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FrankRep
03-24-2010, 10:35 PM
The Hawaii Department of Health is overrun with requests for President Obama's birth certificate from the birther movement which questions his natural-born citizen status and constitutional eligibility to hold office. By Rebecca Terrell


Hawaii Denies Requests for Obama's Birth Certificate (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/3187-hawaii-denies-requests-for-obamas-birth-certificate)


Rebecca Terrell | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
24 March 2010


Hawaii has a message for those who question whether President Barack Obama was born there: Get off our backs! The state Department of Health (DOH) set up a special page (http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html) on its website to help handle dozens of requests it receives monthly from "birthers" trying to obtain evidence of the President's origins. And Democratic state Senator Will Espero recently introduced two bills in an attempt to stem the tide.

Senate Bill No. 2056 (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2010/bills/SB2056_.pdf) would reverse current state law by allowing more open access to birth records inspection, and Senate Bill No. 2937 (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2010/bills/SB2937_SD1_.pdf) would allow the State Health Department to ignore illegitimate requests for vital records by labeling abusers of the system as "vexatious requestors." Espero told the Honolulu Advertiser (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20100219/news01/2190362/Hawaii-gets-persistent-requests-for-Obama-birth-certificate) his reason for introducing the bills. "It's because of all the noise about the president not being born here. I believe he's born here. Most of Hawai'i believes he's born here, and it's not an issue as it is with these Mainland birthers."

The Health Department website explains that current state law "prohibits the DOH from disclosing any vital statistics records ... unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest." Release of birth certificates is limited in most cases to immediate family, legal guardians, or executors.

According to Health Department spokesman Janice Okubo, the state receives 40 to 50 requests for Obama's birth certificate each month, as reported by the Honolulu Advertiser. Okubo says that the law is necessary to protect against "identity theft and other types of concerns." She also complained that the requests place a heavy burden on DOH staff already severely strained by recent budget cuts.

Birthers maintain Obama is not eligible to be president because, they say, he was not born in the United States. They claim he was born in Mombosa, Kenya, and that his mother traveled to Hawaii shortly after his birth.

DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued a statement (http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf) in 2008 stating that both he and the Registrar of Vital Statistics "have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures." He followed up with another statement (http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf) in July, 2009, saying simply that he has "seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen."

The major media is quick to label birthers as extremists not worthy of consideration. White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs mockingly told a reporter at a press briefing in July 2009, "The noble truth is that the president was born in Hawaii, a state of the United States of America."

But that isn't good enough for birthers, who demand to see the actual document instead of the less complete Certificate of Live Birth (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/13/bobirthcertificate.jpg) issued by Obama's presidential campaign. Hawaii law (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM) allows parents of children born out of state to obtain certificates of live birth, a fact that prompts birthers to believe Obama has something to hide in not revealing the original long form birth certificate.

The topic has sparked a number of court cases. Prior to the 2008 presidential elections, Pennsylvania Democrat Philip J. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court challenging Obama's eligibility to run, but the court dismissed the case (http://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/084340p.pdf%20in%20late%202009) in 2009.

U.S. Army Sergeant Steven F. Cook, a soldier ordered to Afghanistan, sued in 2009 for a temporary restraining order on his deployment based on Obama's ineligibility to be commander-in-chief. A California judge agreed to hear the case. However, the LA Independent (http://www.laindependent.com/news/regional/64158162.html) reported that the army revoked Cook's deployment orders before the hearing date.

In response to birthers' concerns, U.S. Representative Bill Posey (R-Fla.) introduced H.R. 1503 (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h1503ih.txt.pdf), a bill to require future presidential candidates to provide documentation proving they meet Constitutional requirements for eligibility to the office of president. The bill has 11 cosponsors but in the year since its introduction still awaits a committee hearing. Regarding Obama's birth certificate, Posey told WorldNet Daily (http://campbell.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2542&Itemid=60), "The only people I know who are afraid to take drug tests are the people who use drugs."

Before his abrupt departure from CNN last November, Lou Dobbs gave the issue considerable coverage.

YouTube - Dobbs Tells Roland Martin To Pipe Down During Obama Birth Debate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvYcFgXCJrE)


SOURCE:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/3187-hawaii-denies-requests-for-obamas-birth-certificate

phill4paul
03-24-2010, 10:46 PM
Of course they do and several days late in posting.

WGF? If at this stage in the game outrage would be elicited over this?

JFC! They are mandating free health at taxpayer expense. Rewriting the limitations by the Constitution without an amendment.

Obamas legitimacy is LOL at this point.

FrankRep
03-24-2010, 11:20 PM
This is the stupidest debate ever, Obama WAS born in Hawaii, the scrutiny of getting a passport is so difficult, let alone holding a job in the Senate, and the White House.
There's an easy way to settle the debate. :)

Bruno
03-25-2010, 12:05 AM
This is the stupidest debate ever, Obama WAS born in Hawaii, the scrutiny of getting a passport is so difficult, let alone holding a job in the Senate, and the White House.

And of course, there is absolutely NO reason to doubt that he was. Who would lie to try to become president? :rolleyes:

From the AP, 2004:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

Sunday, June 27, 2004


Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.

Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.

Barrack Obama


"It’s clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race," Ryan, 44, said in a statement. "What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign – the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play."

Although Ryan disputed the allegations, saying he and his wife went to one ‘avant-garde’ club in Paris and left because they felt uncomfortable, lashed out at the media and said it was "truly outrageous" that the Chicago Tribune got a judge to unseal the records.

The Republican choice will become an instant underdog in the campaign for the seat of retiring Republican Senator Peter Fitzgerald, since Obama held a wide lead even before the scandal broke.

"I feel for him actually," Obama told a Chicago TV station. "What he’s gone through over the last three days I think is something you wouldn’t wish on anybody."

The Republican state committee must now choose a replacement for Ryan, who had won in the primaries against seven contenders. Its task is complicated by the fact that Obama holds a comfortable lead in the polls and is widely regarded as a rising Democratic star.

The chairwoman of the Illinois Republican Party, Judy Topinka, said at a news conference, after Ryan withdrew, that Republicans would probably take several weeks to settle on a new candidate.

"Obviously, this is a bad week for our party and our state," she said.

As recently as Thursday, spokesmen for the Ryan campaign still insisted that Ryan would remain in the race. Ryan had defended himself saying, "There’s no breaking of any laws. There’s no breaking of any marriage laws. There’s no breaking of the Ten Commandments anywhere."

Other articles here, from the Nigerian Press:

http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/2-more-african-news-agencies-declare-obama-kenyan-born/

Discussion of scrubbing of articles here:

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/obama-kenyan-born-june-27-2004-article-in-kenya-sunday-standard-newspaper-internet-scrubbing-ap-article-way-back-machine-internet-archives-obama-born-in-kenya-obama-not-natural-born-citizen/

fj45lvr
03-25-2010, 12:19 AM
I read somewhere that the hawaii "certificate of live birth" is not valid enough I.D. to receive some things from the State of Hawaii itself (that isn't a ringing endorsement that a certificate of live birth amounts to anything "official")

dwdollar
03-25-2010, 02:48 AM
This is the stupidest debate ever, Obama WAS born in Hawaii, the scrutiny of getting a passport is so difficult, let alone holding a job in the Senate, and the White House.

:eek:

21st Century Republican
03-25-2010, 03:14 AM
I was watching that video and Roland Martin goes off like somebody insulted his mother. Man, how defensive he got is amazing to me.

Did, or didn't Obama show his true birth certificate?

What's the deal with the true birth certificate?

FrankRep
03-25-2010, 06:43 AM
Hawaii law (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM) allows parents of children born out of state to obtain certificates of live birth, a fact that prompts birthers to believe Obama has something to hide in not revealing the original long form birth certificate.


Hawaii Government Website:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM



[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]

itshappening
03-25-2010, 06:51 AM
I really think it looks like he wasn't born on US soil but got there and then obtained that certificate. His past is shady and secretive for a president

silus
03-25-2010, 07:05 AM
This debate is ridiculous. We are questioning the legitimacy of our entire economic, social and foreign policy here. Way to dilute the cause.

tmosley
03-25-2010, 07:08 AM
OH NOES, Gubernment wurkers have to deal with DOZENS of requests per month! Rather thans streamlining the process, they simply block requests. Your tax dollars at work.

FrankRep
03-25-2010, 07:17 AM
This debate is ridiculous.

Hawaii law (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM) allows parents of children born out of state to obtain certificates of live birth, a fact that prompts birthers to believe Obama has something to hide in not revealing the original long form birth certificate.


Hawaii Government Website:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM

torchbearer
03-25-2010, 07:29 AM
There's an easy way to settle the debate. :)

this is the easiest debate of all debates to settle.
what the fuck are they hiding?

Peace&Freedom
03-25-2010, 07:38 AM
Considering how long and how well most of Barry's vital records have been protected from public access or scrutiny, even before he got into the White House, it's fair to surmise that he got help from a government agency (CIA? FBI?) to seal or even invent his info.

FrankRep
03-25-2010, 07:40 AM
this is the easiest debate of all debates to settle.
what the fuck are they hiding?
I'm not a birther at all, but I would like the debate settled.

I like this quote:

Posey told WorldNet Daily (http://campbell.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2542&Itemid=60), "The only people I know who are afraid to take drug tests are the people who use drugs."

silus
03-25-2010, 07:42 AM
Hawaii law (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM) allows parents of children born out of state to obtain certificates of live birth, a fact that prompts birthers to believe Obama has something to hide in not revealing the original long form birth certificate.


Hawaii Government Website:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM
Ok, sure this matters, but at this point you are seriously wasting your time after 2 years of campaigning and over one year in his presidency.

We are questioning the legitimacy of our entire economic, social and foreign policy here. There are issues that can gain traction in the mainstream population, and they are continuously repeated by RP every day. This is not one of them.

Bruno
03-25-2010, 07:45 AM
This debate is ridiculous. We are questioning the legitimacy of our entire economic, social and foreign policy here. Way to dilute the cause.

Following the U.S. Constitution = diluting the cause to you? :confused: :eek: :p

silus
03-25-2010, 07:56 AM
Following the U.S. Constitution = diluting the cause to you? :confused: :eek: :p
Is it me or has the intelligence dropped off on this board.

Focusing on specific issues inherently means you will be neglecting others to a degree, and this is what is necessary in working towards and accomplishing any task. This is the way of a world with limited resources. And this is why Ron Paul himself, in every interview, focuses on a limited set of issues. If he added this issue and others he would be diluting his message. That has fuck all to do with whether or not he follows the constitution.

Peace&Freedom
03-25-2010, 08:00 AM
Is it me or has the intelligence dropped off on this board.

It's you.

silus
03-25-2010, 08:05 AM
It's you.
So you're dumb enough to subscribe to his argument? I guess it really is me then.

Bruno
03-25-2010, 08:14 AM
Is it me or has the intelligence dropped off on this board.

Focusing on specific issues inherently means you will be neglecting others to a degree, and this is what is necessary in working towards and accomplishing any task. This is the way of a world with limited resources. And this is why Ron Paul himself, in every interview, focuses on a limited set of issues. If he added this issue and others he would be diluting his message. That has fuck all to do with whether or not he follows the constitution.

Well, that's good, then, you can rest easy because I focus 0% of my energy on this issue outside of RPH, and probably the same amount on RPF commenting on it as you do disputing it.

And if some people have their apathy cured, who are you to say where they should focus their efforts? You're free to voice your opinion, as others are free to do with their time as they please, whether their pet issue is yours or not.

edit : I guess the same could have been said for those who want to End the Fed. "That'll never happen, quit wasting your time." and look where we are now with it.

silus
03-25-2010, 08:15 AM
lol

Well i'm glad thats settled.

HOLLYWOOD
03-25-2010, 08:25 AM
this is the easiest debate of all debates to settle.
what the fuck are they hiding?

Especially when the state of Hawaii uses this lame excuse:
Okubo says that the law is necessary to protect against "identity theft"... Are you kidding me, is that the best excuse that Hawaii can justify?

Juan McCain
03-25-2010, 08:28 AM
I really think it looks like he wasn't born on US soil . . .

I have always just thought this was always about people who do not understand that natural born citizen means native-born on U.S. soil.

Wouldn't Kenya have a birth certificate if BO was born there ?


Posey told WorldNet Daily, "The only people I know who are afraid to take drug tests are the people who use drugs."

This isn't true at all.

Slutter McGee
03-25-2010, 08:45 AM
I suspect that he was born in Hawaii. I think it is good political strategy to keep his birth certificate covered up though. If he reveals it, all of a sudden the birthers go away, but as they are now, most do not create positive press. It gives the media the ability to demonize a large segment of the Republican party into the same area as truthers.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

HOLLYWOOD
03-25-2010, 08:50 AM
I have always just thought this was always about people who do not understand that natural born citizen means native-born on U.S. soil.

Wouldn't Kenya have a birth certificate if BO was born there ?



This isn't true at all.


The government of Keyna has sealed all records related to Obama and his family. Seal meaning, NOONE has access to any documents.

Bruno
03-25-2010, 08:53 AM
I suspect that he was born in Hawaii. I think it is good political strategy to keep his birth certificate covered up though. If he reveals it, all of a sudden the birthers go away, but as they are now, most do not create positive press. It gives the media the ability to demonize a large segment of the Republican party into the same area as truthers.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

I think that was more of a political strategy that had to be made up to counter the argument by name calling because the issue wouldn't go away. The press and the adminstration in no way wanted to address this early in the campaign, or at any time, really.

Peace&Freedom
03-25-2010, 08:57 AM
So you're dumb enough to subscribe to his argument? I guess it really is me then.

What it really is, is a matter of consistency. Constitutional issues matter, period. Not "your constitutional issues are stupid, only my constitutional issues count, so shut up about it." If we had pressed the matter of Barry's records as a unified front from the start, the constitutionally ineligible president wouldn't be in office doing the patently unconstitutional things we're complaining about.

silus
03-25-2010, 09:01 AM
And if some people have their apathy cured, who are you to say where they should focus their efforts? You're free to voice your opinion, as others are free to do with their time as they please, whether their pet issue is yours or not.

edit : I guess the same could have been said for those who want to End the Fed. "That'll never happen, quit wasting your time." and look where we are now with it.
1. I'm not trying to say where a given people should focus their efforts, i'm trying to say a specific place (Ronpaulforums.com) should keep its message centered on the message of the man himself.

2. The Fed is a main issue for RP, this is not. And you're right, look how far we have gotten by just following his lead...

Bruno
03-25-2010, 09:09 AM
1. I'm not trying to say where a given people should focus their efforts, i'm trying to say a specific place (Ronpaulforums.com) should keep its message centered on the message of the man himself.

2. The Fed is a main issue for RP, this is not. And you're right, look how far we have gotten by just following his lead...

I think we can agree that focusing our energy on adhering to the Constution is appropriate, regardless of whether Ron endorses the idea of questioning Obama's legitimacy as a president or not.

If we followed # 1 above to the letter, there'd be no reason for 90% of the threads in Hot Topics, including the Official Guy's Thread. :eek: :D