but a complete fraud. So its kind of ridiculous to jump back on this guys back after the battle is over. If you have a friend during the good times, how valuable is his friendship when he ditches you in a fight. So yea, there is a pretty damn good reason why people don't like, support or give the man any credit. No one really knows or understands what his true intentions are.


Silus

Very well stated my friend! I also just mentioned the labeling us as terrorists during the campaign and people the rest of the country should look out for.
If you knew me and my wife and my daughter and how much we love this country and our Constitution and our freedoms then you would know that we would never do anything to hurt this country or its people who we consider our fellow countrymen. We're not terrorists Glen Beck. We never were and never will be.

We're patriots who love our country and it's really difficult to forget what he did to us and it's extremely difficult for me as a father and a husband to forgive and forget Beck calling my wife and daughter "terrorists".

[nate895]

Make all nations disciples of the Lord?

nothx.

Keep your Theocracy out of my Republic.

Your objection is duly noted, and rejected.

I submit to no authority above the Lord Jesus Christ and Scripture.

[AuH20]

Your objection is duly noted, and rejected.

I submit to no authority above the Lord Jesus Christ and Scripture.

I'd submit to Jesus if he could get us out of this mess. But he's let things get really bad. It's like the Alamo and we're waiting for reinforcements that ain't coming.

[low preference guy]

Ron Paul is not going to run for president..what world are ya'll living in? He said he has NO PLANS to run for president and it thinking about retirement. geesh. TONES

He said IT'S TOO EARLY TO THINK ABOUT IT. That's why he has no plans. Carol said that if the country is in really big trouble (even more than it is now) and needs someone with all RP's knowledge to take the helm, he might run again.

Geez, another incendiary post by TONES. She's an expert on doing that.w

[Vessol]

Your objection is duly noted, and rejected.

I submit to no authority above the Lord Jesus Christ and Scripture.

And I have no issue with that what-so-ever. However don't force your religion onto others by any means besides honest persuasion.

If you want to see what living under a Theocracy is like, live in modern day Saudia Arabia or Iran, or go back 700 years ago to Medieval Europe.

[nate895]

I'd submit to Jesus if he could get us out of this mess. But he's let things get really bad. It's like the Alamo and we're waiting for reinforcements that ain't coming.

He already has gotten us out of this mess on the Cross at Calvary. We might have to deal with the sinful world until the Parousia, but I have no doubt that before then Christianity will slowly come to dominate the Earth via peaceful conversion, waxing and waning as it marches. Then we shall see our triumphant Lord return for the final judgment of the quick and the dead.

[low preference guy]

Why do we have this religious crap talk in general politics?

[nate895]

And I have no issue with that what-so-ever. However don't force your religion onto others by any means besides honest persuasion.

If you want to see what living under a Theocracy is like, live in modern day Saudia Arabia or Iran, or go back 700 years ago to Medieval Europe.

I never said I'd use any means besides "honest persuasion," but all your examples are not Christian theocracies. There has never been a Christian theocracy. There have been Romanist theocracies, and Islamic theocracies, but never a truly Christian theocracy. You probably wouldn't like a truly Christian theocracy either, but I really don't care about personal opinion and feelings on the matter.

[AuH20]

He already has gotten us out of this mess on the Cross at Calvary. We might have to deal with the sinful world until the Parousia, but I have no doubt that before then Christianity will slowly come to dominate the Earth via peaceful conversion, waxing and waning as it marches. Then we shall see our triumphant Lord return for the final judgment of the quick and the dead.

I'm a Deist, but I honestly hope you're right.

[Vessol]

I never said I'd use any means besides "honest persuasion," but all your examples are not Christian theocracies. There has never been a Christian theocracy. There have been Romanist theocracies, and Islamic theocracies, but never a truly Christian theocracy. You probably wouldn't like a truly Christian theocracy either, but I really don't care about personal opinion and feelings on the matter.

My problem with any theocracy is that it tyranny with the backing of religion to justify it.

[AuH20]

My problem with any theocracy is that it tyranny with the backing of religion to justify it.

Yup. When you have the high priests INTERPRETING God's message according to their own private desires, you can really run off the tracks quickly as a society.

[nate895]

My problem with any theocracy is that it tyranny with the backing of religion to justify it.

That is by your own definition of "tyranny." Tyranny to the Christian is slavery to sin, which most liberals/libertarians perversely call "liberty." Liberty is the freedom from sin, which will not be achieved until the world to come.

[nate895]

I'm a Deist, but I honestly hope you're right.

Why are you a Deist? Also, what do you mean by that? A lot of people who call themselves Deists are really vague theists with no clear conception of who god is, whereas Deism has a clear conception who god is.

[tonesforjonesbones]

I guess some of you have to have someone to hate...guess it's Glenn Beck and TONES..now. I specifically saw Ron Paul on an interview say he has NO PLANS TO RUN. I specifically remember during his last campaign he said he HAD NO PLANS TO RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT..now, I kinda put two and two together. He is NOT PLANNING TO RUN means he ain't gonna. He said he was thinking about RETIREMENT. The reason I said it is because someone posted something about Beck going against Ron Paul if he gets in the way of Palin running who has ALSO said she has NO PLANS TO RUN. It seemed the person was implying that Ron Paul 's running might interfere with PALIN. So..continue your hatefest. TONES

[nate895]

I guess some of you have to have someone to hate...guess it's Glenn Beck and TONES..now. I specifically saw Ron Paul on an interview say he has NO PLANS TO RUN. I specifically remember during his last campaign he said he HAD NO PLANS TO RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT..now, I kinda put two and two together. He is NOT PLANNING TO RUN means he ain't gonna. He said he was thinking about RETIREMENT. The reason I said it is because someone posted something about Beck going against Ron Paul if he gets in the way of Palin running who has ALSO said she has NO PLANS TO RUN. It seemed the person was implying that Ron Paul 's running might interfere with PALIN. So..continue your hatefest. TONES

What are you talking about? Have you been watching what the C4L and RP have been up to lately? He's doing everything that GOP presidential candidates do in the early stages, and has never ruled out running. He's in the "I don't want to get in too early, but I need to build up momentum for the (future) campaign" phase of campaign.

[low preference guy]

I guess some of you have to have someone to hate...guess it's Glenn Beck and TONES..now. I specifically saw Ron Paul on an interview say he has NO PLANS TO RUN. I specifically remember during his last campaign he said he HAD NO PLANS TO RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT..now, I kinda put two and two together. He is NOT PLANNING TO RUN means he ain't gonna. He said he was thinking about RETIREMENT. The reason I said it is because someone posted something about Beck going against Ron Paul if he gets in the way of Palin running who has ALSO said she has NO PLANS TO RUN. It seemed the person was implying that Ron Paul 's running might interfere with PALIN. So..continue your hatefest. TONES

Tones, would you apologize to us and admit you were wrong if Ron Paul announces he is running? Don't try to delete this post, I already have a screen shot.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Of course. I would do that, I just don't believe he's going to run..he will be 78 years old. If he does I will be thrilled and I will work hard on his campaign again. Tones

[nate895]

Of course. I would do that, I just don't believe he's going to run..he will be 78 years old. If he does I will be thrilled and I will work hard on his campaign again. Tones

76, and kickin'

[cajuncocoa]

Getting back to the topic in the OP: Glenn Beck may be no fan of Ron Paul and his supporters, but that doesn't mean he's wrong about everything.

He's right about Jim Wallis.

[tonesforjonesbones]

I agree, Beck is right about alot of things...but he's been pissing me off for continuing to villify the south. He panders...and i have to turn him off when he starts praising Lincoln and MLK..the communist womanizer. tones

[AuH20]

I agree, Beck is right about alot of things...but he's been pissing me off for continuing to villify the south. He panders...and i have to turn him off when he starts praising Lincoln and MLK..the communist womanizer. tones

what I like about Beck:
- ferocious segments he runs exposing the progressive empire of deceit
- Constitutional perspective
- self-deprecating in that he's candid about learning from his mistakes
- humorous and zany
- doesn't mind taking an axe to the GOP tree

what I don't like about Beck:
- stands up for Israel far too much
- praises MLK the phony
- too rankled by 9/11 truthers

[tonesforjonesbones]

I agree with you Auh...he refuses to present any history ..correct history , about Lincoln and how that was all revisionist history..and how much Lincoln damaged our country. I got Thomas Woods "Politically Incorrect Guide to American History"...it's a fantastic eye opener! Tones

[jmdrake]

I agree, Beck is right about alot of things...but he's been pissing me off for continuing to villify the south. He panders...and i have to turn him off when he starts praising Lincoln and MLK..the communist womanizer. tones

So Beck trashing Paul, trashing Paul supporters, derailing Medina forgivable but praising Lincoln and MLK is not? Also it doesn't matter if Ron runs in 2012 (although he has not ruled it out and has said so. Everybody says this early in the game that they have "no plans" to run). Somebody will run under the Ron Paul banner in 2012 be it Chuck Baldwin or Gary Johnson or someone else. And in 2016 it may very well be Rand. And Beck will be around ready, willing and able to do what he does. I held out hope that Beck might be "coming around" prior to Medina. He was saying some good stuff. He still says some good stuff. But he's quick to stab us in the back.

[low preference guy]

^ tones also complained about what Beck did to Medina.

[pcosmar]

.the communist womanizer. tones

Observe,
The overwhelming success of COINTELPRO,,

Even after all these years since it was exposed.
:(

[catdd]

Well you know what they say about the sunshine and a dogs butt.

[silus]

I specifically saw Ron Paul on an interview say he has NO PLANS TO RUN. I specifically remember during his last campaign he said he HAD NO PLANS TO RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT..now, I kinda put two and two together. He is NOT PLANNING TO RUN means he ain't gonna.
Ron Paul is not speaking in some code that needs to be interpreted. Not having plans means he has no plans, and he does not have a definitive answer to give. Thats pretty much all you can say when the media is demanding answers that do not yet exist. The funny thing is the media normally takes the exact opposite position. That if the politician "wavers" on this type of question it means he is going to run. Assuming that he is not going to run is equally wrong.

The only truth from this is that people cannot be satisfied with uncertainty, so they will read too far into an answer or just make up evidence (as you did) just so they can satisfy themselves. And just so you know, two examples does not indicate a pattern.

[Deborah K]

Oh Come on! Why should we hate somebody who labeled us as a bunch of terrorists because we raised $4.3 million in a single day in a "money bomb" on Guy Faulks Day and then marginalized the ONLY candidate who has stood up for Constitutional principles for over 18 years in Congress and treats him as a nut bag? No way! We all love Glen Beck for that.

Like it or not, he has a huge audience and he speaks up against the "fundamental transformation of America" that is taking place right now. He is a useful tool.


People hate Glenn Beck because this is a Ron Paul forum, and Glenn Beck is a man that almost completely aligns with Ron Paul's views and stresses the same ideals, yet has no problem ridiculing him when given an opportunity, especially when it matters. Glenn Beck is a man that has stated explicitly that he would have problems supporting Ron Paul simply because of the people he would be sharing his support with.

People can pretend to be anything they want, to believe anything they want. What the 2008 election did was to reveal people's true motives, their true intentions, and Glenn Beck proved to be nothing but a complete fraud. So its kind of ridiculous to jump back on this guys back after the battle is over. If you have a friend during the good times, how valuable is his friendship when he ditches you in a fight. So yea, there is a pretty damn good reason why people don't like, support or give the man any credit. No one really knows or understands what his true intentions are.

I don't consider Beck a friend. He is a media personality who can be used to our advantage.

[silus]

Like it or not, he has a huge audience and he speaks up against the "fundamental transformation of America" that is taking place right now. He is a useful tool.

I don't consider Beck a friend. He is a media personality who can be used to our advantage.
I understand what you're trying to say, but the way I see it, he is funneling the upset masses directly AWAY from Ron Paul and his message. I think i've kept a close eye on things for the past 4 years, and over that time Glenn Beck has systematically hijacked almost every single issue Ron Paul has been railing against while at the same time showing nothing but contempt for him.

So, i'm not sure how he is used to our advantage or how we can use him as a tool when in the end he is more like a pressure release valve for the population vs. an avenue for real change.